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Stay in Toronto 7 31.82%
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Give him more time in Toronto, then maybe trade him 10 45.45%
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Old 12-03-2010, 04:33 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Kleiza needs to lose 10 lbs to gain some quickness and just take as many shoots as Weems. That way at least he can improve his numbers.
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Italians have soccer. Basketball is secondary sport at best right?
Course basketball is not very popular but Italy has 60kk population, it's x20 than Lithuania population. This forum not popular in Italy.

You overrate basketball. It's still second sport in the world but not even close to Football (foot+ball...). I believe F1 and MotoGP are more popular than basketball there in Italy.
Spain has second best nt in the world, but 95% of sports media goes to Football, they talk about the Basketball just when they win something.
But it's still very good. Compare to for example Australia, where is even cricket, horse racing, v8's, golf and swimming is more popular than Basketball.
It looks impossible to Lithuanian, but it's the same to Aussie. They are crazy about Rugby. Lithuania NT won Europe Rugby championship, but sport news missed that fact... and 99.9% of Lithuanians has no idea we have Rugby nt at all.

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Course basketball is not very popular but Italy has 60kk population, it's x20 than Lithuania population. This forum not popular in Italy.

You overrate basketball. It's still second sport in the world but not even close to Football (foot+ball...). I believe F1 and MotoGP are more popular than basketball there in Italy.
Spain has second best nt in the world, but 95% of sports media goes to Football, they talk about the Basketball just when they win something.
But it's still very good. Compare to for example Australia, where is even cricket, horse racing, v8's, golf and swimming is more popular than Basketball.
It looks impossible to Lithuanian, but it's the same to Aussie. They are crazy about Rugby. Lithuania NT won Europe Rugby championship, but sport news missed that fact... and 99.9% of Lithuanians has no idea we have Rugby nt at all.
typical 30 min Italian sports program goes
21 minutes soccer (offseason), 4 F1, 3 Moto GP, 2 to everything else (rugby, bball)
in the summer they barely mentioned the Italian bball team
but i could be watching the wrong channel

you forgot Aussie rules football and tennis, more popular than basketball
hard to compare team sports and individual ones
Cricket
Aussie rules
Rugby
soccer
basketball

all close
tennis
swimming
golf
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Oh yes Tennis, right... Well, i missed Soccker, Rugby, Football, Footy (or WTF is this), cause it goes without saying. It's more popular than bball there.
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Oh yes Tennis, right... Well, i missed Soccker, Rugby, Football, Footy (or WTF is this), cause it goes without saying. It's more popular than bball there.
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I really think that the top two Greece teams would beat the Raptors.
I think this and the past few years of pre-season have shown that any euroleague team can beat any NBA team on any given night. Even the defending champ LA LAKERS lost to Barcelona during the pre-season...

I also would like to go on record saying... Linus doesn't seem the happiest right now. Which is why he should be chose as the guy who gets to do the solo dance in the middle of the huddle before the next game against New York... where I'm thinking the Raptors quickness and defence is actually going to catch NYN off guard.

Here's where the Nicks can suck it... So New York has played 20 games so far... 15 of which have been against below .500 teams. The Raptors have played 19 games 11 of which have been against .500 teams... that's a difference of 3 games. How many are the Raptors behind the Nicks in the standings? 3 wins.

How many + .500 teams has New York beat ? 2 teams.... Chicago and New Orleans that's it! Both teams are right in the middle of the conferences... Chicago barely has a winning record.
How many + .500 teams have the Raptors beat? 3 teams...Boston, Orlando, and Oklahoma City... 2 of the top teams in the enitre league and Oklahoma which until yesterday was tied with New Orleans.

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In a 1 games series, every team has a chance
but put Olympiacos and Panathinaikos in the NBA and they wont make the playoffs or last the 82 game season

10 October 2003 Toronto Raptors 100–76 Panathinaikos
11 October 2007 Houston Rockets 107–70 Panathinaikos
13 October 2007 San Antonio Spurs 113–91 Panathinaikos

8 October 1997 Chicago Bulls 104–78 Olympiacos
9 October 2009 San Antonio Spurs 107–89 Olympiacos
12 October 2009 Cleveland Cavaliers 111–94 Olympiacos

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No Europe team would make the playoffs. But these results show anything. For example Olympiakos had flight overseas, then 3 games in few days in a the different time zone. + NBA rules played.
The same with CSKA this season. CSKA was in the better shape, cause it was only preseason for the NBA teams, but all these things : time zone, looong flights, and a lot of injuries. But they still beat CAVS in their arena. And now CSKA shit bricks, only one W in Euroleague, last place in the group.
European clubs are much stronger than 20 years ago. Talent level is still low compare to NBA, but top Europe teams play better team ball and show better awareness I think.

And Remember Toronto Raptors against Legendary Lithuanian club, Zalgiris? Zalgiris was a terrible EL team then, but that was a nice game.

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In a 1 games series, every team has a chance
but put Olympiacos and Panathinaikos in the NBA and they wont make the playoffs or last the 82 game season

10 October 2003 Toronto Raptors 10076 Panathinaikos
11 October 2007 Houston Rockets 10770 Panathinaikos
13 October 2007 San Antonio Spurs 11391 Panathinaikos

8 October 1997 Chicago Bulls 10478 Olympiacos
9 October 2009 San Antonio Spurs 10789 Olympiacos
12 October 2009 Cleveland Cavaliers 11194 Olympiacos
Not going to argue about making the playoffs. I really don't know. But I think anything before 2009 is somewhat irrelevant since those teams improved a ton. And losing by 15 points against Lebron and the Cavs and also the always playoff threat Spurs is not bad. This is a small sample size. In a 7 game series I really think both teams could beat a fourth of NBA teams.
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I also would like to go on record saying... Linus doesn't seem the happiest right now. Which is why he should be chose as the guy who gets to do the solo dance in the middle of the huddle before the next game against New York... where I'm thinking the Raptors quickness and defence is actually going to catch NYN off guard.
Yes, Linas* is definitely going to be frustrated. He just doesn't fit in the rotation here. Sonny Weems played like poop yesterday, having five turnovers, I think 4 in the first half of Kleiza still only played 16 minutes.

In the end the Raptors beat a good Thunder team, granted they didn't have Durant. So it's beneficial for Kleiza to go elsewhere where there is an offensive system. His game is not suited for a freestyle offense and watching the pick-and-roll between Calderon and Bargnani.
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you're right, for sure. the development of the weems-derozan chemistry should definitely take a back seat to the international reputation of lindo kleizoglu.
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I like Linas.

Is this thread still about Linas?
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you're right, for sure. the development of the weems-derozan chemistry
Good luck with those two as the face of the franchise. Good future.

If anything, this team needs to bring Amir Johnson to the frontlines. He has the most potential of any Raptor. Aside Bargnani and Johnson, every other Raptor either doesn't belong in Toronto or is mediocre. Ed Davis, after a sample size of 2 games, looks promising too.

Barbosa, Kleiza and Calderon could be decent role players on good teams. Anyone else would not fit as well as they do in Toronto on other teams. Put Derozan/Weems on the Lakers/Magic/Celtics and they would sit on the bench.
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Derozan has grown on me... The kid is 21 years old. He's averaging some great stats. He will definitely be good when he gets enough exp under his belt. I can't wait to see how he turns out in a few years.
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Derozan has grown on me... The kid is 21 years old. He's averaging some great stats. He will definitely be good when he gets enough exp under his belt. I can't wait to see how he turns out in a few years.
Stat's? He's been averaging over 30 minutes a game. 12.4 PTS, 1.7 APG, 3 RBD. Do you also like his .16% 3pt shooting?

Kleiza's been playing 30% less minutes then him and has no role whatsoever on the Raptors and is averaging 10 pts, 4 rbs and 1 APG. Really not a big deal. Derozan's or Kleiza's numbers would only be impressive if they played on a good team.

What's the big deal about being 21? The use of his age to portray potential is so overrated. He's not 17/18 like Kobe, McGrady, O'Neil and a bunch of other guys were making things happen in the league. Blake Griffin is DOMINATING being 21 now. Some other guys like Brandon Jennings or Michael Beasley too. Amir is 21 as well.
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Kleiza is off form now- get over it. He can't make 2/2 free throws, his 3pt percentage sucks balls and the fact if he doesn't produce something really great Triano sit's his ass down on the bench, so the guy is loosing confidence and minutes.

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What's the big deal about being 21? The use of his age to portray potential is so overrated. He's not 17/18 like Kobe, McGrady, O'Neil and a bunch of other guys were making things happen in the league. Blake Griffin is DOMINATING being 21 now. Some other guys like Brandon Jennings or Michael Beasley too. Amir is 21 as well.

O'Neil didn't become a full time player until he was 22 years old and put up 12 points a game in that first season in Indy. McGrady and Kobe were hardly making things happen until their third or fourth seasons and Amir is 23 years old.

Griffin is a freak of nature, Beasley is already in his third season and DeRozan is as advertised, a raw kid with potential and a good work ethic.
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Stat's? He's been averaging over 30 minutes a game. 12.4 PTS, 1.7 APG, 3 RBD. Do you also like his .16% 3pt shooting?

Kleiza's been playing 30% less minutes then him and has no role whatsoever on the Raptors and is averaging 10 pts, 4 rbs and 1 APG. Really not a big deal. Derozan's or Kleiza's numbers would only be impressive if they played on a good team.

What's the big deal about being 21? The use of his age to portray potential is so overrated. He's not 17/18 like Kobe, McGrady, O'Neil and a bunch of other guys were making things happen in the league. Blake Griffin is DOMINATING being 21 now. Some other guys like Brandon Jennings or Michael Beasley too. Amir is 21 as well.
i hate arguing stats but you have forced me to.
its so funny how you turn derozan's 3.6 rebs a game into 3, yet Kleiza's 3.7 is magically upped to 4.
theres a reason Kleiza plays behind Derozan in the depth chart, and since you love talking stats heres some more for you:
Derozan plays 6 more minutes than Kleiza, and takes the exact same shots per game! not to mention DD has a better shooting percentage, and gets the the free throw line 3 more times per game... and how is it that kleiza plays 6 minutes less than DD yet averages more turnovers??? explain those stats?
seems to me like kleiza is a chucking turnover machine when compared to Derozan. but thats just stats right?
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