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Someguy again 06-25-2011 07:17 PM

Olajuwon or MJ?
 
I was talking to a friend and he sent me this comment

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Olajuwon has 2 rings, one of the greatest centers of all time, true class act of a person, and won his first championship with almost no help, ie only star on the team, something Jordan never did. I dont think Houston regrets passing on Jordan for Hakeem for a second, nor should they. Jordan's development could have been completely different in Houston without Phil Jackson and Hakeem developed just fine.
Thoughts?

Dark Knight 06-25-2011 11:47 PM

Sam Bowie. :cookie:

WB3 06-25-2011 11:56 PM

Jordan and it's not close really. No disrespect to The Dream.

6 NBA Championships, 6 NBA Finals MVPs, 5 NBA Regular Season MVPs, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, 7 time Scoring Champ, Rookie of the Year, 2 Time Dunk Champion and 3rd on the NBA's All-Time scoring list.

Dark Knight 06-25-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WB3 (Post 553971)
Jordan and it's not close really. No disrespect to The Dream.

6 NBA Championships, 6 NBA Finals MVPs, 5 NBA Regular Season MVPs, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, 7 time Scoring Champ, Rookie of the Year, 2 Time Dunk Champion and 3rd on the NBA's All-Time scoring list.

I don't know about that. Put Hakeem on that championship-winning Bulls team in place of Jordan and I think they still come out winners.

1996 for example:

Kerr
Harper
Pippen
Rodman
Olajuwan

INSIDER 06-26-2011 12:02 AM

sorry to say, but if Jordan never retired, houston wouldnt have won squat.

Dark Knight 06-26-2011 12:03 AM

Olajuwan was the heart and soul of the Rockets franchise. If you were to replace Hakeem with Jordan on the other hand, they still have a pretty good team, but they lose their anchor on both offense and defense.

Smith
Jordan
Drexler
Horry
?

Rockets really didn't have another center that could step in and fill Hakeem's shoes.

Dark Knight 06-26-2011 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by INSIDER (Post 553974)
sorry to say, but if Jordan never retired, houston wouldnt have won squat.

Jordan had the pleasure to be surrounded by a really talented group of guys. While I'm not knocking Jordan's talent, if Hakeem were placed on one of the Bull's championship teams, he would've had an equally high chance to win it all.

WB3 06-26-2011 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 553973)
I don't know about that. Put Hakeem on that championship-winning Bulls team in place of Jordan and I think they still come out winners.

1996 for example:

Kerr
Harper
Pippen
Rodman
Olajuwan

Try the 91 Bulls team with Olajuwon. It would be a small Back-Court of Paxson and Armstrong.

PG John Paxson
SG BJ Armstrong
SF Scottie Pippen
PF Horace Grant
CE Hakeem Olajuwon

It comes down to the duos, you take Clyde Drexler and Michael Jordan or Scottie Pippen and Hakeem Olajuwon?

And keep in mind, does Scottie become the player he did without MJ on the team? Think of how much better SP33 became having to guard and play against MJ in all of those practices. While I'm sure Scottie still would have become a good player, I'm not sure if he would become as good as he did without MJ and the competitive fire he brought to the Bulls. It's all hypothetical though.

Still, I don't see Hakeem winning 6 rings with Jordan's Bulls. Had Jordan not retired pre-maturely to pursue baseball, he probably would have ended up with 8 NBA Championships instead of 6, maybe even 9 if he stayed for the 50 game season in 1999. Makes for interesting conversations though.

Dark Knight 06-26-2011 12:58 AM

I guess it all comes down to whether you'd rather build around one of the games greatest swingman or one of the games greatest bigman.

WB3 06-26-2011 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 553985)
I guess it all comes down to whether you'd rather build around one of the games greatest swingman or one of the games greatest bigman.

Pretty much. Personally I'm a bigger fan of Centers than Guards, my All-Time favorite is Shaq, but MJ was just the GOAT IMO (can only speak for myself). Plus I was named after MJ, so the bias is definitely there as well. :police:

Dark Knight 06-26-2011 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WB3 (Post 553991)
Pretty much. Personally I'm a bigger fan of Centers than Guards, my All-Time favorite is Shaq, but MJ was just the GOAT IMO (can only speak for myself). Plus I was named after MJ, so the bias is definitely there as well. :police:

A heat fan named after a Chicago player? Say it ain't so! ;)

WB3 06-26-2011 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 553993)
A heat fan named after a Chicago player? Say it ain't so! ;)

lol. I'm not even allowed on the Chicago Bulls Message Board after the Playoffs. :cookie:

My Dad (RIP) was a big MJ fan. His team was the Spurs, but his favorite players were Dr.J and MJ.

INSIDER 06-26-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 553977)
Jordan had the pleasure to be surrounded by a really talented group of guys. While I'm not knocking Jordan's talent, if Hakeem were placed on one of the Bull's championship teams, he would've had an equally high chance to win it all.

thats your arguement?
so whats the difference if you put shaq on the bulls championship teams, or how about robinson, or ewing...?
all of those guys would have an equally high chance of winning it all.

sorry, but theres a reason hakeem isnt even mentioned when an argument over the best to ever play the game comes up.... why? because he would never be considered the best.
i wouldnt even put him top 2 in centers.

bjjs 06-26-2011 09:09 AM

I can't decide between the two.

dfunkie1 06-26-2011 11:10 AM

i don't have a doubt in my mind that the second rockets championship team would have beat the 93 bulls. and MJ isn't the GOAT. he isn't even the of his own generation.

WB3 06-26-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 554039)
i don't have a doubt in my mind that the second rockets championship team would have beat the 93 bulls. and MJ isn't the GOAT. he isn't even the of his own generation.

Who was better in MJ's generation than MJ? :reporter:

dfunkie1 06-26-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WB3 (Post 554062)
Who was better in MJ's generation than MJ? :reporter:

magic, but i guess technically MJs generation was when he started winning rather than being a first round exit.

WB3 06-26-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 554071)
magic, but i guess technically MJs generation was when he started winning rather than being a first round exit.

Jordan lost in the First Round only three times. The first time it was his Rookie Year, the 2nd time he came back after missing 64 games due to a broken foot (and he averaged 44ppg against Bird's Celtics, including the famous 69 point game) and the third time came in his 3rd season.

Michael wasn't blessed to come into the League on a team that just traded for the reigning League MVP and Greatest Center of all-time in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He had to wait 3 years before Scottie came into the League and 6 before SP33 became an All-Star.

If you want to really get into the comparison, let's start out with their career stats/averages.

MJ23: 30.1ppg 6.2rpg 5.3apg 2.3spg 0.8bpg 84%FT 50%FG 33%3 in 38.3MPG.
MJ32: 19.5ppg 7.2rpg 11.2apg 1.9spg 0.4bpg 85%FT 52%FG 30%3 in 36.7MPG

Now let's got to Awards/Accolades:

Michael Jordan:
6 Time NBA Champion
6 Time NBA Finals MVP
5 Time Regular Season MVP
7 Time Scoring Champion
1 Time Defensive Player of the Year
14 Time NBA All-Star
Former Rookie Of The Year
3rd On NBA's Leading Scorer List
10 Time All-NBA First Team Player
1 Time All-NBA Second Team Player (Rookie Season)
9 Time All-NBA Defensive Player

Magic Johnson:
5 Time NBA Champion
3 Time NBA Finals MVP
3 Time Regular Season MVP
4 Time NBA Assists Leader
12 Time NBA All-Star
4th On NBA'S Leading Assist List
9 Time All-NBA First Team Player

From both a winning and individual stand-point, Michael Jordan has had more success than Magic Johnson has.

Nick17 03-05-2012 05:42 AM

I'm sure Houston are happy with what Olajuwon did for them ........ and 2 Championships isn't too shabby.

But Jordan was the best player of his generation, and I'd suggest that Houston would probably have won at least a couple more, if they'd selected him.

Toby 03-05-2012 06:58 AM

Jordan brought some serious high flying blocks to the court. Folks sometimes forget that Michael wasn't just a dunker and shooter, he was also a showtime stopper.


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