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mb666 10-19-2010 03:10 PM

2011 National Team
 
Guaranteed a spot:
- Linas Kleiza
- Robertas Javtokas
- Martynas Pocius
- Jonas Maciulis
- Simas Jasaitis
- Mantas Kalnietis

Will want to participate and will probably make the roster:
- Paulius Jankunas
- Tomas Delininkaitis
- Renaldas Seibutis
- Darjuš Lavrinovič
- Kšyštof Lavrinovič
- Marijonas Petravičius

Players that probably will be cut:
- Martynas Gecevičius
- Tadas Klimavičius
- Martynas Andriuškevičius
- Mindaugas Lukauskis
- Donatas Motiejunas
- Mindaugas Katelynas
- Giedrius Gustas
- Artūras Jomantas
- Jonas Valančiūnas
- Dainius Šalenga

Retired Players that maybe will reconsider?
- Rimantas Kaukėnas
- Šarūnas Jasikevičius
- Ramunas Siskauskas
- Darius Songaila
- Zydrunas Ilgauskas (never played for LTU)

Others?

zxcvbn193 10-20-2010 07:28 PM

Sakyciau, kad Broliai uzsitikrine vieta, o Jasaiti deciau prie tu Maybe

mb666 10-20-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn193 (Post 446860)
Sakyciau, kad Broliai uzsitikrine vieta, o Jasaiti deciau prie tu Maybe

Jasaitis played so well in previous tournaments several years ago with Jasikevicius and other big names. He was injured this WC but still did okay.

He is one of the most experienced guys on the national team and plays well when Lithuania has a great playmaker. He struggles to create his own shot, but when other guys set him up on the perimeter then he is a monster. For these reasons I bet he is guaranteed a spot, unless he gets injured.

The Lavrinovic twins should add some size and one can shot the ball out from deep. Can't wait for this next year. Maybe somehow will figure out a way to go to Lithuania. One thing for sure next year is that we will be a much bigger/tougher team size wise.

A realistic goal will be to get 1st place. Serbia will be toughest opponent along with Spain. France may have all their NBA players. Interesting to see about aging Greece and how Turkey responds following the WC.

MARTYNAS 10-20-2010 10:41 PM

Brothers are the freaking scoring machines. Their just needs a good point guard and they scores more than play minutes. If they want play - they guarantee.
look, last 2 Darjus' games. In turkey, 21 minute = 24 points. Today in Euroleague, 22 min. = 21 point. A beast. And I actually believe, Ksistof is better one.

Jasaitis is a very good role player. He is a shooter and good defensively. I say - 80%, not guaranteed but close.

Siskauskas and Ilgauskas confirmed it one more time, they not playing. Not very care about the Z, he is slow. Forget about Salenga too, no one calls him, he is a past.

Petravicius injured all the time. Jonas Valanciunas is welcome.

mb666 10-20-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MARTYNAS (Post 447110)
Brothers are the freaking scoring machines. Their just needs a good point guard and they scores more than play minutes. If they want play - they guarantee.
look, last 2 Darjus' games. In turkey, 21 minute = 24 points. Today in Euroleague, 22 min. = 21 point. A beast. And I actually believe, Ksistof is better one.

Jasaitis is a very good role player. He is a shooter and good defensively. I say - 80%, not guaranteed but close.

Siskauskas and Ilgauskas confirmed it one more time, they not playing. Not very care about the Z, he is slow. Forget about Salenga too, no one calls him, he is a past.

Petravicius injured all the time. Jonas Valanciunas is welcome.

Would be funny to see Jasikevicius play but it won't happen... and i don't want him to play. But our PG position is the biggest liability. Kalnaitis is good, but he can be sloppy with the ball.

Windex 10-21-2010 01:53 AM

I thought Valančiūnas and Motiejunas were good players, surprised they would be cut..must have a very good team then

mb666 10-21-2010 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 447191)
I thought Valančiūnas and Motiejunas were good players, surprised they would be cut..must have a very good team then

They are too young... Motiejunas was cut from this World Championship's team and they weren't that talented. Were very lucky to win 3rd!

Both these guys have a kids body. Montiejunas will get drafted high but won't get any minutes in the NBA for maybe three years... unless he plays the 3 (for which he is too slow). Valanciunas has a wider frame but is very skinny. He is not as skilled offensively and just uses his height and length against undersized peers.

The Lithuanian national team took two bronzes and two 4-place finishes in the last four olympics... That's incredible for a country of 3.5 million people. The country is stacked with talent, but hopefully the best players won't get injured like this summer (although we got 3rd).

The European Championship 2011 will actually be held in Lithuania. There will be high expectations and after the WC I think only a 1st place finish will be enough. Serbia and Spain will be the toughest opponents though.

Windex 10-21-2010 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mb666 (Post 447198)
They are too young... Motiejunas was cut from this World Championship's team and they weren't that talented. Were very lucky to win 3rd!

Both these guys have a kids body. Montiejunas will get drafted high but won't get any minutes in the NBA for maybe three years... unless he plays the 3 (for which he is too slow). Valanciunas has a wider frame but is very skinny. He is not as skilled offensively and just uses his height and length against undersized peers.

The Lithuanian national team took two bronzes and two 4-place finishes in the last four olympics... That's incredible for a country of 3.5 million people. The country is stacked with talent, but hopefully the best players won't get injured like this summer (although we got 3rd).

The European Championship 2011 will actually be held in Lithuania. There will be high expectations and after the WC I think only a 1st place finish will be enough. Serbia and Spain will be the toughest opponents though.

many overseas big men are undersized when they come into the league but I thought their skill set was good enough
Durant is skinny but his skill makes up for it

mb666 10-21-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 447200)
many overseas big men are undersized when they come into the league but I thought their skill set was good enough
Durant is skinny but his skill makes up for it

Motiejunas has a better skill set in terms of shooting the ball, dribbling, passing. He's also 6"9 and left handed. He does well on the perimeter but has some post moves as well. But his body is rail thin.

Valanciunas is only a post player. But he is a really good rebounder and shot blocker. He scores a ton from the inside (a lot of dunks) but that's because his competition is weak. He has a "broad shoulders, skinny," frame so maybe he will put on muscle in the future. If he develops to have a body like Javtokas then he will be a beast.

Zhylvis 10-21-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mb666 (Post 447198)
The Lithuanian national team took two bronzes and two 4-place finishes in the last four olympics... That's incredible for a country of 3.5 million people. The country is stacked with talent, but hopefully the best players won't get injured like this summer (although we got 3rd).

In the last five olympics our national team won three bronz medal( in 1992,1996 and 2000) and two 4-place in the two last olympics.
See this video

mb666 10-21-2010 12:28 PM

Wow, my mistake and that video was AWESOME.... Can't wait when that comes out in 2011! :yeah:

Darknemo2000 10-21-2010 02:20 PM

Valanciunas had 10 points and 10 rebounds in 17 minutes of his first Euroleague debut. Maybe we shouldnt cut him out too soon?

I mean Javtokas is better defensively but cant make a bucket from under the basket.

And I would take Valanciunas over Andriuskevicius even now.

Motiejunas is overrated though.

mb666 10-21-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Darknemo2000 (Post 447332)
Valanciunas had 10 points and 10 rebounds in 17 minutes of his first Euroleague debut. Maybe we shouldnt cut him out too soon?

I mean Javtokas is better defensively but cant make a bucket from under the basket.

And I would take Valanciunas over even now.

Motiejunas is overrated though.

Andriuskevicius turned out to be very disappointing. When he played at the WC I cringed. He has enough experience but has no feel for the game.

Motiejunas may be overrated but he deserves to be a lottery pick. He would only survive as a SF in the NBA though. Would be a huge liability defensively.

Valanciunas, as well as every other Lithuanian player, has a softer touch than Javtokas. But Javtokas' game is all about rebounding, blocking shots and dunking the ball. He does that well. He tries that baby hook but is too inconsistent. If Valanciunas develops the same body as Javtokas then he will be the future. I just don't think he will be as athletic as Javtokas.

If I was a NBA GM, it's really 50/50 who I would prefer. Based more on team needs.

MARTYNAS 10-21-2010 05:17 PM

First of all, Motiejunas is not 6'9, he is 7 footer... Guy in the other thread said he played no D in NT camp, but it's not true. He tried his best, he's just not good enough. And when you try too much, sometimes you just failing... He is work ethic for sure. I know, he works on his body and defensive skills.
Valanciunas need to improve his mid range shooting, then he will be much bigger problem to any guy, who guards him. He is skinny, but don't forget he is north European, Lithuanian. It's genes. Look at the south, middle east males. Average 16 years old turk shaves 2 times a day and looks like a damn big bully. While average 20 year old Lithuanian still looks like a kid. Anyhow, Jonas proved he can dominate much bigger and stronger opponents. Remember Karnowski? He was destroyed. And now, 10 rebs in 17 minutes agains the team, which has D. Lavrinovic, Savas, Peker, Vidmar, even one of the greatest European rebounders of all time, Mirdsad Turkcan, played in that game.

Andriuskevicius who? Jonas already better, then Andriuskevicius ever was. He was big talent? I don't know, maybe I am genius, but I always laughed, when ''experts'' was saying, he is a big prospect... season before he came to the NBA, he played in Zalgiris, played about 2 minutes in the game and looked like clown. IMO, worst Zalgiris player ever. He was not ready to be a 3 unit guy in the srub Euroleague team for god sake...
Hard to say it, but Andriuskevicius, aka Euro-style, is better photographer than a basketball player Marty's gallery here

mb666 10-21-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MARTYNAS (Post 447429)
First of all, Motiejunas is not 6'9, he is 7 footer... Guy in the other thread said he played no D in NT camp, but it's not true. He tried his best, he's just not good enough. And when you try too much, sometimes you just failing... He is work ethic for sure. I know, he works on his body and defensive skills.
Valanciunas need to improve his mid range shooting, then he will be much bigger problem to any guy, who guards him. He is skinny, but don't forget he is north European, Lithuanian. It's genes. Look at the south, middle east males. Average 16 years old turk shaves 2 times a day and looks like a damn big bully. While average 20 year old Lithuanian still looks like a kid. Anyhow, Jonas proved he can dominate much bigger and stronger opponents. Remember Karnowski? He was destroyed. And now, 10 rebs in 17 minutes agains the team, which has D. Lavrinovic, Savas, Peker, Vidmar, even one of the greatest European rebounders of all time, Mirdsad Turkcan, played in that game.

Andriuskevicius who? Jonas already better, then Andriuskevicius ever was. He was big talent? I don't know, maybe I am genius, but I always laughed, when ''experts'' was saying, he is a big prospect... season before he came to the NBA, he played in Zalgiris, played about 2 minutes in the game and looked like clown. IMO, worst Zalgiris player ever. He was not ready to be a 3 unit guy in the srub Euroleague team for god sake...
Hard to say it, but Andriuskevicius, aka Euro-style, is better photographer than a basketball player Marty's gallery here

Interesting to see how those two guys turn out when their bodies are more developed.

But, WOW, Martynas is one hell of a photographer. Just looked at two pages and there were so many nice pics.

Darknemo2000 10-22-2010 04:21 AM

Well what I meant by andrisukevicius was that someone were trying to support why actually Andriuskevicius was chosen for the NT this summer by saying he is more developed and experienced but I am saying that his body doesnt look all that good and even now Valanciunas has more skills already, is a better rebounder, better defender, shoots FT very well, has great hands and can score from under the basket pretty well and moves fast for a guy of his size.

The only things that Andriuskevicius is better is that he is taller. Andriuskevicius size is 2.18 m while Valanciunas is 2.10 m but Valanciunas has a very long hands which makes his size quite deceptive.

A better argument was that after winning gold with U-18 Valanciunas was too tired, but again how much did Andriuskevicius play? valanciunas would have been 11th 12th man in a rotation - I dont think it would have tired him out too much. But he would at least see what it is like to be in NT.

I wouldnt say that Gecevicius will be clearly cut either. Seems like a good player and very young still so I would put him to the maybe rather than putting him in the line of rather useless guys like Klimavicius.

MARTYNAS 10-22-2010 05:28 AM

Minutes in the world champ. is not a main thing. All players works hard in camps, every day workouts. Jonas worked much with junior team, it was a risk to get injury, because of overwork.

Rycka 10-22-2010 06:10 AM

I don't understand all the bashing towards Adriuskevicius, he's still very young and one of the best C in our country who made big progress in last 1-2 years, added some weight and gained some experience in ACB. What can Valanciunas offer that Adriuskevicius couldn't?

mb666 10-22-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rycka (Post 447683)
I don't understand all the bashing towards Adriuskevicius, he's still very young and one of the best C in our country who made big progress in last 1-2 years, added some weight and gained some experience in ACB. What can Valanciunas offer that Adriuskevicius couldn't?

I rarely see him play so I can't comment but he looked terrible at the WC. All he has is height. He should be more physically developed for his age too. I see very little potential now from him.

Darknemo2000 10-22-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rycka (Post 447683)
I don't understand all the bashing towards Adriuskevicius, he's still very young and one of the best C in our country who made big progress in last 1-2 years, added some weight and gained some experience in ACB. What can Valanciunas offer that Adriuskevicius couldn't?

Defense, rebounding, scoring in the paint, back to the basket game, FT shooting, speed, hands (Andriuskevicius hands are terrible as even with the best pass he needs few moments to get a grip on the ball, while Valanciunas hands are so big that he can grip the ball with one hand and do it very fast).

Valanciunas is already better than Andriuskevicius. Did you even see Andriuskevicius play? :facepalm:

Heck even on second national team C Anisimovas always wiped the floor with Andriuskevicius when they played against each other. Andriuskevicius got selected to main team mostly because he had more time in ACB while Anisimovas is playing in Ukraine, but if they would have allowed them to play against each other Anisimovas would have owned the guy again.

Yes he is still 24 years old. But come on...


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