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Old 12-21-2010, 03:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is a big problem that we have with our roster right now. There`s no clear cut second option and you can`t honestly say who`s the better offensive option between any of our sg`s pg`s or sf`s. Problem is guys like Kleiza Weems Barbosa think they`re the second option and think they have the green light to chuck away. I think we should use Derozan as our second option cause he takes good shots, he can get to the rim and he`s the best guy on our team at getting to the free throw line. It`s a rebuilding year and we should be using it for the development of young players.
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I'd contend that there's no first option - Bargs being a fairly competent 2nd option.

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Old 12-21-2010, 04:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Whomever has the hot hand is the first option.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Bargs is the first, Barbosa is the second. The best we can do. Bayless or Kleiza should be next available when Barbosa is out. So sad when you think about it. :facepalm:
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:44 AM   #5 (permalink)
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We clearly don't have a starting line-up of 5 guys. Bargs and Caldy are the only legit starters on the team ... even Caldy is questionble at times.

On a championship team, even Bargs could be a 6th man.

No purpose in talking about 2nd options, when we really have no starters. Our second unit on a given day is as good as the starters (other than Bargs).
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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We clearly don't have a starting line-up of 5 guys. Bargs and Caldy are the only legit starters on the team ... even Caldy is questionble at times.

On a championship team, even Bargs could be a 6th man.

No purpose in talking about 2nd options, when we really have no starters. Our second unit on a given day is as good as the starters (other than Bargs).

6th man?? Bargnani is one of the most versatile scorers in the league? how many people can you name that shoots 3's, drives, post up and has a mid range game? he may not be the best at all those compared to the people who can only do one of each, but he's still up there. i don't care if he doesn't dunk all the time, he gets close enough to lay it up or do his lil hook or shot. you know what this all means? he spreads the defence. i will admit, Bosh is a great player, but i'm sure he was so much better last year cuz Bargnani helped unclog the paint for him.
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Derozan as a 2nd option?
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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What this team has done so well this year is ride the hot hand. Bargnani is without question the first option on this team, but Jose is very capable of playing the role of a point guard and getting guys the ball where they can be successful. Jose's playmaking is the second option. DD can grow into being a top 3 option here, but he needs to find some fire. Kleiza and Barbosa are both guys that can explode for big games, but also should be consistent scorers too. Bayless can make things happen too.
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I agree with Shittytrader.
BArgs would be a first option on many teams in the league. Even if he was on the lakers or the celtics. Your telling me either of those teams would put him on the bench.
Bargs > Bynum
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I agree with Shittytrader.
BArgs would be a first option on many teams in the league. Even if he was on the lakers or the celtics. Your telling me either of those teams would put him on the bench.
Bargs > Bynum
If Bynum could stay healthy, he'd be a beast. It's too bad we couldn't get him for Bosh... he'd be great beside Bargnani... again, if he could stay healthy.
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Old 12-21-2010, 12:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Bargnani is the second best scoring centre in the NBA - only behind Dwight. Granted his defense is crap but he would be starting on most teams.

As far as options are concerned this team runs through Bargnani as option 1. After that they have to ride the hot hand because no one is consistent on the offensive end. I think Kleiza can step up his scoring load consistently, like he has of late. But for some reason Triano doesn't run many plays for Kleiza - playing internationally he was coming off curl screens and receiving the ball around the high post. This allows him to attack the basket with no more than two dribbles rather than from 3point area, or take a midrange J. I don't know why Triano doesn't incorporate this into the Raps offense considering how successful Kleiza was with it in Europe.
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Old 12-21-2010, 12:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I agree with Shittytrader.
BArgs would be a first option on many teams in the league. Even if he was on the lakers or the celtics. Your telling me either of those teams would put him on the bench.
Bargs > Bynum
How the f would Bargs be a first option on the lakers and celtics? Your telling me they would go to Bargs instead of kobe and pierce? You wouldn't give the ball to garnett or gasol instead of bargs? Your telling me that Bargs would start over KG or perkins? or Gasol and Bynum? :facepalm:
Stats can be deciving it is funny how you guys are forgetting that after Bosh left.

LMFAO to the Bargs and bynum comparison.

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How the f would Bargs be a first option on the lakers and celtics? Your telling me they would go to Bargs instead of kobe and pierce? Hell I would rather give the ball to garnett. Your telling me that Bargs would start over KG or perkins? or Gasol and Bynum? :facepalm:
Stats can be deciving it is funny how you guys are forgetting that after Bosh left.

LMFAO to the Bargs and bynum comparison.
I was refering to him being a starter on those two teams, not first option.
Bargs is the second in the league in scoring for a centre. Where is bynum on this? Granted two different teams and team dynamics. But i still stick by my guns on Barney being better than Bynum.
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I was refering to him being a starter on those two teams, not first option.
Bargs is the second in the league in scoring for a centre. Where is bynum on this? Granted two different teams and team dynamics. But i still stick by my guns on Barney being better than Bynum.
But Bargs won't be a starter on any of those teams. Bynum is the lakers defensive anchor. Without him they would have not won against the celtics last year. On the celtics, no way is he starting over garnett or perkins.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Bargnani is easily first option on the raps. 2nd option should be derozen right now but isn't at this point. Give him some time. Ultimately he should be first option with Bargs being a second option but unless he improves his jumper significantly, it'll be tough for him to take over that number 1 option role. As of right now though, Bargs is the first option AND the second option until someone can prove to be a consistent enough scorer.

Bargnani > Bynum based on individual game but Bynum >>>>> Bargnani in a team game, and since NBA isn't a one on one game, I would have a healthy Bynum over a healthy Bargnani 10 times out of 10
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Bargnani is easily first option on the raps. 2nd option should be derozen right now but isn't at this point. Give him some time. Ultimately he should be first option with Bargs being a second option but unless he improves his jumper significantly, it'll be tough for him to take over that number 1 option role. As of right now though, Bargs is the first option AND the second option until someone can prove to be a consistent enough scorer.

Bargnani > Bynum based on individual game but Bynum >>>>> Bargnani in a team game, and since NBA isn't a one on one game, I would have a healthy Bynum over a healthy Bargnani 10 times out of 10
Exactly, Bargs may be more skilled but basketball is a team game and that is more important. It's the same thing with Melo and lebron. Melo has such a skilled and polished game then lebron but everyone would still take lebron over melo.
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Bargnani is easily first option on the raps. 2nd option should be derozen right now but isn't at this point. Give him some time. Ultimately he should be first option with Bargs being a second option but unless he improves his jumper significantly, it'll be tough for him to take over that number 1 option role. As of right now though, Bargs is the first option AND the second option until someone can prove to be a consistent enough scorer.

Bargnani > Bynum based on individual game but Bynum >>>>> Bargnani in a team game, and since NBA isn't a one on one game, I would have a healthy Bynum over a healthy Bargnani 10 times out of 10
a healthy Bynum? I'm not even sure what that is..... lol

I definitely think Bynum has a much higher ceiling than Bargnani, and I think that ceiling is on Dwight's level and Dwight alone as far as C's. But Bynum isn't always healthy... and if the Lakers didn't have such great depth, Bynum would be considered a huge bust thus far. Swap AB for Bynum on the LAL and they still go to the finals. It's not like Boston wasn't leading that 7th game and couldn't have won it, and it wasn't just Bynum that anchored that comeback.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Options:

Starters:

1. Bargs
2. Kleiza
3. Calderon
4. Derozan
5. Amir

Bench:

1. Barbosa
2. Bayless
3. Weems
4. Davis
5. Wright
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Kleiza has to decent game and now is our second option? :facepalm:

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