UFC 94: St-Pierre vs. Penn 2 - Page 3
Old 01-31-2009, 09:14 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Fedor would destroy Penn, whoever says otherwise is a fool. But whoever said Penn is scared of GSP is a bigger fool.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:55 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Fedor would destroy Penn, whoever says otherwise is a fool. But whoever said Penn is scared of GSP is a bigger fool.
I agree... Penn has no chance against Fedor but he is still one of the best guys in the world and can beat GSP.
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Whatever.

I guess my opinion differs from yours.

In my eyes, the number 2 pound for pound in the world (BJ Penn) has what it takes to beat Fedor. Who said he'd have to take Fedor down? Fedor would OBVIOUSLY have a serious strength advantage, but BJ is used to that...GSP has a serious strength advantage too. The problem with BJ is it's impossible to keep him on the ground unless he wants it. Fedor can toss him all over the place but he wants nothing to do with BJ's ground game, he'll tap him out.

Trust me, Arlovski looked great in there showering Fedor with jabs. There's a reason Freddie Roach calls BJ Penn the best boxer in the MMA world.....you guys have to overlook the size and understand that alot of these fighters could face people of all weight divisions when they fight at a comfortable weight [165 for BJ].

But we're not even talking about a normal dude here.

If either of these guys win this fight in dramatic and dominant fashion, we're gonna have a new pound for pound king in the world...in my eyes.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:54 AM   #44 (permalink)
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then I guess you'll get your love for GSP back then
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then I guess you'll get your love for GSP back then
Don't get it confused old man.

GSP is one of the most unstoppable fighters in his own respect. While training with GSP, Randy said that he was taken down [by GSP] at will. It's not easy taking a guy like Couture down...shit Brock Lesnar couldn't even do it.

I think it's gonna be interesting to see who comes out and goes for the takedown right off the bat. The fight can go in a variety of ways, ideally I'd like to see BJ go for constant take downs and pressure GSP. Then again if GSP goes for the GnP I see Penn catching him with a triangle or armbar or something of that nature.

The great thing about the UFC now is that Dana cares more about having these mega-fights than just keeping the division rolling with contenders regularly getting shots. If GSP loses, he should make his way to 185 and start dominating there until he shits on Anderson Silva's face.
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Old 01-31-2009, 11:28 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Who is Royce Gracie fighting?
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Who is Royce Gracie fighting?
He'll be mourning the loss of his father and BJJ pioneer, Helio Gracie.
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Old 01-31-2009, 11:48 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Old 01-31-2009, 12:43 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Don't get it confused old man.

GSP is one of the most unstoppable fighters in his own respect. While training with GSP, Randy said that he was taken down [by GSP] at will. It's not easy taking a guy like Couture down...shit Brock Lesnar couldn't even do it.

I think it's gonna be interesting to see who comes out and goes for the takedown right off the bat. The fight can go in a variety of ways, ideally I'd like to see BJ go for constant take downs and pressure GSP. Then again if GSP goes for the GnP I see Penn catching him with a triangle or armbar or something of that nature.

The great thing about the UFC now is that Dana cares more about having these mega-fights than just keeping the division rolling with contenders regularly getting shots. If GSP loses, he should make his way to 185 and start dominating there until he shits on Anderson Silva's face.
Spider is the number 2 in the world imo, if you have Fedor 1st, BJ and GSP will settle who is 3rd tonight imo.

NO LW or WW in the world can move up to HW and beat a champion.
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Spider is the number 2 in the world imo, if you have Fedor 1st, BJ and GSP will settle who is 3rd tonight imo.

NO LW or WW in the world can move up to HW and beat a champion.
Spider may be 2nd on your list...but he ain't on mine.

Forgive me if I think BJ Penn has accomplished much more than Anderson.
Beating Sherk, Stevenson and GSP consecutively is absolutely monstrous. It's not just about who he beats, but how he beats them. If you ask me, I think either of Penn or GSP can kick Spider's ass.
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NO LW or WW in the world can move up to HW and beat a champion.
Dude.

Do you really think BJ Penn would get smoked in the LHW division?

Most fights wouldn't even be fair.
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:06 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Spider may be 2nd on your list...but he ain't on mine.

Forgive me if I think BJ Penn has accomplished much more than Anderson.
Beating Sherk, Stevenson and GSP consecutively is absolutely monstrous. It's not just about who he beats, but how he beats them. If you ask me, I think either of Penn or GSP can kick Spider's ass.
wow, considering i havent even seen Spider get challenged in the last couple years, and he has recently dismantled the likes of Hendo (considered the best 185ish fighter in pride history) and Rich Franklin, not to mention moving up and destroying Irvin... i dont know, i mean literally, nobody has even hurt him once or landed anything big in all those fights.

GSP will move up to get destroyed by Spider if he wins this fight. I think he would have a better chance then BJ simply because BJ wouldnt have his normal standup advantage vs Anderson, i dont think anybody hits harder then Anderson.

And no, i dont think BJ could go to 205 and be a contender, much less a champion. GSP could be a contender at 185 tho, but he wont beat Spider. Spider should move up to LHW, so many big fights there and he basically has destroyed his division.

On another note

LOCK OF THE NIGHT!!!! ------> too many Clay Guida fans out there willing to lose $ all the time, the guy is tough, fun and exciting, but he cant be a real contender or beat real contenders. Look for Diaz to submit him rather easily in the 2nd round. Diaz himself i could see as a future champ.
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wow, considering i havent even seen Spider get challenged in the last couple years, and he has recently dismantled the likes of Hendo (considered the best 185ish fighter in pride history) and Rich Franklin, not to mention moving up and destroying Irvin... i dont know, i mean literally, nobody has even hurt him once or landed anything big in all those fights.

GSP will move up to get destroyed by Spider if he wins this fight. I think he would have a better chance then BJ simply because BJ wouldnt have his normal standup advantage vs Anderson, i dont think anybody hits harder then Anderson.

And no, i dont think BJ could go to 205 and be a contender, much less a champion. GSP could be a contender at 185 tho, but he wont beat Spider. Spider should move up to LHW, so many big fights there and he basically has destroyed his division.
Dude, go back and do some research.

That's the very reason Anderson can't be #1. So he beat Franklin twice, beat Hendo after he lost the first round...He fought James fucking Irvin for god sakes, what a fucking tomato can...is that supposed to be a test? is that supposed to impress us? Cmon man, theres a laundry list of guys who deserve to fight Anderson again and stand a chance...Marquardt, Okami, Hendo [I'd bet my money he wins this time],...Fuck if Cote even lasted 3 rounds in there you don't think GSP would?

GSP has taken out Fitch, Serra, Hughes, Koscheck, Hughes, Penn and Sherk in his last 8 fights...That's fucking incredible. Best fighters in the WORLD.

You're overestimating Anderson Silva at this point man. He's been made to look good, I'm not saying that he's not incredible...but if you put other P4P kings in the cage with him it'll be a very different fight...
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:34 PM   #54 (permalink)
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well, cheer for GSP because it will happen down the road if he wins. I dont know what you mean about research but ok. Hughes is a shell of what he was, not even a real contender anymore, Serra is a fucking joke. I have respect for Sherk, but alot of his fights are CANS, look it up, every elite fighter he has fought he has lost. Koscheck i really like but he lost to Alves aswell. Penn..... do you really think he dominated him?? Watch it again, UFC scoring is BS.

I like how you dont mention his losses to Hughes and Serra.

Every legit p4p site in the world has Spider ranked above GSP and BJ, so i dont get why you would say to research about it?? You think you do more research then them?? Even Dana himself says Anderson is the best. Why build him up like that?? He doesnt speak english and is a terrible interview with no personality, UFC would be much better served building up a north american fighter. They only build up Anderson because he is the damn truth. He will retire champ, plain and simple, all those fighters you listed have no shot vs him. Its funny you would bet on Hendo, i hope it happens again, but it wont, i would like easy $, Hendo struggled to beat Rich. He fights for points not KOs, he will be KO'd again. The Cote fight went so long because Anderson was messing with him, trying to give the fans more of a show, he never even got hit. As for Irvin, that was a free show and he moved up to LHW and demolished a guy in under a min that some ppl thought had a chance to be top 10.

Seriously tho, did you just say you would take Hendo in a rematch? lol
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anyways, im not argueing with a guy that tells me to do research but in the same breath truely believes BJ has a shot str8 up against Fedor. We just see things very differently, time will tell.

I mean seriously, Fedors resume is like a go to list of the best HWs in the last 10 years, and he has no losses, yet you think BJ can gain 75 pounds and beat him?? Thats not just an opinion, thats borderline lunacy.

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Whatever.

I guess my opinion differs from yours.

In my eyes, the number 2 pound for pound in the world (BJ Penn) has what it takes to beat Fedor. Who said he'd have to take Fedor down? Fedor would OBVIOUSLY have a serious strength advantage, but BJ is used to that...GSP has a serious strength advantage too. The problem with BJ is it's impossible to keep him on the ground unless he wants it. Fedor can toss him all over the place but he wants nothing to do with BJ's ground game, he'll tap him out.

Trust me, Arlovski looked great in there showering Fedor with jabs. There's a reason Freddie Roach calls BJ Penn the best boxer in the MMA world.....you guys have to overlook the size and understand that alot of these fighters could face people of all weight divisions when they fight at a comfortable weight [165 for BJ].

But we're not even talking about a normal dude here.

If either of these guys win this fight in dramatic and dominant fashion, we're gonna have a new pound for pound king in the world...in my eyes.
Once again Gizz... you. are. high. lol....

WTF is BJ going to do with Fedor on the feet? Knock him out??? LMAO!! No fucking chance in hell!

It's not like Fedor has just beaten up on "tomato cans" his whole career.... he's fought the best that's been out there... the one exception being Randy Couture.

BJ is an incredibly skilled fighter.... but there's only so much that you can do when size and weight AND skill come into play. Why the hell do you think Lesnar was able to beat Couture?? It sure as hell wasn't because he "outskilled" him. He beat him because he was bigger and stronger and faster and there really wasn't much that Couture could do to Brock to nullify him.

Great boxing or not... great jiu-jitsu or not..... Fedor would crush BJ. Easily.

BJ might not even be good enough to beat Andersen Silva.... but at least I'd give him a 50/50 in THAT match.
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BJ Penn has 13 wins, 5 via submission (which for world class BJJ guys is low) and only 5 knockouts... he also has 4 loses and 1 draw.... besides Hughes he never knocked out anybody that has more then 155lbs... his standup is good but he is not a knockout guy with great power.

His wins are all against smaller guys or BJJ guys like Gracies... he recently beat Pulver and Hughe, both are way over the hill, he also beat Sherk who is little guy pumped on steroids and Stevenson who is another small guys...

He did beat Serra by decision... but Serra is another little BJJ guy who IMO is not that good... he got a lucky shoot and he got motivated for his fight against GSP... other then that he is nobody... nice guys but...

BTW... I actually think that he was great against GSP in their first march and could have won if he didn't run out of gas.
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lol well i got some supporters, except BJ would be 50/50 vs Anderson Silva?? Woah, he would get KO'd via knee in the 1st round everything else is acceptable tho
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I agree with Gizzle as far as Penn being very very competitive as high up as the MW division. He can easily be a top 3 welterweight. He's far and away the best LW. And he can be a maybe top 5 MW.

There is nothing that tells me that Cote or Leites can beat him (the last two MW title contenders) A Silva fight would be surprisingly competitive. BJ has a very very solid chin ... good head movement, great hands and amazing jiu jitsu. Not to mention his agility and flexibitity is unlike any other fighter in history.

I personally dont like him .... but his skills cant be questioned.

Now moving to the LHW and HW division is a bit of a stretch. MOST guys at LHW are basically heavyweights who cut at least 15-20pounds and fight at LHW. The reach, size and strength advatnage will be just too much to handle on most nights. I just dont see BJ doing ANYTHING to Rampage. He wont knock him out .... he wont take him down.

Heel hooks, knee bars, or foot locks would be the only way to go. HW is just a whole different beast.
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