2010-11 RF Player Report Card - Andrea Bargnani - Page 4

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Old 07-15-2011, 08:06 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Bargnani's effort deserves F... all. In the words of Derick Fisher "It's a non-starter."
I wanna say something else cause I see people repeat old mantras:
He DID NOT camp out at 3pt line as much last season. And that's the problem. 3pt shot used to be his strongest weapon, causing most match up problems. But last season they worked to broaden his game, forcing him nearer the rim. It doesn't matter how much AB evolves as a post player, he will never cause the same problems from the low block. And after all the talk of playing down low for Italy and amazing progress towards the complete game, we could witness Tayshaun Prince defending Bargnani in the post without any difficulties what so ever! I would encourage AB to develop his only strength, so he can excel at something, rather than trying to become all-around below average player.
Nothing to say about Bargnani's D.

So he was asked to play closer to the rim and his rebounding numbers went down. Lol
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Old 07-15-2011, 01:26 PM   #62 (permalink)
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So he was asked to play closer to the rim and his rebounding numbers went down. Lol
actually, he was asked to defend the perimeter more too.... c'mon man.
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Old 07-15-2011, 01:32 PM   #63 (permalink)
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actually, he was asked to defend the perimeter more too.... c'mon man.
So play closer to the rim on offense and away from it at the other end.

How did that workout?

Triano is so batshit.
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Old 07-15-2011, 01:42 PM   #64 (permalink)
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So play closer to the rim on offense and away from it at the other end.

How did that workout?

Triano is so batshit.
I agree that Triano didn't provide this team with enough defensive coaching, or the appropriate kind, though Bargnani's length on the perimeter was more effective than our soft guards..... hopefully Casey gets this team to toughen up, lay some body, actually play like they're protecting something of value.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:18 PM   #65 (permalink)
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This is fairly relevant:

NBA Mythbusters: Is Andrea Bargnani A Terrible Defender? | NBA Playbook
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:31 PM   #66 (permalink)
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NBA Mythbusters: Is Andrea Bargnani A Terrible Defender? | NBA Playbook
pretty poorly written article that's arguing semantics more than anything.
and he doesn't point out anything that the educated Raptors fans don't already know (ie. good one on one defender, poor help d and rebounding)

also doesn't address his lack of effort and unwillingness to improve those areas of his game
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:21 PM   #67 (permalink)
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pretty poorly written article that's arguing semantics more than anything.
and he doesn't point out anything that the educated Raptors fans don't already know (ie. good one on one defender, poor help d and rebounding)

also doesn't address his lack of effort and unwillingness to improve those areas of his game
Partly Bargs' issue yes but IMO it was lack of coaching direction as well - something again we all know as educated fans. If it was me and was asked to play a position without much defensive coaching I would be disenchanted too (and again he's going to move back to the PF). Regardless though, there are no excuses. The coach is in place and a new system will be in place. If Bargs can't commit this year on the defensive end then I would join the many others that would want to see a trade.
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Partly Bargs' issue yes but IMO it was lack of coaching direction as well - something again we all know as educated fans. If it was me and was asked to play a position without much defensive coaching I would be disenchanted too (and again he's going to move back to the PF). Regardless though, there are no excuses. The coach is in place and a new system will be in place. If Bargs can't commit this year on the defensive end then I would join the many others that would want to see a trade.
Bargnani has been in the league 5 years. He's not a rookie or a soph. If he still needs coaching direction after 5 years, then maybe he's just really really dense. How do you not "get it" after 5 years? From the same draft class, I don't see Aldridge averaging less rebounds than 6'4" PG Jason Kidd like Bargnani somehow managed to accomplish.

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Old 07-16-2011, 12:37 PM   #69 (permalink)
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This is ridiculous! There are many more clips with attackers making those shots over Bargnani. Anyone can happen to be defending a missed shot, this is SO weak.
I'd like to see Bogut vs amazing 1on1 defender Bargnani, please! 5-6 in the row, ha ha..
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:02 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Bargnani has been in the league 5 years. He's not a rookie or a soph. If he still needs coaching direction after 5 years, then maybe he's just really really dense. How do you not "get it" after 5 years? From the same draft class, I don't see Aldridge averaging less rebounds than 6'4" PG Jason Kidd like Bargnani somehow managed to accomplish.
Thats the point though, how does one 'get it' when you never had the right coaching or even consistent position. Regardless, Bargs will be here.
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so the guy has gone from the point of needing to just make mistakes without worrying about getting yanked off the floor, to being left without any kind direction his entire time here? How does he keep getting excused for inexcusable play, going from one extreme to another? He is what he is. We need to take it or leave it. At this point he's likely to be here a while longer, because nobody else is going to take it. But that doesn't mean we have to pretend that he's something that he's never been allowed to be before, or that we spent 5 years watching this team sabotage their own number one pick and now we can expect something quite different, even though the same guy is still in charge.
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so the guy has gone from the point of needing to just make mistakes without worrying about getting yanked off the floor, to being left without any kind direction his entire time here? How does he keep getting excused for inexcusable play, going from one extreme to another? He is what he is. We need to take it or leave it. At this point he's likely to be here a while longer, because nobody else is going to take it. But that doesn't mean we have to pretend that he's something that he's never been allowed to be before, or that we spent 5 years watching this team sabotage their own number one pick and now we can expect something quite different, even though the same guy is still in charge.
12 guys on this team have been excused for inexcusable play. It's not as bad as you're making it.
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12 guys on this team have been excused for inexcusable play. It's not as bad as you're making it.
And that's the saddest excuse of them all.
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And that's the saddest excuse of them all.
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:14 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I think it's easy to say that that there is enough culpability to go around from coaches to players alike. There have been glimpses of good play from a number of players, including Bargs, glimpses of good coaching but overall the entire team failed as a whole. Im looking forward to the next season - hopefully this year. I would like to see the same team play with a new coach.
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