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Old 04-23-2013, 10:55 PM   #8021 (permalink)
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I've been saying for a while now that Barca needed a replacement for Puyol. Bartra clearly didn't make the cut this game but they were really really really hesitant in developing him this year. Many times Adriano and Busquets were selected above Bartra for CB. There's still hope for him though. Should've invested in a CB instead of Alexis Sanchez.

Also, I've heard Negredo might go to Dortmund.
they've needed a CB for years thats why I didn't understand them buying Song this season. They even have Mascherano at CB in some games.

only way Dortmund gets Negredo is if they can't afford a Dzeko transfer. German teams like players that are proven commodities in Bundesliga.

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I've been saying for a while now that Barca needed a replacement for Puyol. Bartra clearly didn't make the cut this game but they were really really really hesitant in developing him this year. Many times Adriano and Busquets were selected above Bartra for CB. There's still hope for him though. Should've invested in a CB instead of Alexis Sanchez.

Also, I've heard Negredo might go to Dortmund.
barca should have bought vertonghen
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if FFP goes through all the European leagues will look like Bundesliga at its present state. Only the teams with money will stay on top and buy the players from their domestic competitors.
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if FFP goes through all the European leagues will look like Bundesliga at its present state. Only the teams with money will stay on top and buy the players from their domestic competitors.
yes but those teams with sugar daddies will slowly die off if it is implemented correctly.

teams that spend what they earn can slowly build their way to the top with smart investments in young players with sell on value, youth system, increasing revenue, building a brand, etc.

pretty much what spurs have done since ENIC, lewis, and levy took over. consequently weve catupulted from consistent mid table finishes with the occasional cup run (from the 90s to late 00s) to consistent near top of the table finishes.

its all about money management
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they've needed a CB for years thats why I didn't understand them buying Song this season. They even have Mascherano at CB in some games.

only way Dortmund gets Negredo is if they can't afford a Dzeko transfer. German teams like players that are proven commodities in Bundesliga.
Oh I know. Yeah I also don't understand why they got Song. I think they thought of turning him into a CB.

Some games? More like a s**tload of games. He's (Mascherano) the immediate CB behind Pique and Puyol. That's why I ignored saying Mascherano cuz of how much he plays CB.

Ok but you never know. I'm very curious to see what Dortmund does in the offseason (ie.who they buy). Would Draxler be Gotze's "replacement"? Or they wouldn't deal with eachother given the rivalry?

Also - how much would C.Eriksen cost? It'll be interesting to see where he goes.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:46 PM   #8026 (permalink)
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if FFP goes through all the European leagues will look like Bundesliga at its present state. Only the teams with money will stay on top and buy the players from their domestic competitors.
Except that already happens (teams with money on top). The elite continue to be elite.
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yes but those teams with sugar daddies will slowly die off if it is implemented correctly.
don't see how the "sugar daddy teams" will die off. Chelsea are the second biggest revenue earners in the EPL, City is 3rd. Chelsea also has the best youth side and Europe and have spent a lot of money developing players, City is doing the same. So they will always have money to spend and a youth foundation.

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teams that spend what they earn can slowly build their way to the top with smart investments in young players with sell on value, youth system, increasing revenue, building a brand, etc.

its all about money management
Its worked out for Arsenal pretty well
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Except that already happens (teams with money on top). The elite continue to be elite.
just prevents teams going the Man City or PSG route. The top 10 teams will be the same top 10 for the foreseeable future.
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just prevents teams going the Man City or PSG route. The top 10 teams will be the same top 10 for the foreseeable future.
or the chelsea route. dont be selective in your memory my friend

chelsea does have a big revenue and theyre much more entrenched than city in terms og global brand because theyve had their sugar daddy for longer. so they wont be affected as much as city, or psg, etc, BUT chelsea does normally spend more than their revenues with infusions from abraovic and their wage structure is absurd and funded partly by abramovic here and there, just like most cash infused dynasties.

basically what im saying is the aim of the FFP is to stop teams from building extremely quickly through cash infusions ala city, psg, chelsea, and build rather the united way of building the actual CLUB in terms of revenue potential. which im all for. they just need to not leave any loopholes for the arabs to still infuse (and the russians )
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or the chelsea route. dont be selective in your memory my friend

chelsea does have a big revenue and theyre much more entrenched than city in terms og global brand because theyve had their sugar daddy for longer. so they wont be affected as much as city, or psg, etc, BUT chelsea does normally spend more than their revenues with infusions from abraovic and their wage structure is absurd and funded partly by abramovic here and there, just like most cash infused dynasties.

basically what im saying is the aim of the FFP is to stop teams from building extremely quickly through cash infusions ala city, psg, chelsea, and build rather the united way of building the actual CLUB in terms of revenue potential. which im all for. they just need to not leave any loopholes for the arabs to still infuse (and the russians )
United were built on a cash infusion in the late 80s. Liverpool was dominating them in the 70s and United got a rich owner that spent a lot of money. They didn't win the league title from 67 to 92.
So you're saying its okay to spend a lot of money if you did so in the late 20th century but it should be limited if you spend in the 21st century?
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United were built on a cash infusion in the late 80s. Liverpool was dominating them in the 70s and United got a rich owner that spent a lot of money. They didn't win the league title from 67 to 92.
So you're saying its okay to spend a lot of money if you did so in the late 20th century but it should be limited if you spend in the 21st century?
not nearly as much spent on united as abram did on chelsea or the sheik on city or the country on psg. (yes I did take inflation into account)


also: cash infusion leads to inflation, either on an entire economic scale, or an industry scale. with sooo many teams getting rich owners, and them all trying to outbid each other for players in wages and transfer fees, the market is becoming ridiculously over inflated, leading to an inflation in ticket, concession, merchandise price inflation. its not a sustainable model and will eventually lead to a collapse of the industry where player values and wages fall back down to earth once people stop paying the prices. this collapse could be more massive than the economic crisis in 08 in the states because of its larger money supply, and the fact that it will effect more of the world directly.

that is what FFP is trying to stop

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Old 04-24-2013, 01:15 AM   #8032 (permalink)
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United were built on a cash infusion in the late 80s. Liverpool was dominating them in the 70s and United got a rich owner that spent a lot of money. They didn't win the league title from 67 to 92.
So you're saying its okay to spend a lot of money if you did so in the late 20th century but it should be limited if you spend in the 21st century?
This - rich owner is a rich owner. Cash infusion is cash infusion. I actually don't mind the new sides that pop up with cash infusion and rich owners. It helps to battle the elite, established and old guard and it makes things interesting.
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does Fabregas still play for Barca? most games I watch he doesn't play
should've stayed at Arsenal
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does Fabregas still play for Barca? most games I watch he doesn't play
should've stayed at Arsenal
He should've started instead of Messi. If Messi wasn't 100% he shouldn't have started. They should've brought him off the bench in the 2nd half at some point.
I really hope he (Cesc) was injured and that's why he didn't play. Stayed at Arsenal??? He should've come to Real He's one of my favourite Spanish players. Can play practically anywhere in midfield and in attack. Imagine him, Ozil and Alonso on the pitch together - drools. And I think Real were willing to offer - I think it was either 80 million USD or euros for him. He's just too good.
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heres to hoping it is going to be a german classico at wembley

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Nice game

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Loved seeing both German giants destroy the Spanish clubs these past 2 days
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don't see how the "sugar daddy teams" will die off. Chelsea are the second biggest revenue earners in the EPL, City is 3rd. Chelsea also has the best youth side and Europe and have spent a lot of money developing players, City is doing the same. So they will always have money to spend and a youth foundation.



Its worked out for Arsenal pretty well
Chelsea has the best youth side in Europe? I've never remotely heard that before. If that was the case, England would have some prospects for their national team. How many Chelsea youth players who graduated are on the first team? I'd honestly love to know.

When I think of the BPL, I don't think of developing domestic youth talent and there's a reason for that. That hasn't been their model for a long time.
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Chelsea has the best youth side in Europe? I've never remotely heard that before. If that was the case, England would have some prospects for their national team. How many Chelsea youth players who graduated are on the first team? I'd honestly love to know.

When I think of the BPL, I don't think of developing domestic youth talent and there's a reason for that. That hasn't been their model for a long time.
I'm referring to this year. Chelsea beat Barcelona, Juventus, Arsenal and Aston Villa to win the NextGen Series (under 19 euro championship). Currently in the FA Youth Cup as well.
Most recent player to graduate was Ryan Bertrand but youth just became a focus 5 years ago. There are 20 youth players playing all around Europe on loan. I expect more youth players to play on the first team in the future.

Its true that BPL hasn't been focusing on youth in the. They've had the richest league for the past 5-10 years and with new money they want great players without having the patience to develop players.
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I'm referring to this year. Chelsea beat Barcelona, Juventus, Arsenal and Aston Villa to win the NextGen Series (under 19 euro championship). Currently in the FA Youth Cup as well.
Most recent player to graduate was Ryan Bertrand but youth just became a focus 5 years ago. There are 20 youth players playing all around Europe on loan. I expect more youth players to play on the first team in the future.

Its true that BPL hasn't been focusing on youth in the. They've had the richest league for the past 5-10 years and with new money they want great players without having the patience to develop players.
It definitely makes sense, but if the focus is so recent, I'd expect true results to come long term. The BPL has been so reliant on foreign money and players, I'm interested to see what comes of any youth movement and if FFP came into play.

I'd be leery however about stating that they have the best youth team, which I guess they do by winning that tournament. I'd be less than convinced they have the best youth prospects, as some of their main prospects Jeffrey Bruna and Mancienne are at least partly warming the bench with Hamburg in the Bundesliga, which isn't exactly at the top of Europe in terms of clubs.

Glad to hear that there is more of a focus on youth in England. That's been sorely lacking in years prior.
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