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Old 10-25-2013, 12:27 PM   #8921 (permalink)
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On another note, I'm very curious to see if Llorente leaves Juventus.
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So they have quasi depth at the back 4 but they concede a lot nonetheless.

Podolski is more of a wideforward/wing than CF.
"quasi depth" nice. they have depth. they concede more than they should, partly due to tactics, but 9 goals conceded in 8 games is hardly something to worry about.

podolski has always been a striker who could play out wide. at arsenal it's been more the other way round, but he'd be first in to replace giroud if he got injured. career record of well over 100 goals in club football and over 40 for germany. not bad for a wide player.

i feel like i support arsenal the amount i have to stick up for them!
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LGR said all that I would have wanted to say.

except this: adebayor has been injured most of the season. he'll work his way back. remember the chelsea spurs game near the end of last season? yeah he's still got it. and he had similar form for the last several games. it wasn't just a one off

defoe can keep his own in the epl. sure he's no aguero but he's scored plenty and his movement has gotten much better and selfishness decreased. he showed that in the first half of last season. he isn't a viable first option for a season, but we don't need him to be. we're talking here if soldado is injured *knock on wood*
what can i say dude, you're a huge optimist, great.

i'm never overly-negative on LFC and i hate fans who are, mostly coz they talk shit. I try to see the positive but i'm nowhere as generous as you! is there anything you're worried about!? any problems!? or are you gonna win the league with over 100pts!?
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Old 10-25-2013, 01:24 PM   #8924 (permalink)
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"quasi depth" nice. they have depth. they concede more than they should, partly due to tactics, but 9 goals conceded in 8 games is hardly something to worry about.

podolski has always been a striker who could play out wide. at arsenal it's been more the other way round, but he'd be first in to replace giroud if he got injured. career record of well over 100 goals in club football and over 40 for germany. not bad for a wide player.

i feel like i support arsenal the amount i have to stick up for them!
Well it is kind of something to worry about.

Aren't him and the OX out for a while though?

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what can i say dude, you're a huge optimist, great.

i'm never overly-negative on LFC and i hate fans who are, mostly coz they talk shit. I try to see the positive but i'm nowhere as generous as you! is there anything you're worried about!? any problems!? or are you gonna win the league with over 100pts!?
no. but spurs getting over 80 points this season and coming third or even second is definitely possible in my eyes, and shouldn't be hard to fathom for non-spurs fans either. i'm looking at it objectively. our squad at this point only has one weak point, and that's lb. we have one of the most complete squads in the league
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no. but spurs getting over 80 points this season and coming third or even second is definitely possible in my eyes, and shouldn't be hard to fathom for non-spurs fans either. i'm looking at it objectively. our squad at this point only has one weak point, and that's lb. we have one of the most complete squads in the league
i can totally see you getting 80pts and finishing 2nd or 3rd. not trying to be a dick, but i've seen your posts in the last few months and you really don't seem objective to me. Not gonna go back over stuff but thinking adebayor still has something to offer would be an example! coz AVB certainly doesn't seem to (training with the reserves.)

my worries with spurs would be are they totally getting AVB's message (mostly seem to be but just like rodgers at LFC, signs of it still being a way off as well.) time for new signings to gel, and will they adapt to prem (i wouldn't be too worried about that but i'd certainly be circumspect about it.) and again, up front soldado should be good, but isn't there yet and i don't like defoe, even when he's scoring goals it unbalances the side imo, bball term would be "black hole." And i'm not sure about your defence yet. LFC have the best defensive options in the league and our defence is still worrying me.

squad strength isn't everything, far from it. There is PLENTY of precedent of teams buying loads of players and it not making a difference or making them worse. I don't think that will happen with spurs, just saying. 5th is as likely as 2nd imo. as i said, 4th is my prediction, which would be a very good result for you in this hyper-competitive season.

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i went to the liverpool game today and chatted to a few people about our prospects and the prospects of our rivals. Now pzabby do not take this as an attack on spurs, i still think you may well have a very good season and at this point i'd say it's more likely than not you'll finish above liverpool, but people i was chatting to refined my thoughts on what spurs are lacking. It's leadership. Who are your dominant players? the ones who lead by example but also the ones who lead vocally? Dawson is a good captain, but not particularly vocal, who else is there? even with extensive international experience to bring to the table?

every top team needs leaders. The ones who can take over a game, and/or be vocal with team-mates, especially young players, and/or physically dominate a game and bring it back over to your side.

when i was talking about is AVB's message getting across that's what i was getting at. You've got a lot of young players, no real vocal leaders. What happens when players mess up? what happens when you have a bad half, AVB gets his message across in the dressing room, who keeps that message going on the pitch? There's a lack of control. Not ability control, not possession play, psychological control; i get the feeling in some games, things can unravel with spurs.

all the other top teams in the prem have at least 2 or 3 players who are what i just described, strong, experienced, dominant type players. The closest to spurs in terms of lacking that is probably arsenal to be fair.

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i can totally see you getting 80pts and finishing 2nd or 3rd. not trying to be a dick, but i've seen your posts in the last few months and you really don't seem objective to me. Not gonna go back over stuff but thinking adebayor still has something to offer would be an example! coz AVB certainly doesn't seem to (training with the reserves.)

my worries with spurs would be are they totally getting AVB's message (mostly seem to be but just like rodgers at LFC, signs of it still being a way off as well.) time for new signings to gel, and will they adapt to prem (i wouldn't be too worried about that but i'd certainly be circumspect about it.) and again, up front soldado should be good, but isn't there yet and i don't like defoe, even when he's scoring goals it unbalances the side imo, bball term would be "black hole." And i'm not sure about your defence yet. LFC have the best defensive options in the league and our defence is still worrying me.

squad strength isn't everything, far from it. There is PLENTY of precedent of teams buying loads of players and it not making a difference or making them worse. I don't think that will happen with spurs, just saying. 5th is as likely as 2nd imo. as i said, 4th is my prediction, which would be a very good result for you in this hyper-competitive season.

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i went to the liverpool game today and chatted to a few people about our prospects and the prospects of our rivals. Now pzabby do not take this as an attack on spurs, i still think you may well have a very good season and at this point i'd say it's more likely than not you'll finish above liverpool, but people i was chatting to refined my thoughts on what spurs are lacking. It's leadership. Who are your dominant players? the ones who lead by example but also the ones who lead vocally? Dawson is a good captain, but not particularly vocal, who else is there? even with extensive international experience to bring to the table?

every top team needs leaders. The ones who can take over a game, and/or be vocal with team-mates, especially young players, and/or physically dominate a game and bring it back over to your side.

when i was talking about is AVB's message getting across that's what i was getting at. You've got a lot of young players, no real vocal leaders. What happens when players mess up? what happens when you have a bad half, AVB gets his message across in the dressing room, who keeps that message going on the pitch? There's a lack of control. Not ability control, not possession play, psychological control; i get the feeling in some games, things can unravel with spurs.

all the other top teams in the prem have at least 2 or 3 players who are what i just described, strong, experienced, dominant type players. The closest to spurs in terms of lacking that is probably arsenal to be fair.
whilst I agree with you in terms of what you're saying is important, dawson is a great leader. and he actually is very vocal. Last season, and moreso before that it was scotty P, but Dawson stepped up. Personally I believe the next in line is Vertonghen. immensely talented, experienced, and now starting to get more vocal
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:28 PM   #8928 (permalink)
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Why are Xavi, Pirlo & Mourinho nominated? The Ballon d?Or is decided on reputation - Goal.com

I agree. Sneijder not winning for his performances with Inter and Holland in 2010 was criminal. For 2012, I'd say CR7, Iniesta, Pirlo or even David Silva could have won it. However, there is some justification (the goal record).

This year it has to go to who was Bayern Munchen's best player. There's no way around it. Ribery should get it.

And yes I do agree that the award(s) and nominees should be based on the year they performed so if they didn't win much then they better have insane stats.
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9 goals in 10 games, only 5 from open play, in the league

we are still 4th, and on level points with second, so just goes to show how incredible the defence is. but our games have been bland. We need to score more. AVB needs to replace one of the holding midfielders with a more creative one
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Why are Xavi, Pirlo & Mourinho nominated? The Ballon d?Or is decided on reputation - Goal.com

I agree. Sneijder not winning for his performances with Inter and Holland in 2010 was criminal. For 2012, I'd say CR7, Iniesta, Pirlo or even David Silva could have won it. However, there is some justification (the goal record).

This year it has to go to who was Bayern Munchen's best player. There's no way around it. Ribery should get it.

And yes I do agree that the award(s) and nominees should be based on the year they performed so if they didn't win much then they better have insane stats.
agree with your point about sneijder, but not ribery. What has winning things got to do with anything? unless they made an average side win something. wes brown has won loads! so has phil neville. Teams win titles, individuals win awards for outstanding performances, no matter how their team has done.

ribery is a very fine player, there were a few better than him last season tho imo.

don't really like the b'allon d'or anyway. it's basically "champions league player of the year." what about someone like hamsik? had an outstanding season.
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agree with your point about sneijder, but not ribery. What has winning things got to do with anything? unless they made an average side win something. wes brown has won loads! so has phil neville. Teams win titles, individuals win awards for outstanding performances, no matter how their team has done.

ribery is a very fine player, there were a few better than him last season tho imo.

don't really like the b'allon d'or anyway. it's basically "champions league player of the year." what about someone like hamsik? had an outstanding season.
The reason why most people say Ribery is because the award should go to the best player on the best team. Bayern won a treble.

Yeah, Hamsik had a great season but Napoli did not win anything. The award typically goes to (or at least it should go to) the best player on the best team.

What does team performance have to do with anything? Well, kind of a lot considering it's a team game. In the NBA the MVP award go to the best player on either the best team in the East or West.

Ozil had a great season too statistically so what about him? What about Bale? How about the Fro? Hell Michu a few years ago had the most goals of any midfielder in La Liga for a team that barely escaped regulation.

Average sides don't really win anything or anything of note.

That's how the award is and it's not that bad because the UCL is the 2nd biggest football competition.
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9 goals in 10 games, only 5 from open play, in the league

we are still 4th, and on level points with second, so just goes to show how incredible the defence is. but our games have been bland. We need to score more. AVB needs to replace one of the holding midfielders with a more creative one
Arsenal and Spurs should merge to form a mega team

Jokes but you can't be good in both areas - only Bayern can do that - in any generation.
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The reason why most people say Ribery is because the award should go to the best player on the best team. Bayern won a treble.

Yeah, Hamsik had a great season but Napoli did not win anything. The award typically goes to (or at least it should go to) the best player on the best team.

What does team performance have to do with anything? Well, kind of a lot considering it's a team game. In the NBA the MVP award go to the best player on either the best team in the East or West.

Ozil had a great season too statistically so what about him? What about Bale? How about the Fro? Hell Michu a few years ago had the most goals of any midfielder in La Liga for a team that barely escaped regulation.

Average sides don't really win anything or anything of note.

That's how the award is and it's not that bad because the UCL is the 2nd biggest football competition.
Yes I know it's a team game, that's why I underlined team in my comment.

The award is not for teams, it's for individuals. Hamsik is a better player than ribery, so is bale and probably ozil.

I understand you want the award to be given to the best player on the best team but you haven't given a reason. I've given a reason for my point, simply, the award is for individuals. Bayern having won stuff proves nothing about ribery.

For the record I believe it should probably be ronaldo who wins it, because he stayed at his top level and messi, by his own insane standards, slightly struggled.
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man u tomorrow, call me crazy but if we beat the defending champs then we are the team to beat this year.
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man u tomorrow, call me crazy but if we beat the defending champs then we are the team to beat this year.
at the moment, yes, you are. However, things change quickly, very quickly, as we can see by united's performance so far. it's a tight race at the top, much tighter than last year, so you better hope arsenal's defence doesn't lose its current form, and your holding midfielders keep playing way better than what they actually are, cause defensively your team already has holes, and that's with them playing out of their mind.

and we all know that offence is never fully maintained at this sort of level through 38 games....


DUN DUN DUN

well done to le arse so far though, i'll give them that
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spurs have had the most shots on target in the prem this season! that is an interesting stat.

but, the amateurs on "match of the day" have just said that shows spurs need to work on their finishing. So simplistic. anyone who's watched spurs this season has seen they've struggled to really break down teams and create great chances, in the box. Soldado has been so isolated. Too many long shots by spurs (townsend,) could account for a fair few shots on target. Also spurs have been so desperate late in games, due to struggling to score, i reckon a lot of shots have been them scatter-gunning shots at the goal. They certainly had way more shots in the 2nd half than first half today.

crazy weekend in the prem! city's away form is terrible!
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spurs have had the most shots on target in the prem this season! that is an interesting stat.

but, the amateurs on "match of the day" have just said that shows spurs need to work on their finishing. So simplistic. anyone who's watched spurs this season has seen they've struggled to really break down teams and create great chances, in the box. Soldado has been so isolated. Too many long shots by spurs (townsend,) could account for a fair few shots on target. Also spurs have been so desperate late in games, due to struggling to score, i reckon a lot of shots have been them scatter-gunning shots at the goal. They certainly had way more shots in the 2nd half than first half today.

crazy weekend in the prem! city's away form is terrible!
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crazy weekend in the prem! city's away form is terrible!
It's been a great weekend. only glitches were Man utd winning and that absolutely terrible penalty call that gave Chelsea a point. Otherwise weekend has been a treat!
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Yes I know it's a team game, that's why I underlined team in my comment.

The award is not for teams, it's for individuals. Hamsik is a better player than ribery, so is bale and probably ozil.

I understand you want the award to be given to the best player on the best team but you haven't given a reason. I've given a reason for my point, simply, the award is for individuals. Bayern having won stuff proves nothing about ribery.

For the record I believe it should probably be ronaldo who wins it, because he stayed at his top level and messi, by his own insane standards, slightly struggled.
Fair enough. Just think if you are the best player in the world you have to win a major trophy as it shows your worth to the team. If we start included other players for teams that did well over expectations in their own rights but weren't major players than guys like Isco and AG from Real Sociedad should be in the 23 man list or real contenders.

Although CR7 is deserving given his play - didn't win anything. I would like for him to get it but the game is ultimately about winning the biggest prizes and you can't be the best player in the world without winning something big.
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Ballon d'or is a joke. Even though I know a Juve player shouldn't win it its comical Pirlo is on the list. Pirlo isn't even the best juve midfielder lol. Vidal is clearly better and if u said Pogba is as well I wouldn't argue (thank u saf)
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