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Old 06-17-2010, 12:03 AM   #241 (permalink)
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So I'm curious what does Bayern have that Inter doesn't?

What does Lyon have that inter doesn't?

What does Man U have that inter doesn't?

So what is negative football?
I don't have an issue with Inter, I gave that as one of the examples and you took it personally ( assuming that you are Italian)..

My point is football at the end is a show bussiness;

If Greece wins the Euro 2004 just playing defense,

if Inter eliminates Barca playing hard core defense,

if New Zeland , South Africa, Switzerland getting the results they want without showing any offensive creativeness against Slovakia, Mexico and Spain

that is not a good sign for the future of the game, because the managers and players will continue to select to "lock down the opponent " rather than to create offense..

I like the upsets, too ,when they occur occasionally..But they are not upsets anymore if they start to become the routine.

Football is different than Basketball and American Football..In basketball and American Football defense is as good and valuable as offense however in soccer offense is the unique set increasing ratings and interest..And thats why UEFA and FIFA keep changing the rules to encourage offense and increase the amount of goals..

That's why we always mention Pele, Maradona, Messi etc first , Maldini, Roberto Carlos etc later..

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tough night for South African team and their fans.

that Suarez is a piece of work. Embarrassment to the sport IMO.
Fuck i hate seeing that type of crap in soccer. I feel for that keeper Khune.

Anyways, South Africa fall back down to earth. thud.
that was a foul, he was hit but he did over do it
it was a bad challenge because Suarez lost the ball and the goalie went after his legs
even if there wasn't a lot of contact, its the challenge that counts

in the end Uruguay played a lot better and deserved the 3 points

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Old 06-17-2010, 02:33 AM   #243 (permalink)
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I don't know how easy it would be. I suppose you could say it's part of the culture and as with a lot of sporting federations / leagues most of the people at the top are VERY weary of any change whatsoever.

The refs do card players for diving more and more which is a good start, but at the same time, it's not that easy to be call it always with confidence when dealing in real time. Things happen so fast, and that's why it can be hard to spot. The human element of officiating is something that i do like though.

Also it should be noted that diving and play acting are more prevalent in some parts of the world and you don't see it to that extent in most leagues/competitions. In England for example the level of 'toughness' for lack of a better term is way higher. Lots of the things you see called in world cup are not even batted at in the premiership. Especially the cards. I find here they give cards out for the most minor things. Like for some 50/50 jostling. or hell even a few unintentional handballs. wtf.
they could/should review after a game like they do in basketball and football sometimes they miss something and it could result in a suspension/fine for a player or they can see how many times Ronaldo dives
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I don't have an issue with Inter, I gave that as one of the examples and you took it personally ( assuming that you are Italian)..

My point is football at the end is a show bussiness;

If Greece wins the Euro 2004 just playing defense,

if Inter eliminates Barca playing hard core defense,

if New Zeland , South Africa, Switzerland getting the results they want without showing any offensive creativeness against Slovakia, Mexico and Spain

that is not a good sign for the future of the game, because the managers and players will continue to select to "lock down the opponent " rather than to create offense..

I like the upsets, too ,when they occur occasionally..But they are not upsets anymore if they start to become the routine.

Football is different than Basketball and American Football..In basketball and American Football defense is as good and valuable as offense however in soccer offense is the unique set increasing ratings and interest..And thats why UEFA and FIFA keep changing the rules to encourage offense and increase the amount of goals..

That's why we always mention Pele, Maradona, Messi etc first , Maldini, Roberto Carlos etc later..
but Barca and Chelsea won their leagues by scoring 100+ goals
Barca and Man U won the CL with good offense
Milan and Liverpool in Istanbul had a good offensive show
Spain won Euro 2008
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Old 06-17-2010, 03:50 AM   #245 (permalink)
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I don't have an issue with Inter, I gave that as one of the examples and you took it personally ( assuming that you are Italian)..

My point is football at the end is a show bussiness;

If Greece wins the Euro 2004 just playing defense,

if Inter eliminates Barca playing hard core defense,

if New Zeland , South Africa, Switzerland getting the results they want without showing any offensive creativeness against Slovakia, Mexico and Spain

that is not a good sign for the future of the game, because the managers and players will continue to select to "lock down the opponent " rather than to create offense..

I like the upsets, too ,when they occur occasionally..But they are not upsets anymore if they start to become the routine.

Football is different than Basketball and American Football..In basketball and American Football defense is as good and valuable as offense however in soccer offense is the unique set increasing ratings and interest..And thats why UEFA and FIFA keep changing the rules to encourage offense and increase the amount of goals..

That's why we always mention Pele, Maradona, Messi etc first , Maldini, Roberto Carlos etc later..
Perfect post. The "win at any cost" culture wich is the model its being used in soccer more and more everyday where creativity is punished and the easy way out is rewarded. Ultimate example being todays Brazil.
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whats wrong with Brazil? they attack and score goals
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If you think thats attacking then you havent seen brazil play much. They have left out 5 or 6 players who are much better than most of the ones that are there just to bring a more effective and defensive attitude. The joga bonito is dead, and many brazilians are not happy about it. Unless of course they win, because winning is all that counts.
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If you think thats attacking then you havent seen brazil play much. They have left out 5 or 6 players who are much better than most of the ones that are there just to bring a more effective and defensive attitude. The joga bonito is dead, and many brazilians are not happy about it. Unless of course they win, because winning is all that counts.
they don't attack like they use to but they still score goals, they're not like Greece, Swiss or any of those defense first, second, then maybe attack teams
they scored 2 goals against a totally defensive team, Spain scored 0
ppl say they play like Inter, who won and winning is #1

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seems to be a real barn burner between Argentina and S.Korea. Already 3 goals scored in the first half. 2 of them by Korea! ...unfortunately one being an own goal means Argies are winning 2-1.
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seems to be a real barn burner between Argentina and S.Korea. Already 3 goals scored in the first half. 2 of them by Korea! ...unfortunately one being an own goal means Argies are winning 2-1.
good game, can't complain about no attacking
Maradona put a bunch of attacking players on the field
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holy shit. Higuain going for the golden boot.

Korea still winning it all windex?
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holy shit. Higuain going for the golden boot.

Korea still winning it all windex?
they could and I never said they would win it all
I suggested Germany/S Korea final because they played the best games in the first round of play and was frustrated about the lack of goals from the good teams
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ya i never really thought you were serious when you said that. hence the winkie smiley. Although if you were.... uh oh.
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ya i never really thought you were serious when you said that. hence the winkie smiley. Although if you were.... uh oh.
just like when I said I could see S Africa winning the group
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I don't have an issue with Inter, I gave that as one of the examples and you took it personally ( assuming that you are Italian)..

My point is football at the end is a show bussiness;

If Greece wins the Euro 2004 just playing defense,

if Inter eliminates Barca playing hard core defense,

if New Zeland , South Africa, Switzerland getting the results they want without showing any offensive creativeness against Slovakia, Mexico and Spain

that is not a good sign for the future of the game, because the managers and players will continue to select to "lock down the opponent " rather than to create offense..

I like the upsets, too ,when they occur occasionally..But they are not upsets anymore if they start to become the routine.

Football is different than Basketball and American Football..In basketball and American Football defense is as good and valuable as offense however in soccer offense is the unique set increasing ratings and interest..And thats why UEFA and FIFA keep changing the rules to encourage offense and increase the amount of goals..

That's why we always mention Pele, Maradona, Messi etc first , Maldini, Roberto Carlos etc later..
Well the point is calling Inter negative football I think is appauling (not personal I hate Inter). You look at their roster its filled with great talents. They don't play sandbag football no where near the likes of Greece NT and all the others in World cup play.


Winning at all costs must be achieved their is alot of money on the line. Not all teams can go out there and just play offense at all costs. Real and Barce play "beautifully" because they can pay their players more than the rest of the world. Football is different to american football and basketball but almost EVERY sport in this universe tries to implement an offensive style by changing rules.

The fact of the matter is not all teams can poach like Barce and Real. Not all teams have a vat talent poll like the Dutch and Brasil (although their team this year is suspect).

Don't get me wrong I love watching Champions play. The likes of Maradona and Pele are unbelievable to watch. However; these champions have to face the structured style of the Germans, the win at all costs Italy and this will never change.

Centre Backs are valuable and can be appreciated as well. Nothing more joyful to me than to watch 2 way footy.
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I agree in part with what you are saying, but I dont think you need to be a rich club to play a more offensive style. And its not even about offense, is about balance. For me, the best part of football happends in the midfield. The villareal team that reached the semifinals and lost against arsenal is one of the teams I have seen play better in my life and their budget is pretty small. I dont think it has to be about money, is like I said before, I think is this new model that we are seeing now in so many teams in wich you have to do anything to win. And lets be realistic, playing good defense is easier and usually gets you better results.
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I agree in part with what you are saying, but I dont think you need to be a rich club to play a more offensive style. And its not even about offense, is about balance. For me, the best part of football happends in the midfield. The villareal team that reached the semifinals and lost against arsenal is one of the teams I have seen play better in my life and their budget is pretty small. I dont think it has to be about money, is like I said before, I think is this new model that we are seeing now in so many teams in wich you have to do anything to win. And lets be realistic, playing good defense is easier and usually gets you better results.
usually its teams that are worse who concentrate on defense like the Swiss against Spain, if they were playing a team like Algeria then they would attack more
its based on the opponent
that yellow submarine team was coached by the former Real boss right? he should have a job
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