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Old 07-11-2008, 11:00 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The same goes with scoring. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bosh's numbers remain even, if not dip, yet his play become more effective.

Exactly.

That's why I've been saying that predicting point, rebound and assist per game numbers is fruitless, because the Raptors will have to find the best scoring and rebounding balance. Whether that means more or less points for Bosh (or JO, or Jose) isn't important, as long as it means a more effective offense.

Forget, points per game...I'm much more interested in how Bosh's FG% looks next year. I'd bet on it going up, even if his points scored don't. And, in my opinion, that would definitely indicate an improvement in the Raptors offense as a whole, while an increase in points per game could be attributed to a number of things that don't necessarily improve the team's efficiency.
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Calderon is deffinately Pass First he just doesn't pass as often. Calderon doesn't look for his own shot enough at time- the guy shoots 50/40/90-he need to take at least another 5 or 6 a game shooting like that. Jose never throws a risky pass-only smart one and that is why his turnovers are so low.
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i am going to go out on a limb and predict that Jose will lead the league in assists next season.
the guy will log 40 mins a night...
the BIG difference between him and Nash is simple, Jose does not make turnovers.
Nash avg's about 3.5 TO's per game, while Jose avg's like 1.5. thats the main difference, jose is so much more careful with the ball.
and this season, he has another big weapon to pass to.
Jose's low tunrover rate had a lot to do with him not playing starters minutes.

He'll still turn the ball over less than Nash this season, but that's also due to the style of play. Nash controls the ball in the Phoenix offense almost all the time. He likely controls the ball more than anyone in the league (besides maybe Paul) and it's not just bringing it up the court and setting up the offense. He penetrates, brings it back out, and basically runs around with it until he gets an opportunity to make something happen. In contrast, Jose is very steady, and is more concerned with getting the team into the offense than making individually spectacular plays.

The Suns offense relies on Nash's creativity and risk taking. The same things that make him great result in increased turnovers, but the Sun's will take it.

Toronto's relies on Jose being cautious and running the sets. So as such, he certainly could lead the league in assists (although I think he's a step back from Nash,Paul, Kidd, Williams) but I'd be just as happy to see him around 7 or 8 per game if he can keep the turnovers down.
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Calderon is deffinately Pass First he just doesn't pass as often. Calderon doesn't look for his own shot enough at time- the guy shoots 50/40/90-he need to take at least another 5 or 6 a game shooting like that. Jose never throws a risky pass-only smart one and that is why his turnovers are so low.
He shoots 50/40/90 because he only takes good shots. The last thing we want is Jose forcing shots...his effectiveness relies on him getting open looks (to drive or shoot) in the flow of the offense.

I'd like to see him try and draw more fouls to get to the line, and I'd be all for finding him more good shots within the offense, btu it's not as simple as taking another 5 or 6 per game. If that happens, those percentages will drop.
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I'd like to see him try and draw more fouls to get to the line, and I'd be all for finding him more good shots within the offense, btu it's not as simple as taking another 5 or 6 per game. If that happens, those percentages will drop.
I would like that too but don't forget he's 6-3. I mean that doesn't necessarily mean he should never drive it to the hoop but it's a lot harder for shorter guys to do that. Especially because in the low post is where the big, tall, 6-10 PF's and centers.
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I would like that too but don't forget he's 6-3. I mean that doesn't necessarily mean he should never drive it to the hoop but it's a lot harder for shorter guys to do that. Especially because in the low post is where the big, tall, 6-10 PF's and centers.
He's actually quite effective going to the bucket given his size and athleticism.

Obviously you're right, he's smallish and he doesn't have great speed, so I don't expect him to draw fouls like Chris Paul or Deron Williams, but he shoots free throws so well it would be nice to see him try and draw that contact around the hoop a little more often.

But yeah, I mean, that's nit-picking to a degree. Consistent steadiness, just like last year, is all we need from him.
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I would like that too but don't forget he's 6-3. I mean that doesn't necessarily mean he should never drive it to the hoop but it's a lot harder for shorter guys to do that. Especially because in the low post is where the big, tall, 6-10 PF's and centers.
Tell that to Mugsy Bougues, Isiah Thomas, TJ Ford, Allen Iverson or Nate Robinson
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I think Bosh rebounding will dip again playing with O'Neal. I see Bosh around 22ppg/8rbg, O'Neal around 16 and 10 and Calderon around 16ppg/10apg.
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Claderon not a pass first PG ???? O.O...
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I think Bosh rebounding will dip again playing with O'Neal. I see Bosh around 22ppg/8rbg, O'Neal around 16 and 10 and Calderon around 16ppg/10apg.
Like I said before I wouldn't mind at all if Bosh dips or not. Because the only way he'd get worse numbers (and I don't mean a lot) would be by JO getting some of his points. Which is what we want: Dynamic Duo.
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sure - it doesn't really matter who's getting the rebounds, as long as someone is getting them ...
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