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Old 04-09-2012, 05:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well as we miss the playoffs for another season things don't look as bad going into the 2012 - 2013 season.
We have a great leader in Coach Casey and with his detail in his defencive systems we should get better next season. So now who will be our starting 5.

1.PG. Jose Calderon comes back as our PG.Calderon argubly is our MVP for the 2011 - 2012 season. The Raptors General having his best year is among the top tier pg's in the NBA.The team will need a veteran presence and Jose one of the seniors on the team can be the aging bottle of wine that will get so much better over time.

2.SG. DeMar DeRozan comes back as our SG. Another off season to work on his game and DD will be starting to hit his stride come the 2012 - 2013. DD has shown some flashes on what he is capable of doing like his addition of the 3 pt shot. Maturity will become a strength and the feel of the game will make him a better passer making players around him better.Another off season of work on his inside and outside game and next season the timer will come on and dinner will be cooked and ready to serve. His so called lack of defence will be taken care from Coach Casey. DD brings the attitude and the d should be a non issue.

3. SF. This spot is available and it will be filled through a free agent/trade or the draft.Look for the Raptors to make a trade to move up in the draft or just a stright up trade with JJ or AJ or Davis involved.One of these 3 players will not be back next year.

4. Andrea B. Starting to come into his own. Andrea will have the off season to bounce back from injury. The short season and its multiple games on back to back nights was a down fall for this guy. Andrea will be back and will have his best overall season.Don't be surprised to see Andrea to make the all star team next season.

5. C. This spot is available and it will be filled through a free agent/trade or the draft.To get to the next level this is the spot where the Raptors will have to spend heavy duty quality time on getting the right person . This will be the spot that takes us to the promised land. Playoffs and this position will go hand in hand.Yes we will have Jonas Valanciunas next year but I see him as 4/5 guy. We need that big athletic monster in the middle that can grab those boards, block those shots, and knock some heads off. Jonas, Andrea, Amir,Davis, Grey,... alot of players and not enough spots and minutes. Jonas and Andrea are keepers and Gray coming off the bench at a good price will be there. That leaves Amir and Davis.Expect one of these guys to be in some sort of deal.

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Old 04-09-2012, 05:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thats all fine.

I just have no idea what the hell this team will look like by next november.

I'd argue, drastically different.
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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we need starters in our starting five. arguably two players on our rosters would be starters on any run of the mill playoff team in the league. unless we severely upgrade the small forward spot and val is a huge success, you're going calling for another tank next season. one of bargs, demar or Calderon need to step it up, or find themselves playing either a different position, team , or role next year.
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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AD? I'm assuming you mean amir johnson?
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Jose - I love the guy but let's face it, he is the ideal back-up PG. There is only one player on this roster that can penetrate opposing teams D and that is Bayless, but he probably won't be back next year to save $, even though he is at least a wash, if not better than Jose when starting, is much better starting than coming off the bench, but since he's not a 8+ apg guy he is garbage.

DD - I think he's a good guy but he still has so much to improve it's not even funny, JJ is a better player than him. Forbes is a 10-20 mins/game guy off the bench.

SF - we have a solid player in JJ - but is he starter material? LKZ will maintain his role off the bench.

Bargs is great but we are putting a little too much into 1 good month of basketball (January). ED - has stagnated. Amir shouldn't have put on the weight he put on trying to be a C.

JonasV - there is too much pressure on this guy as he doesn't have a lot of talent around him. Alabi - wouldn't be surprised to see him not return next season.

Also, even though he has had his issues, BC should've gotten Terrence Williams once he was waived by Houston. This team really needs talent.

I think too much faith is being put into 2 unknown rookies and 3 below average defenders.

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Old 04-09-2012, 06:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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PG- FA/Trade (i predict if we go through FA: Dragic, Nash or Brooks)
SG- Derozan
SF- FA or Trade or Draft pick
PF-Bargnani
C- Joval or a FA Veteran

Bench- Bayless or Jose, JJ, Draft pick, Amir, Forbes, Joval?, Kleiza, Gray?, FA.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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PG: Likely Jose starting, though there will likely be a new backup... maybe Dragic.
SG: Likely Demar starting with Beal pushing him
SF: Likely Johnson or Kleiza starting
PF: Bargnani
C: Likely Gray starting with JV taking the job by season's end.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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PG: Likely Jose starting, though there will likely be a new backup... maybe Dragic.
SG: Likely Demar starting with Beal pushing him
SF: Likely Johnson or Kleiza starting
PF: Bargnani
C: Likely Gray starting with JV taking the job by season's end.
If Dragic is here he should be starting imo. He's younger, ready to be a full time starter imo, is better defensively and is a much better up tempo PG than Jose. Besides, Dragic will likely take 6Mil or so to get and i wouldn't want 16-17Mil of our cap at the PG position. If anything you give Bayless 4Mil to be the backup and trade Jose + ??? for a SF.


If that lineup you put up is our starting lineup we're fucked next season again. Tank nation will live on. lol
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If Dragic is here he should be starting imo. He's younger, ready to be a full time starter imo and is better defensively and is a much better up tempo PG than Jose. Besides, Dragic will likely take 6Mil or so to get and i wouldn't want 16-17Mil of our cap at the PG position. If anything you give Bayless 4Mil to be the backup and trade Jose + ??? for a SF.


If that lineup you put up is our starting lineup we're fucked next season again. Tank nation will live on. lol
I believe that will be very close to our lineup.... unless, as you suggest, Jose is traded.... perhaps in a deal that returns Tyreke!!!
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I believe that will be very close to our lineup.... unless, as you suggest, Jose is traded.... perhaps in a deal that returns Tyreke!!!
I seriously see pretty substantial changes in the starting lineup next season, pushing some of the starters that we currently have to the bench where they probably should be or traded. I think the pg, sf, and c spots are up in the air. I think the depth is good on this team if you only upgrade 2-3 spots in the starting rotation.
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Think bigger! Your big ego GM is coming out of 2 years of humiliation.

Guys have been evaluated, there is money to spend, and it's not true that we have no assets.

Really think they are looking to shuffle the deck to exchange 7 out of 10 skill level players for 7.5 out of 10 skill level players? Some minor tinkering and finishing 20th in the league next year instead of 25th? I don't think so.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't really like any of the starters on this team, none are great in any way.

Jose is injury prone and a terrible defender. Really slow PG that wastes wayy to much time each possesion dribbling around. He has his games where hes good but its not like hes any sort of elite PG or close to it.

DD is also a bad defender, not as bad as Jose but still nothing special. Can't create anything for himself, not a great jumper but seemed to improve it a bit. He's been more consistant towards the end of this year, but like last year can't seem to do it for a whole season.

JJ I like but still would be a better guy off the bench to lock people down and score a few points, does a bit of everything.

Bargs can score and do absolutely nothing else. Also seems to be made of that pasta he loves and injured most of the year, thats not incouraging at all...

We don't have a real C so I won't even comment there.


As far as what I'd like to see... well it's hard to say.

For PG I'd like to see Dragic, like a lot of others would as well. Played really well this year and proved he's ready to be a starter. Also if we could assemble some sort of winner we could go after Nash, he instantly makes everyone better.

For SG I'd say throw DD back in there, he's still got potential, if not draft Beal if you can get him and let Beal and DD battle for it (I think Beal would win)

For SF I really don't know, if we can't make some form of upgrade via trade then throw JJ back in as a starter, he's not so bad.

For PF I don't wanna see Bargs anymore, I'm really tired of waiting for him to do something, he had flashes this year, big woop. Still not a good defender, or rebounder, and a few weeks of this season isn't going to change my thinking on that.

C either some form of FA or JV (if Bargs gets moved you can play JV at PF as well so thats why I leave it open.
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i still think we shouldn't necessarily lock the SF position up as empty, i think we see what we can get at either the SG or SF positions and demar can play in either position that we can't fill
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I'd like to see:

Nash or Dragic, Jose
Derozan, CJ Miles
Trade/Draft, Johnson,
Bargs, Johnson
Val, Gray

Id look to package Davis if he's not going to be given a chance to play consistantly which looks to be the case, and I'd even look to explore trades for Derozan too if we have a shot at getting Eric Gordon possibly in free agency. I'd throw a lot of money at him. Gordon, our draft pick, Bargs and Val would be a great core to build around.

Theres a lot of different ways the lineup could go though depending on the draft. So this thread is actually a lot better suited to be posted after the draft, because if we do end up getting Davis I'd then look to trade Bargnani.

But ideally, I'd like to make some sort of splash in free agency, with one of Gordon Dragic or Nash. But ideally I'd love to get Gordon.
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PG Calderon/Nash/Dragic
SG Derozan
SF JJ/Draft pick
PF Bargnani
C JoVal

If we do end up drafting AD do we have to assume one of AB, Amir or Ed Davis are gone? I mean isn't Anthony Davis a defender? If you trade Bargnani you lose quite a bit of your scoring, so I would rather package a guy like Ed or Amir, but you never know.

Just curious as to how that would play out with so many bigs
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i just hope Big V doesn't play like a big v when he gets over here
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Calderon/Tony Wroten
Beal
Ersan Ilyasova or Batum
Bargs
JV

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Calderon/Tony Wroten
Mayo or Gordon
MKG
Bargs
JV

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PG Calderon/Nash/Dragic
SG Derozan
SF JJ/Draft pick
PF Bargnani
C JoVal

If we do end up drafting AD do we have to assume one of AB, Amir or Ed Davis are gone? I mean isn't Anthony Davis a defender? If you trade Bargnani you lose quite a bit of your scoring, so I would rather package a guy like Ed or Amir, but you never know.

Just curious as to how that would play out with so many bigs
Don't worry, there's no chance of drafting AD.
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PG Calderon/Nash/Dragic
SG Derozan
SF JJ/Draft pick
PF Bargnani
C JoVal

If we do end up drafting AD do we have to assume one of AB, Amir or Ed Davis are gone? I mean isn't Anthony Davis a defender? If you trade Bargnani you lose quite a bit of your scoring, so I would rather package a guy like Ed or Amir, but you never know.

Just curious as to how that would play out with so many bigs

Calderon starting over Nash & Dragic?

And if Bargnani was dealt it would probably be for another scorer at another position, probably a SF.

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Play JV at PF??? He is a true C not a pf material at all.
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