UFC 94: St-Pierre vs. Penn 2 - Page 2
Old 01-30-2009, 03:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Penn is scared?

LOL

Sj, who the fuck do you think you're talking about. BJ Penn is a top 3 fighter in the world today. He's probably the guy with the best chance to beat Fedor. I hope Penn fucking handles GSP, I don't even like George that much anymore...

Although he does train with Jackson Submissions, he actually does the majority of his training at the Tristar gym in Montreal...I'm actually going to be stopping by there at the end of February for the XMMA show and I'll have a chance to go in and meet Faraz Sahabi [head trainer]...Hopefully GSP will be there so I can laugh at him for losing to BJ Penn...He should be cornering Mike Ricci in his fight at the show.

Anyways, it should be an exciting card, although I don't think Machida vs Silva is a PPV headliner, but it will be a great fight. Unforunately Machida doesn't really draw [at least yet] so I can see the hesitation with giving him a title shot. Guy is scary though.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Penn is a great talent but he gets lazy from time to time, is not always in condition he should be and is best suited for 155lbs.

IMO, GSP is a favorite but since both are world's top fighters it's anybody's fight.

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Old 01-30-2009, 03:35 PM   #23 (permalink)
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i agree with most of that cortez, except, beat fedor lol come on, bj would have to join like 60 odd pounds, he would get annilated.

But as i said, when it comes to natural talent without hard work or effort (which you have to admit, is BJs biggest weakness, showing up out of shape, coasting by on talent, if you think about it, he is like the Vince Carter of MMA in a way, except he has the chance to still become the greatest) BJ is the best ive ever seen, on that criteria alone. The problem is, who trains harder then GSP, who has better cardio + the fact for my $ he is the best wrestler in all of MMA (no small feat). Its a good combo. This to me is literally a fight of two of the top 5 pound for pound fighters in the world, a dream matchup, sit back relax and enjoy

I wont be surprised either way this one ends up, the only surprise i could get is if GSP KOd BJ early or submitted him anytime. Or if BJ outwrestled and out cardio GSP, but i dont see any of that happening.

Oh and remember, i called it, Silva by brutal GnP, 2nd round

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Old 01-30-2009, 03:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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IMO... best MMA fighters, pound for pound, in the world today are:

Fedor, GSP, Penn & Silva... nobody else comes even close.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:41 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I know many will say im a nutjob, but i think Evans is on the list baby!!! He has beaten some good fighters in the best division in all of MMA and is the champ of said division, i wouldnt rank him above any of the ones you listed, but i think he is in the conversation, and if he can string together a couple of defenses, he has the chance to leap frog a few names.
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I know many will say im a nutjob, but i think Evans is on the list baby!!! He has beaten some good fighters in the best division in all of MMA and is the champ of said division, i wouldnt rank him above any of the ones you listed, but i think he is in the conversation, and if he can string together a couple of defenses, he has the chance to leap frog a few names.
Evans is good... better then good but he would be great if he dropped to 185lbs... so far he managed to beat Chuck, who is a shell of a fighter he was, Griffin, who's best asset is ability to absorb punches, and bunch of guys called 'who?'... he struggled with Tito and Bisping.
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:13 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Evans is up there.

You can't doubt it.

But you're missing some CRUCIAL names...

Miguel Torres anyone?

And Ugo, I really think he'd be able to stand the best chance at Fedor. He's fought much heavier guys in the passed and he's shat on bigger people in BJJ competitions. He'd give Fedor a tough fucking fight in my eyes.

AND BTW!!!

Everybody get ready for a DREAM matchup...

Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto to be taking on Urijah Faber in what could be the fight of the year. That would be one of the best fights of all time if built right.
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:30 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Evans might on my list by the end of this year.

Fedor puts down 230+lbs guys easy so I don't think that Penn has a chance even if he puts on the weight.

Miguel Torres is great and I would love to see him in UFC.

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Old 01-30-2009, 04:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Evans might on my list by the end of this year.

Fedor puts down 230+lbs guys easy so I don't think that Penn has a chance even if he puts on the weight.

Miguel Torres is great and I would love to see him in UFC.
Thing is...Nobody that Fedor puts down has half the skill that BJ does.

Don't underestimate him, he can beat anybody.
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Thing is...Nobody that Fedor puts down has half the skill that BJ does.

Don't underestimate him, he can beat anybody.
I am not underestimating Penn but Fedor is a judo/sambo guy and more then capable of dealing with a BJJ guy... even a great guy like Penn who on the other hand, will not be able to absorb Fedor's punches.

Vinny Magalhaes, 6'3" 205 lbs world champion BJJ guy got destroyed by Ryan Bader, who is not even close to what Fedor is.

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Old 01-30-2009, 04:58 PM   #31 (permalink)
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lol penn cant move up and fight lesnar, nevermind fedor.... but he is def in the pound for pound talk and maybe on top soon.

I mean think about what you are saying, if BJ could beat Fedor, he could literally hold every belt from 155 on up?? I think you are severely overestimating his chances (i have him at 0% chance to beat Fedor, and maybe 1% lesnar :P)
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lol penn cant move up and fight lesnar, nevermind fedor.... but he is def in the pound for pound talk and maybe on top soon.

I mean think about what you are saying, if BJ could beat Fedor, he could literally hold every belt from 155 on up?? I think you are severely overestimating his chances (i have him at 0% chance to beat Fedor, and maybe 1% lesnar :P)
I didn't say he should go up and fight everyone for each belt.

I'm saying he has, in my opinion, one of the best if not the best chance at beating Fedor amongst all of the active fighters.
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lol again, i respectfully disagree, i think he has no chance, whereas AA had a chance (i even bet on him at 4 to 1 :P) but made a fatal mistake, but you have to admit looked great up til that point. Josh Barnett will be an interesting matchup, and of course, a more seasoned Lesnar in a couple years, and even Frank Mir, would all have better chances imo, it's just too much weight to give up, no matter how talented he is.

Either way, we all agree the guy is a true natural born MMA Champion.
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Old 01-30-2009, 05:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I didn't say he should go up and fight everyone for each belt.

I'm saying he has, in my opinion, one of the best if not the best chance at beating Fedor amongst all of the active fighters.
Gizz... you know I got love for ya man but you're high if you think BJ Penn could stand up to Fedor. This guy puts down 250 lb. beasts on the regular... and you think that a guy almost 100 lbs less is going to stand a chance???

BJ is skilled as hell.... but this isn't Tim Sylvia that he'd be fighting. Fedor knows his shit and he'd throw BJ around and tenderize him like a slab of meat. BJ's only chance would be to get a lucky submission... and considering that Nog (in his prime) couldn't submit Fedor... I wouldn't like his chances.
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lol Big Tim would crush BJ too, you just cant gain 75 pounds and be the same fighter. Or expect taking a bigshot from a powerful HW is the same as a WW.
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lol Big Tim would crush BJ too, you just cant gain 75 pounds and be the same fighter. Or expect taking a bigshot from a powerful HW is the same as a WW.
I'd give BJ a chance against Tim simply because he's so much faster than him and 2376298735932 X more skilled.

BJ would get destroyed though by the top light heavies even... Rashad.. Quentin... Forrest... I wouldn't bet on BJ in any of those fights.

If BJ wins this fight I would LOVE for him and Anderson to meet in the middle and lace 'em up.
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Big Tim gets no love because he is boring as hell, but he would KO BJ real fast. He has been a top 5 or champion HW for the last what, 6 years?? I know ppl hate him but lol
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I'd give BJ a chance against Tim simply because he's so much faster than him and 2376298735932 X more skilled.

BJ would get destroyed though by the top light heavies even... Rashad.. Quentin... Forrest... I wouldn't bet on BJ in any of those fights.

If BJ wins this fight I would LOVE for him and Anderson to meet in the middle and lace 'em up.
It sucks that you think that my friend.

BJ can beat anybody he wants. He's too good at absolutely everything.

Best boxer...Epic Jiu-Jitsu...Uncanny flexibility...

He also just happens to be one of the toughest fighters on the planet, whether you like his brash, laid back style or not. He'd come in at 165 and give Fedor the fight of his life.
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It sucks that you think that my friend.

BJ can beat anybody he wants. He's too good at absolutely everything.

Best boxer...Epic Jiu-Jitsu...Uncanny flexibility...

He also just happens to be one of the toughest fighters on the planet, whether you like his brash, laid back style or not. He'd come in at 165 and give Fedor the fight of his life.
Penn is a world class BJJ guy and he has a solid stand up but he only knocked out 5 guys in his life so no chance he knocks out Fedor or any of the heavyweights... he would also struggle to bring any of these guys down... not because they are big (Penn can bring down any normal 200+lbs guy) but because they are big and also skilled.

Have in mind that Fedor is a not only world class Judoka but very experienced MMA champ so he would not only be able to avoid most takedown attempts that Penn would try but he would also throw Penn down like he is a feather.

Penn, on the other hand, has no clue how to defend from Judo throws... also Penn is much lighter and weaker then Fedor so as soon as they would clinch Penn would find himself on the floor with 230lbs killer at top of his lungs... Judo throws are not only more powerful then a BJJ takedown but also less known in the MMA.
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It sucks that you think that my friend.

BJ can beat anybody he wants. He's too good at absolutely everything.

Best boxer...Epic Jiu-Jitsu...Uncanny flexibility...

He also just happens to be one of the toughest fighters on the planet, whether you like his brash, laid back style or not. He'd come in at 165 and give Fedor the fight of his life.
You're out in left field Cortez.

Enjoy the fight, your dicision to shit all over GSP was the wrong one.

Penn is done. Already done.

But I would like to be there when yuou decide to laugh at him. You misinterpret his decison to carry himself with respect and a little professionalism a a weekness, as if talking like a douchebag makes you tough.

Anyone can talk like Penn.
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