17 Reasons to Trade Chris Bosh
Old 02-19-2009, 10:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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All 17 reasons relate to players that have signed max-contracts over the past several years.

Based on the Hoops Hype NBA Salary list (a fantastic read) I'd peg the success rate (which is a pronounced variable) at 15%.

Here's a little nugget:

In the (likely) event that the Raptors don't trade Chris Bosh before the deadline, here's what they're admitting:

"Chris Bosh is our guy. Chris Bosh can win us a championship. Chris Bosh is a superstar."

Okay. I'm not here to argue that logic. Actually, wait a minute, I am here to argue that logic. And, believe it or not, I'm armed with statisticism (made-up word) and quasi-factual information. Believe it.

Here's the deal, if you're going to pay somebody roughly one-third of your allotment under the salary cap - a salary cap that is trending downward - said player better be worth it. Like, really worth it. Moreover, a "max-contract" means you're paying your player appreciably more than they can earn on the open market. Think about that process logically for a minute. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

How do I know this? Let's look at the Top 27 salaries in the NBA courtesy of our (theoretical) friends at HoopsHype. This is an awesome exercise, you have to believe me:

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Old 02-19-2009, 10:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Duncan, Kobe, Lebron, Garnett...... these are the guys who are winning championships (Lebron will eventually).... so it's a bit of a crapshoot trying to decide who is going to be the next guy to climb into that elite level.

BTW - why 17? I didn't quite get that.
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maybe it's supposed to be 27?
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That's kind of silly argument ... First of all, there are not 17 reasons, just one reason (max salary theory) and some examples. Some owners of NBA teams makes lots of $$$ from this business. Of course you have to pay for those who brings the fans to arenas. We have 30 teams in NBA and only one team every year is going to win the championship. As in any business, there are good investments (Kobe, Duncan, Garnett etc) and bad investments (Marbury, J. O'Neal, V. Carter etc).
Questions we have to answer: Is Bosh worth a max salary? Can you give Bosh less than max salary and expect him to do the same as others do for max salary?

You may not want to give to anyone max salary but there are others who are willing to give Bosh max salary without blinking ... If Bosh goes and Raptors would sell 3000 tickets less per game, let's do some math:
Assume 150$ / person attending one game (ticket/snacks/beverages etc)
3000 x 150 = 450.000
41 home games 450.000 x 41 = 18.450.000

This won't include the loss from merchandise selling, advertising, sponsorships, TV/Radio audience etc.
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All i know is that id Bosh doesent continue imporving (and can stop injuring his knee every coupple months then cool keep him) if not, i dont think he is worth max money. Hes not a game changer, hes not a clutch game winner, he is liek a consistent starter that get 22pts and 9rbs a game. Great numbers but besides that he doesnt have that superstar quality we all want.
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how many players actually do m5? 6? 12? what's to say we can even get a guy like that? if i had aksed you a few years ago if you think toronto could get a 6'10" power forward with guard skills, a silky smooth jumper, and a good head on his shoulders as the cornerstone of the franchise are you saying you would have thought that was a bad idea?
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I agree completely that giving Bosh max money is an awful idea. I would love to trade him now.

I like him as a player and as a guy, but I don't like him max money.

If we sign him, we will be crippled. He has PROVEN throughout his time here he is unable to carry a team on his own.

That is exactly what we will need him to do once we tie up all our money on him. We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we do it. I would be happy to be proven wrong!

I think the only reason there is any talk of Bosh getting the max is because he happens to be in the same year as Lebron and Wade. Fact of the matter is, he just isn't as good!
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Shouldn't that be, 27 reasons why you shouldn't sign a player to a max contract????
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how many players actually do m5? 6? 12? what's to say we can even get a guy like that? if i had aksed you a few years ago if you think toronto could get a 6'10" power forward with guard skills, a silky smooth jumper, and a good head on his shoulders as the cornerstone of the franchise are you saying you would have thought that was a bad idea?
See the problem is your not seeing outside of bosh. Yes i love bosh, i think he is an amazing player, by far the best on this team. See the problem is he is not the kind of player we can give 1/3 out entire cap to. Thats the problem. He is not the type of player they we can give that kind of money to and then expect to be a good team.

Keep in mind, over the last month bosh's knee has been in pain and they say it wont be fully healed until the off season so really we cant see Bosh doing his best right now.

If we sighn Nov-dec Bosh the one that was tearing shit up, then ya its worth it, other then that we will nto be able to have a good enough team after giving Bosh 20 of the 70 million cap. Keep in mind if we can do that thing BC was talking about (alloing us to have 23 million to spend this off season) then by all means it will be good to keep Bosh for max beucae we will have the money to aquire other good players

To sum up
Current Bosh (the one that never drives any more) = Not worth MAX
Bosh from begining of the year = Worth MAX
Bosh + Going over the Cap = MAX who cares we will actually have money to spend on other players for once.
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How about if Bosh was paired with an upper tier guard who can share the load and create for himself. Maybe then we should see if Bosh is "worth" anything.

The fact that arguements are that Bosh can't create for himself, isn't great in the clutch etc. is ridiculous. Bigs aren't supposed to do those things really. Name me a big that can create for himself and is great in "the clutch" (which means what exactly? a term fans use to simply have a pedastal to criticize other players with? how many players are actually good in the clutch?) The fact that, the position where skilled players usually lie have been filled with (Garbo, Delfino, AP, Joey et al) shows how poor of a job we've done surrounding him with talent.

Surround him with talent, then see what he can do. Sign him to a max. If he doesn't work out, I'm sure that 1 year into his contract there would still be a sizeable amount of takers for Bosh.
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See the problem is your not seeing outside of bosh. Yes i love bosh, i think he is an amazing player, by far the best on this team. See the problem is he is not the kind of player we can give 1/3 out entire cap to. Thats the problem. He is not the type of player they we can give that kind of money to and then expect to be a good team.

Keep in mind, over the last month bosh's knee has been in pain and they say it wont be fully healed until the off season so really we cant see Bosh doing his best right now.

If we sighn Nov-dec Bosh the one that was tearing shit up, then ya its worth it, other then that we will nto be able to have a good enough team after giving Bosh 20 of the 70 million cap. Keep in mind if we can do that thing BC was talking about (alloing us to have 23 million to spend this off season) then by all means it will be good to keep Bosh for max beucae we will have the money to aquire other good players

To sum up
Current Bosh (the one that never drives any more) = Not worth MAX
Bosh from begining of the year = Worth MAX
Bosh + Going over the Cap = MAX who cares we will actually have money to spend on other players for once.
the problem is you're not reading my post. how many guys out there are that kind of superstar? what are our chances of landing one of those guys? if we can't, can we really do better than Bosh and a couple of good quality swing players?
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ya man, maby in magic land. How do you support him with tallent when we sign him to max 20 mill -70 mill = 50 mill for the entire team. so thats 14 more players we need to pay. Its not possible to suround him with tallent unless we go over the cap.
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you're telling me about magic land, and you want us to give up on Bosh for a mystical superstar that you can't identify and that we probably have no chance at getting anyways?
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ya man, maby in magic land. How do you support him with tallent when we sign him to max 20 mill -70 mill = 50 mill for the entire team. so thats 14 more players we need to pay. Its not possible to suround him with tallent unless we go over the cap.
You draft well, you make shrewd moves. All these play factors. Hell, it's what we pay B.C. for.
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you're telling me about magic land, and you want us to give up on Bosh for a mystical superstar that you can't identify and that we probably have no chance at getting anyways?
I wasent talking about you. the guy above u is who i was refering to
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How about if Bosh was paired with an upper tier guard who can share the load and create for himself. Maybe then we should see if Bosh is "worth" anything.

The fact that arguements are that Bosh can't create for himself, isn't great in the clutch etc. is ridiculous. Bigs aren't supposed to do those things really. Name me a big that can create for himself and is great in "the clutch" (which means what exactly? a term fans use to simply have a pedastal to criticize other players with? how many players are actually good in the clutch?) The fact that, the position where skilled players usually lie have been filled with (Garbo, Delfino, AP, Joey et al) shows how poor of a job we've done surrounding him with talent.

Surround him with talent, then see what he can do. Sign him to a max. If he doesn't work out, I'm sure that 1 year into his contract there would still be a sizeable amount of takers for Bosh.
Well that doesn't beg the question whether or not Chris Bosh deserves the max but whether a big AT ALL deserves the max.

I think for someone to be worth the max they need to be able to be a game changer on both ends.

Offense:
For a guard- breakdown the defence, drive and shoot
For a big- create down low, FORCE A DOUBLE TEAM, get offensive rebounds

Defence:
For a guard- Contain your man at the perimeter
For a big- alter shots, play help D, get boards.

I don't think Bosh does enough of the offence on his own. I agree, most bigs can't, but at least force me a double team so we can open up elsewhere.

I don't think he guards the paint well enough.

He is a GREAT player, but he isn't max good if he needs that great wing player to really open up his game.

We should be giving that wing player the max and finding a great inside man.
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You Trane are starting to get on my nervs. Its like you short sighted to the point that you cant see in front of you.

As of right now this is how things look to me

Bosh 22 million max contract
Calderon 8 million
Kapono 6 (come 2010)
Banks 4
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32 million to spend on the rest of the team. How can you justify paying Bosh that much money when he is not a game changer, and cant carry this team on his back?


With these players alone we will have 32 million to spend on the rest of the team. Keep in mind im working with a cap of 72 million still. How in hell can we suround this superstart Bosh with tallent with 32 million dollars? PLease tell me. Bosh cannot carry this team on his back and win game after game. He deff needs supporting cast to make this team what we want. With 32 million how can we get anywhere? Bosh is not with the max just for that. Ya we will have Bosh on the team. And to bad that would be our entire team. Thanks for commin out

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All i know is that id Bosh doesent continue imporving (and can stop injuring his knee every coupple months then cool keep him) if not, i dont think he is worth max money. Hes not a game changer, hes not a clutch game winner, he is liek a consistent starter that get 22pts and 9rbs a game. Great numbers but besides that he doesnt have that superstar quality we all want.
The highest paid player in the league is Kevin Garnett, who has more than 24 millions per year and his number are 16 PPG / 8.9 RPG. Yes, he won a championship but he couldn't do more for Timberwolves than CB4 is doing for Raptors. Still Garnett had a max salary with TWolves. Don't blame CB4 for the mess created by Raptors management. If Raptors decides to go over the luxury limit as Celtics did and add two players of the same caliber as Ray Allen and Paul Pierce to play along with CB4, I guarantee you CB4 will be as valuable as KG is right now.
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This is a good discussion.

I don't think Bosh deserved maximum salary.

but.....

I think the franchise will be worse off without him, so i'm inclined to say we should do what we can to resign him.
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You Trane are starting to get on my nervs. Its like you short sighted to the point that you cant see in front of you.

As of right now this is how things look to me

Bosh 22 million max contract
Calderon 8 million
Kapono 6 (come 2010)
Banks 4
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32 million to spend on the rest of the team. How can you justify paying Bosh that much money when he is not a game changer, and cant carry this team on his back?


With these players alone we will have 32 million to spend on the rest of the team. Keep in mind im working with a cap of 72 million still. How in hell can we suround this superstart Bosh with tallent with 32 million dollars? PLease tell me. Bosh cannot carry this team on his back and win game after game. He deff needs supporting cast to make this team what we want. With 32 million how can we get anywhere? Bosh is not with the max just for that. Ya we will have Bosh on the team. And to bad that would be our entire team. Thanks for commin out
You want to compete against Celtics, you have to go over the luxury tax limit as they did.
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