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Old 12-30-2010, 11:00 AM   #41 (permalink)
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yes i understand what ur saying since in track sports yes. in baseball however u still need a solid skill foundation i mean taking steroids will not help u improve ur hitting mechanics if u cant judge what a pitcher is going to throw or cant swing very well just taking steroids will not help u hit 70 home runs a season. mark mcgure, barry bonds, and arod for example even without the use of steroids would still put up all-star numbers. steroids for them in terms of their performance was kind of like the icing on the cake.
It turned doubles into home runs. It extended careers in the case of bonds and mcguire and even clemens.

Also, it would change mechanics. If you're stronger, you're able to keep up with the speed of the pitches and maintain bat speed. Get weaker, and you lose that.
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hell yes.

I could suffer small balls for a few years if it made me a couple million and helped me live out a dream.
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:09 AM   #43 (permalink)
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yes i understand what ur saying since in track sports yes. in baseball however u still need a solid skill foundation i mean taking steroids will not help u improve ur hitting mechanics if u cant judge what a pitcher is going to throw or cant swing very well just taking steroids will not help u hit 70 home runs a season. mark mcgure, barry bonds, and arod for example even without the use of steroids would still put up all-star numbers. steroids for them in terms of their performance was kind of like the icing on the cake.
why would you bring up the 3 most juiced players to help explain your side of the argument that steroids aren't an easy way to improve your game? Those three that you mentioned all disagree with you.
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Well, anyone that takes the PEDs will never be able to relate to this song again:

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Old 12-30-2010, 11:17 AM   #45 (permalink)
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why would you bring up the 3 most juiced players to help explain your side of the argument that steroids aren't an easy way to improve your game? Those three that you mentioned all disagree with you.
all im saying is that those 3 players without the use of PEDs would still go on to have successful careers. I mean a-rod is no longer juicing is still putting up big time numbers for the yankees coming towards the end of his career. Barry bonds when with the pirates was a skinny kid but was still a phenomenal talent that was the point i was trying to make.
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all im saying is that those 3 players without the use of PEDs would still go on to have successful careers. I mean a-rod is no longer juicing is still putting up big time numbers for the yankees coming towards the end of his career. Barry bonds when with the pirates was a skinny kid but was still a phenomenal talent that was the point i was trying to make.
I gotcha, but i would counter with we would never really know. They may have had decent careers, but they probably wouldn't have put up the numbers they did. Either way it's all hypothetical so bringing up those dudes and Clemons while arguing anti-steroids just doesn't make sense. You would have been better off using Babe Ruth as an example who was a fat ass and played the game drunk.
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all im saying is that those 3 players without the use of PEDs would still go on to have successful careers. I mean a-rod is no longer juicing is still putting up big time numbers for the yankees coming towards the end of his career. Barry bonds when with the pirates was a skinny kid but was still a phenomenal talent that was the point i was trying to make.
They'd have successful careers but possibly not destroy records.
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. I'm also a guy who once, when the teacher put the answers down on the test by mistake and the entire class was looking at getting 100, stood up and announced what was going on. so yeah....
Wait, what? How did you make it out of the classroom alive?
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Wait, what? How did you make it out of the classroom alive?
Exactly. Did everyone hate you?
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Ok.

You all need to LEARN about PED's, of which, there is a book a half inch thick you have to learn. When you play any amateur sport, and now a lot of pro sports, they give you the book, you'd be surprised whats in it.

Second. Steroids. there are literally dozens of different ones that will benefit a person in different ways. The common fallacy attached to a lot of these are kinda funny.

Shrunken dicks?
Small balls?
Acne?
Acromegaly?

These can happen with specific Drugs, and most side effects only hapening after prolonged use.

You Don't need to be on HGH all year, just during the season. And at 82 flippin games, plus playoffs, I don't blame players in Hockey or Basketball that use it, it's a regenerative drug that really helps in tissue repair. It's doesn't shrink your balls.

Testosterone.... if you take massive doses for a long time, your testes no longer think they need to produce testoterone on their own.... so the old saying, "use um or lose um" comes into play. But thats takes some real abuse. 3 months before a Jr. A season to add 15 lbs of muscle won't hurt ya, and to a guy on the bubble at a Hockey camp, those 15lbs could be huge.

Anyhow, I'm not advocating steroid use, or hormone use.... I'm simply stating that the only real reason not to take steroids for sports is that it isn't fair. Period.

You wanna look back and know you only hit 50 dingers cuz you were on the sauce..... thats your cross to bare, I sure as shit wouldn't want that on my conscience.

Howeve, I will say this, I have never seen a 90 million dollar contract in front of me, so I have no idea what I'd be willing to do to get it. It's easy to play the part of Moral hero on a messageboard, but how many of us REALLY know what we would do for stardom?

Good Question Claudius. Really good.
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Ok.

You all need to LEARN about PED's, of which, there is a book a half inch thick you have to learn. When you play any amateur sport, and now a lot of pro sports, they give you the book, you'd be surprised whats in it.

Second. Steroids. there are literally dozens of different ones that will benefit a person in different ways. The common fallacy attached to a lot of these are kinda funny.

Shrunken dicks?
Small balls?
Acne?
Acromegaly?

These can happen with specific Drugs, and most side effects only hapening after prolonged use.

You Don't need to be on HGH all year, just during the season. And at 82 flippin games, plus playoffs, I don't blame players in Hockey or Basketball that use it, it's a regenerative drug that really helps in tissue repair. It's doesn't shrink your balls.

Testosterone.... if you take massive doses for a long time, your testes no longer think they need to produce testoterone on their own.... so the old saying, "use um or lose um" comes into play. But thats takes some real abuse. 3 months before a Jr. A season to add 15 lbs of muscle won't hurt ya, and to a guy on the bubble at a Hockey camp, those 15lbs could be huge.

Anyhow, I'm not advocating steroid use, or hormone use.... I'm simply stating that the only real reason not to take steroids for sports is that it isn't fair. Period.

You wanna look back and know you only hit 50 dingers cuz you were on the sauce..... thats your cross to bare, I sure as shit wouldn't want that on my conscience.

Howeve, I will say this, I have never seen a 90 million dollar contract in front of me, so I have no idea what I'd be willing to do to get it. It's easy to play the part of Moral hero on a messageboard, but how many of us REALLY know what we would do for stardom?

Good Question Claudius. Really good.
Some very good points in this post. That's why I would say "case by case basis".
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:55 PM   #53 (permalink)
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hahahahhaaaa ahhh trane.

You're making me laugh over here.... cheers
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:54 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Already have.

I used to dead lift 600lbs for reps.
What were you taking back then Acie? And how much of a drop-off occurred when you stopped?

I'm not going to lie... if I had a realistic shot at making a pro team and the thing to put me over edge was some PEDs I'd probably do it. You're talking about life-changing money there.
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Ok.

You all need to LEARN about PED's, of which, there is a book a half inch thick you have to learn. When you play any amateur sport, and now a lot of pro sports, they give you the book, you'd be surprised whats in it.

Second. Steroids. there are literally dozens of different ones that will benefit a person in different ways. The common fallacy attached to a lot of these are kinda funny.

Shrunken dicks?
Small balls?
Acne?
Acromegaly?

These can happen with specific Drugs, and most side effects only hapening after prolonged use.

You Don't need to be on HGH all year, just during the season. And at 82 flippin games, plus playoffs, I don't blame players in Hockey or Basketball that use it, it's a regenerative drug that really helps in tissue repair. It's doesn't shrink your balls.

Testosterone.... if you take massive doses for a long time, your testes no longer think they need to produce testoterone on their own.... so the old saying, "use um or lose um" comes into play. But thats takes some real abuse. 3 months before a Jr. A season to add 15 lbs of muscle won't hurt ya, and to a guy on the bubble at a Hockey camp, those 15lbs could be huge.

Anyhow, I'm not advocating steroid use, or hormone use.... I'm simply stating that the only real reason not to take steroids for sports is that it isn't fair. Period.

You wanna look back and know you only hit 50 dingers cuz you were on the sauce..... thats your cross to bare, I sure as shit wouldn't want that on my conscience.

Howeve, I will say this, I have never seen a 90 million dollar contract in front of me, so I have no idea what I'd be willing to do to get it. It's easy to play the part of Moral hero on a messageboard, but how many of us REALLY know what we would do for stardom?

Good Question Claudius. Really good.
Great post SJ.
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Ok.

You all need to LEARN about PED's, of which, there is a book a half inch thick you have to learn. When you play any amateur sport, and now a lot of pro sports, they give you the book, you'd be surprised whats in it.

Second. Steroids. there are literally dozens of different ones that will benefit a person in different ways. The common fallacy attached to a lot of these are kinda funny.

Shrunken dicks?
Small balls?
Acne?
Acromegaly?

These can happen with specific Drugs, and most side effects only hapening after prolonged use.

You Don't need to be on HGH all year, just during the season. And at 82 flippin games, plus playoffs, I don't blame players in Hockey or Basketball that use it, it's a regenerative drug that really helps in tissue repair. It's doesn't shrink your balls.

Testosterone.... if you take massive doses for a long time, your testes no longer think they need to produce testoterone on their own.... so the old saying, "use um or lose um" comes into play. But thats takes some real abuse. 3 months before a Jr. A season to add 15 lbs of muscle won't hurt ya, and to a guy on the bubble at a Hockey camp, those 15lbs could be huge.

Anyhow, I'm not advocating steroid use, or hormone use.... I'm simply stating that the only real reason not to take steroids for sports is that it isn't fair. Period.

You wanna look back and know you only hit 50 dingers cuz you were on the sauce..... thats your cross to bare, I sure as shit wouldn't want that on my conscience.

Howeve, I will say this, I have never seen a 90 million dollar contract in front of me, so I have no idea what I'd be willing to do to get it. It's easy to play the part of Moral hero on a messageboard, but how many of us REALLY know what we would do for stardom?

Good Question Claudius. Really good.
Standing ovation SJ! Great post man.

Great last point.
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Exactly. Did everyone hate you?
Yes, I got punched by one dude (his locker was right beside mine) and he really, really needed the grades.

Did everyone hate me? Don't know and I don't care.

I did the right thing and didn't take the easy way. Just who I am.
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What were you taking back then Acie? And how much of a drop-off occurred when you stopped?

I'm not going to lie... if I had a realistic shot at making a pro team and the thing to put me over edge was some PEDs I'd probably do it. You're talking about life-changing money there.
I was only joking.

I have taken tribulus terrestris, but I'm pretty sure any gains experienced were just a placebo effect as since then, it's been proven to be useless for testosterone production.
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I was just about to pop off a "no", because I hate the cheating aspect, but then I had to think....

There are people who work 80 hours a week for their families, and it's likely killing them, people who whore for their families and pick up all kinds of diseases that could kill them, they will work some dangerous job for $20/hr to feed their kids or help take care of their parents, study for 8 years after high school and pile up debt only to make a fraction what the average athlete makes. Especially for kids, people will do anything for them.

But then when they are placed in a situation where they can set up their families for life, they suddenly become that much different than everyone else? It's not always about a fancy car and a mansion. The ones who really see their families in dire circumstances need to make it to the bigs.

I am not implicating Demar, but take his case. His mother was ill, in pain and suffering. He saw an opportunity to get her the best care possible. Right now! That's just one story from his family...maybe a brother could not go to college, an uncle in legal trouble, a neice headed in the wrong direction because she sees no hope. Thinking about it that way, sign me up too.

So they are told their favourite sport is now a business. Compared to what other people are doing, is it a bad business decision to knock your life expectancy down from 80 to 70?
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I was just about to pop off a "no", because I hate the cheating aspect, but then I had to think....

There are people who work 80 hours a week for their families, and it's likely killing them, people who whore for their families and pick up all kinds of diseases that could kill them, they will work some dangerous job for $20/hr to feed their kids or help take care of their parents, study for 8 years after high school and pile up debt only to make a fraction what the average athlete makes. Especially for kids, people will do anything for them.

But then when they are placed in a situation where they can set up their families for life, they suddenly become that much different than everyone else? It's not always about a fancy car and a mansion. The ones who really see their families in dire circumstances need to make it to the bigs.

I am not implicating Demar, but take his case. His mother was ill, in pain and suffering. He saw an opportunity to get her the best care possible. Right now! That's just one story from his family...maybe a brother could not go to college, an uncle in legal trouble, a neice headed in the wrong direction because she sees no hope. Thinking about it that way, sign me up too.

So they are told their favourite sport is now a business. Compared to what other people are doing, is it a bad business decision to knock your life expectancy down from 80 to 70?
Is that what happens, it knocks your life expectancy down?
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