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arsonal · 11-17-2013, 05:02 PM

marco reus to liverpool!

pzabby · 11-17-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by arsonal

marco reus to liverpool!

what?

rb · 11-19-2013, 03:47 PM

going to the brazil-chile game today!

pzabby · 11-24-2013, 06:43 PM

Well fuck. Not sure if I want avb gone now. I'm generally very very cautious in wanting someone sacked but this is getting to be ridiculous. I didn't expect a win. Nor even did I think we have to at least get the draw. But 6-0 is too rough of a score line. Avb got the team selection and tactics completely wrong

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-24-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arsonal

marco reus to liverpool!

LKeet6 · 11-25-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

Well fuck. Not sure if I want avb gone now. I'm generally very very cautious in wanting someone sacked but this is getting to be ridiculous. I didn't expect a win. Nor even did I think we have to at least get the draw. But 6-0 is too rough of a score line. Avb got the team selection and tactics completely wrong

a scoreline like that makes me want to blame players more than coach to be honest. But both need to seriously question themselves.

i think you're defence will still be fine but the lack of goals, or much threat at all of goals, is extremely worrying for you.

**Claudius** · 11-25-2013, 03:47 PM

The players are definitely to blame for that loss. There was a point where I saw Paulinho throw a small fit on the pitch and I just shook my head. Lamela look disinterested and just mediocre.

AVB, I think shoulders some blame because it looked like he just let him players out there to flounder. I mean, they weren't even competitive. I haven't seen Spurs not compete like that in a long, long, time. Oh and that joke of a free-kick in the first half where you had half the squad talking about who was taking it. It was both sad and funny to watch.

Regarding the lack of goals, I've seen it at Arsenal last season when we lost RVP. You can try to replace a player with a bunch of really quality players, but what sets apart the truly special ones is the attention they require and the space they create. Losing Bale hurt not because of goal production but because of the attention he required. Someone needs to grab the reigns (Soldado?) and help alleviate some pressure off their teammates otherwise they'll continue pressing. They're still in the hunt though....

pzabby · 11-25-2013, 09:56 PM

well said both of you. I do agree with the blame also being put on the players as some of them were truly shocking (vertonghen, kaboul, walker, paulinho, holtby). some players gave it their all those which is a shame given how the team was (sando, dembele)

that being said AVB is worrying me. players aren't happy and there are rumblings of dressing room altercations. granted given our recent run of games I can see people would be frustrated but people are getting mad about the ade situation (walker defending him apparantly), and the offence being too fixed. I'll support him but I haven't felt this uneasy since redknapp and the whole FA charade

**Claudius** · 11-26-2013, 08:52 AM

Who knows what Vertonghen was doing in that game...he was baffling. I have no problem with a RB/LB pushing up the pitch but you have to get back into position. He was just everywhere.

AVB hasn't impressed me. He seems far too rigid in his tactics and gameplan and isn't encouraging the players to just play. Again, that's what it looks like to me. He needs to let the creativity flow if you will but have the correct players on the pitch. From what I saw, having both Sandro and Dembele on the pitch at the same time would, I think, create enough space for players like Paulinho, Lamela and Soldado to be offensive players and maintain the ball in the final third of the pitch. I do think though that someone in the MF needs to help the move towards goal. Eriksen while a very good player, looks very apprehensive out there.

**fancylad** · 11-27-2013, 07:18 AM

Sounds like Jermaine Defoe is going to be signing with Toronto FC.

not official, but it's all over the media. This would definitely be a big time signing to help their feeble cause.

Now if they could somehow land an attacking mid to compliment him and Laba? would be nice.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-27-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fancylad

Sounds like Jermaine Defoe is going to be signing with Toronto FC.

not official, but it's all over the media. This would definitely be a big time signing to help their feeble cause.

Now if they could somehow land an attacking mid to compliment him and Laba? would be nice.

Apparently TFC will also buy Gilardino in January. I wish TFC had done everything humanly possible to save up and get Raul though.

**fancylad** · 11-27-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!!

Apparently TFC will also buy Gilardino in January. I wish TFC had done everything humanly possible to save up and get Raul though.

how old is he now?

Defoe is only 31.

LKeet6 · 11-27-2013, 02:07 PM

André Villas-Boas on brink of losing Tottenham Hotspur job | Football | The Guardian

wow, way too early imo, but i always find myself saying that. The city result could've been 2-0 or 6-0, it doesn't really matter. I mean, obv, 6-0 is a humiliation and serious questions need to be asked, but spurs' defence has proved to be good this season and they have loads of new players. AVB needs to adapt to them and they need to adapt to spurs and prem.

i do rate avb tho, but he's a less good version of mourinho and i have question marks over mourinho. Too rigid, too inflexible, too defensive.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-27-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fancylad

how old is he now?

Defoe is only 31.

5 years older than Defoe. Also a much bigger name. Could continue playing at the top level if he wanted to but given his age and what he's done - not necessary.

pzabby · 11-27-2013, 05:36 PM

eh. don't think defoe will do well at all in the MLS. his style isn't suited to the league. whatever, i'm glad to be done with him if he does leave. He's a true yiddo for his accomplishments but too selfish of a player. He plays for himself, not the team.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-28-2013, 12:33 AM

I would hope he does well in a league that is at best equal to 2nd divisions in Italy, England, Germany or Spain.

**fancylad** · 11-28-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!!

5 years older than Defoe. Also a much bigger name. Could continue playing at the top level if he wanted to but given his age and what he's done - not necessary.

Why would toronto even want to sign him? And you even implied that he would cost more in your earlier post. This would be a terrible signing if it played out like that.

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Originally Posted by pzabby

eh. don't think defoe will do well at all in the MLS. his style isn't suited to the league. whatever, i'm glad to be done with him if he does leave. He's a true yiddo for his accomplishments but too selfish of a player. He plays for himself, not the team.

LOL. such a jaded response with so little accuracy.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-28-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fancylad

Why would toronto even want to sign him? And you even implied that he would cost more in your earlier post. This would be a terrible signing if it played out like that.

LOL. such a jaded response with so little accuracy.

I'll admit that my own self-interests drive the proposal.

Well transfer fee wise he would cost next to nothing compared to the 10-15 million euros or so spent on Defoe and Gilardino.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-28-2013, 02:59 PM

Night of the Spartan - MARCA.com (English version)

Great game yesterday and he was a large part of that. Players like him often get ignored but their importance cannot be ignored. The game is more than just offense or aesthetics, it's also about doing what you have to, playing within yourself and just being dependable. Even with Carvajal breathing down his neck he's still maintained the starting spot both clubwise and in the international setup. Defensive RBs and LBs are a dying breed.

pzabby · 11-28-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fancylad

Why would toronto even want to sign him? And you even implied that he would cost more in your earlier post. This would be a terrible signing if it played out like that.

LOL. such a jaded response with so little accuracy.

mind expanding? tough to swallow an insult to my post without being provided any backup....

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11-17-2013, 05:02 PM	#8941 (permalink)
arsonal ibra the great Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Brampton Posts: 478 Representing:	marco reus to liverpool!

11-19-2013, 03:47 PM	#8943 (permalink)
rb brasil! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Vaughan Posts: 928 Representing:	going to the brazil-chile game today!

11-24-2013, 06:43 PM	#8944 (permalink)
pzabby and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4! Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 6,876 Representing:	Well fuck. Not sure if I want avb gone now. I'm generally very very cautious in wanting someone sacked but this is getting to be ridiculous. I didn't expect a win. Nor even did I think we have to at least get the draw. But 6-0 is too rough of a score line. Avb got the team selection and tactics completely wrong

11-25-2013, 03:47 PM	#8947 (permalink)
Claudius contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 10,017 Representing:	The players are definitely to blame for that loss. There was a point where I saw Paulinho throw a small fit on the pitch and I just shook my head. Lamela look disinterested and just mediocre. AVB, I think shoulders some blame because it looked like he just let him players out there to flounder. I mean, they weren't even competitive. I haven't seen Spurs not compete like that in a long, long, time. Oh and that joke of a free-kick in the first half where you had half the squad talking about who was taking it. It was both sad and funny to watch. Regarding the lack of goals, I've seen it at Arsenal last season when we lost RVP. You can try to replace a player with a bunch of really quality players, but what sets apart the truly special ones is the attention they require and the space they create. Losing Bale hurt not because of goal production but because of the attention he required. Someone needs to grab the reigns (Soldado?) and help alleviate some pressure off their teammates otherwise they'll continue pressing. They're still in the hunt though....

11-25-2013, 09:56 PM	#8948 (permalink)
pzabby and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4! Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 6,876 Representing:	well said both of you. I do agree with the blame also being put on the players as some of them were truly shocking (vertonghen, kaboul, walker, paulinho, holtby). some players gave it their all those which is a shame given how the team was (sando, dembele) that being said AVB is worrying me. players aren't happy and there are rumblings of dressing room altercations. granted given our recent run of games I can see people would be frustrated but people are getting mad about the ade situation (walker defending him apparantly), and the offence being too fixed. I'll support him but I haven't felt this uneasy since redknapp and the whole FA charade

11-26-2013, 08:52 AM	#8949 (permalink)
Claudius contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 10,017 Representing:	Who knows what Vertonghen was doing in that game...he was baffling. I have no problem with a RB/LB pushing up the pitch but you have to get back into position. He was just everywhere. AVB hasn't impressed me. He seems far too rigid in his tactics and gameplan and isn't encouraging the players to just play. Again, that's what it looks like to me. He needs to let the creativity flow if you will but have the correct players on the pitch. From what I saw, having both Sandro and Dembele on the pitch at the same time would, I think, create enough space for players like Paulinho, Lamela and Soldado to be offensive players and maintain the ball in the final third of the pitch. I do think though that someone in the MF needs to help the move towards goal. Eriksen while a very good player, looks very apprehensive out there.

11-27-2013, 07:18 AM	#8950 (permalink)
fancylad blah! nosce te ipsum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: east side. Posts: 14,625 Representing:	Sounds like Jermaine Defoe is going to be signing with Toronto FC. not official, but it's all over the media. This would definitely be a big time signing to help their feeble cause. Now if they could somehow land an attacking mid to compliment him and Laba? would be nice.

11-27-2013, 02:07 PM	#8953 (permalink)
LKeet6 Likes raw prospects with a great work ethic... Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Liverpool (UK) Posts: 1,853 Representing:	André Villas-Boas on brink of losing Tottenham Hotspur job \| Football \| The Guardian wow, way too early imo, but i always find myself saying that. The city result could've been 2-0 or 6-0, it doesn't really matter. I mean, obv, 6-0 is a humiliation and serious questions need to be asked, but spurs' defence has proved to be good this season and they have loads of new players. AVB needs to adapt to them and they need to adapt to spurs and prem. i do rate avb tho, but he's a less good version of mourinho and i have question marks over mourinho. Too rigid, too inflexible, too defensive.

11-27-2013, 05:36 PM	#8955 (permalink)
pzabby and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4! Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 6,876 Representing:	eh. don't think defoe will do well at all in the MLS. his style isn't suited to the league. whatever, i'm glad to be done with him if he does leave. He's a true yiddo for his accomplishments but too selfish of a player. He plays for himself, not the team.

11-28-2013, 12:33 AM	#8956 (permalink)
LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! La Decima!!!!! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,223 Representing:	I would hope he does well in a league that is at best equal to 2nd divisions in Italy, England, Germany or Spain.

11-28-2013, 02:59 PM	#8959 (permalink)
LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! La Decima!!!!! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,223 Representing:	Night of the Spartan - MARCA.com (English version) Great game yesterday and he was a large part of that. Players like him often get ignored but their importance cannot be ignored. The game is more than just offense or aesthetics, it's also about doing what you have to, playing within yourself and just being dependable. Even with Carvajal breathing down his neck he's still maintained the starting spot both clubwise and in the international setup. Defensive RBs and LBs are a dying breed.