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Ugo Ferst 11-20-2008 07:59 PM

The truth about Fedor
 
He has been dodging good competition for years and took a perfect matchup in Big Tim and is still considered the best there is? When is the last time he fought anybody? If he wants to make a statement, stop bitching about $ and fight Brock or Nog or someone that has fought and won signifigant matches in the last 2 years or plz stfu, just saw an interview with him calling out Brock, love him or hate him, Brock hasnt dodged anybody, infact he hasnt had an easy match in the UFC yet and his next match definately wont be, im sick of Fedor and his fans who claim him to be untouchable while he dodges any fight or fighter of repute. Lets see him against Arvoloski (who isnt the same as he used to be imo) and Barnett before we crown him best at anything but self promotion, thx for your time ;)

Tommy2Tymes 11-20-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst (Post 78313)
He has been dodging good competition for years and took a perfect matchup in Big Tim and is still considered the best there is? When is the last time he fought anybody? If he wants to make a statement, stop bitching about $ and fight Brock or Nog or someone that has fought and won signifigant matches in the last 2 years or plz stfu, just saw an interview with him calling out Brock, love him or hate him, Brock hasnt dodged anybody, infact he hasnt had an easy match in the UFC yet and his next match definately wont be, im sick of Fedor and his fans who claim him to be untouchable while he dodges any fight or fighter of repute. Lets see him against Arvoloski (who isnt the same as he used to be imo) and Barnett before we crown him best at anything but self promotion, thx for your time ;)

last time i checked, he beat nog twice. do yourself a favor and read up on fedor's demands, and then counter that with the UFC's demands. and then take a look at what the UFC(Dana) is trying to do with these video games they are coming out with, in regards to fighters signing over their likeness forever.

If tim sylvia was the ufc heavyweight champ, and fedor demolished him in 36 seconds, what does that say about the ufc? and please dont come back and say that tim sylvia is a shitty fighter, because hes obviously good enough to be a HW champion

until then, i am gonna ignore your posts

Ugo Ferst 11-20-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy2Tymes (Post 78353)
last time i checked, he beat nog twice. do yourself a favor and read up on fedor's demands, and then counter that with the UFC's demands. and then take a look at what the UFC(Dana) is trying to do with these video games they are coming out with, in regards to fighters signing over their likeness forever.

If tim sylvia was the ufc heavyweight champ, and fedor demolished him in 36 seconds, what does that say about the ufc? and please dont come back and say that tim sylvia is a shitty fighter, because hes obviously good enough to be a HW champion

until then, i am gonna ignore your posts

Who has Fedor fought in the last 2 years? Big Tim?? I have respect for Tim, but thats an ideal matchup for Fedor, Tim couldnt even beat Randy, Brock would own Tim, so plz dont go there.

Im not saying Fedor is nothing, he is definately a great fighter, but to continue be regarded as the best you need to *GASP* FIGHT... you cant just rely on fights that happened 4 years ago to keep you atop the rankings, he needs to put up or shut up. I can spew off a massive list of the cans Fedor has fought and a small list of the truely great fighters that he beat (btw almost all by decision), he is definately a great fighter, but he needs to fight the best and stop crying about contracts others are taking, while he takes a contract at Affliction that isnt so great itself in a 2nd rate organization.

As far as the video game stuff goes... UFC has the American market on lock, Fitch resigned with them a few hours ago and realizes there isnt much he can do about it atm, he made 180k for his fight vs GSP... not great $ but lets be serious, its not peanuts either. Im growing tired of Fedor fans just simply putting "Fedor would own this guy, KO that guy" etc etc etc, when the fact is, he hasnt fought anyone in years and really never dominated a true HW great.

Tommy2Tymes 11-20-2008 09:52 PM

who in your opinion is a "true HW great"?

10gizzle 11-20-2008 09:59 PM

Are you kidding me?

Fedor can do whatever the fuck he wants at this point.

He's beaten almost every notable heavyweight on the planet. He's been chilling as an undefeated Sambo champion for the last 8 years[just lost his 1st fight recently]. He destroyed Tim Sylvia in the amount of time it takes you to rub one out. He hasn't lost an MMA fight in his entire career [except a no contest and a cut on his face]. He trains one of the strongest camps in the world with the Moscow based Red Devil Sport club, including Gegard Mousasi and Aleksander Emelianenko.

Now tell me, why the hell does Fedor at this point need to go out of his way to accommodate anyone. He's already #1.

Who does he have to appease...he has nothing to prove. He'll ravage Arlovski, have a good, but dominant match against Barnett. Brock isn't nearly ready to face Fedor, nor is anyone else in the UFC [except for Nogueira, but I don't even think he needs to fight him anymore]

The only person who'd probably wanna fight Fedor is BJ Penn...lol

Ugo Ferst 11-20-2008 10:04 PM

Here is a list of the truely great HWs Fedor has beaten...
remember, most of these fights are 3 years + ago...


Renato BABALU Sobral by decision

Heath Herring by Cut (his 1st "Big" win, ironic, Brocks too)

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueira by decision

Kazayuki Fujita by choke

mark coleman by armbar (Coleman was 41 YO at the time, near the end of his career)

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueaira 2 by decision (both fights were pretty damn close)

Mirko Filipinovic By decision

Now a list of "cans"

ZuluZinho by KO---->zulu isn't a known MMA expert, he is a "CAN"

Tsuyoshi Kohsaka by TKO--->a japanese heavyweight that isn't well known. He knows MMA well, but isn't a top 10 heavyweight. Therefore, he is a semi can.

Naowa Ogaya by armbar--->not a top 10 heavyweight.

kevin randleman by kimura--->I gotta give props to fedor submitting randleman. Randleman isn't a can, but isn't a great heavyweight either.

mark coleman by armbar-->cole man, was 41 years old for god sake and almost choked out fedor.

yuji nagata by TKO--->he is a can

gary goodridge by TKO--->he is not a can, but not even top 10 heavyweight.

Egidijus Valavicius by kimura-->he is a can

chris haseman by KO?---->he is not a can, but not even top 10 heavyweight

Lee hasdell by choke--->can

yanagisawa by decision--->not a top 10 heavyweight

kerry schall-->not a can, but not a top 10 heavyweight either.

apostolov by choke--->can

hiroya takada by KO--->can

Levon Lagvilava by KO--->can

Again, Fedor beat all the top HWs in pride, he deserves respect, but not after this ridiculously long break in fighting top flight opponents and making excuses about $ etc etc... here is a prediction, Fedor will LOSE to Barnett.

Ugo Ferst 11-20-2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cortez (Post 78366)
Are you kidding me?

Fedor can do whatever the fuck he wants at this point.

He's beaten almost every notable heavyweight on the planet. He's been chilling as an undefeated Sambo champion for the last 8 years[just lost his 1st fight recently]. He destroyed Tim Sylvia in the amount of time it takes you to rub one out. He hasn't lost an MMA fight in his entire career [except a no contest and a cut on his face]. He trains one of the strongest camps in the world with the Moscow based Red Devil Sport club, including Gegard Mousasi and Aleksander Emelianenko.

Now tell me, why the hell does Fedor at this point need to go out of his way to accommodate anyone. He's already #1.

Who does he have to appease...he has nothing to prove. He'll ravage Arlovski, have a good, but dominant match against Barnett. Brock isn't nearly ready to face Fedor, nor is anyone else in the UFC [except for Nogueira, but I don't even think he needs to fight him anymore]

The only person who'd probably wanna fight Fedor is BJ Penn...lol

This is the typical Fedor nut hugging im growing tired off... if he wants to be known as one of the true greats of the past, fine, he is, no doubt, but dont claim to be the best ATM when you havent fought ANYONE of note in YEARS... sports just doesnt work that way, Jordan cant come on the scene and claim to be the best basketball player in the world ATM because of things he did in the past, you need to do things now, his fan and him are living off past glory which is fine if he doesnt want to be relevant now, if he does, as i said earlier, it's time to put up, or shut up. Guess what, for some guys being the best isnt just about the $, take a paycut one or two times and fight in the UFC, dominate, win the title (i dont see this out of the realm of possibilitys at all, i know he is great) then stake the claim as the best right now, until then, for a guy that doesnt seem to talk alot, he is all talk.

10gizzle 11-20-2008 10:09 PM

You're cracked out dude.

Who would you like Fedor to step up against....Who does he need to beat for you to relax.

Randy? Lesnar? Bigfoot Silva?

Can you please give me your list of top 10 HW's in the world right now?

Ugo Ferst 11-20-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cortez (Post 78376)
You're cracked out dude.

Who would you like Fedor to step up against....Who does he need to beat for you to relax.

Randy? Lesnar? Bigfoot Silva?

Can you please give me your list of top 10 HW's in the world right now?

I do think Fedor is top 10, i cant rank a guy number 1 that hasnt fought any relevant in so long tho,

1. Big Nog
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Josh Barnett
4. Fedor
5.Arlovski
6.Alistair Overeem
7. Gonzaga
8.Sylvia
9. Couture
10. Kongo (10th is always a hard spot, i could flip it around)

honorable mention to Rothwell, Antonio Silvia (who is on a steriod suspension) and Junior Santos (a real up and comer).

Again, Fedor is definately capable of beating everyone on the list, but if he wants to be number 1 now, he has to go out and fight at least 2 or 3 times a year against non cans.

10gizzle 11-20-2008 10:23 PM

That's the stupidest list I have ever seen in my life

Do you watch MMA? Are you on acid?

Let's sift through your list...

Firstly, Nogueira, a man who Fedor has beaten twice...as number 1...makes no sense.

Lesnar, the UFC HW champ, with an extensive 4 MMA fights under his belt...

Barnett, who has only faced 3 guys since 2006 [Rizzo, Monson, and Yoshida], STILL, put ahead of Fedor on your list...

Dude...you make absolutely no sense.

Tommy2Tymes 11-20-2008 10:29 PM

kevin randleman by kimura--->I gotta give props to fedor submitting randleman. Randleman isn't a can, but isn't a great heavyweight either.

may i remind you that Coleman and Randleman were both UFC HW champions. bringing up that coleman was 41 at the time is pointless. we've been though that so many times with couture

have you actually seen the randleman fight? you look at the guys that fedor fought, and think of them presently, not what they were at the time of the fight. true he has fought alot of unknown guys, but that is what happens when you fight in Japan. who the hell in japan knows who Josh Hendricks or gabriel gonzaga is?

Tommy2Tymes 11-20-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst (Post 78385)
I do think Fedor is top 10, i cant rank a guy number 1 that hasnt fought any relevant in so long tho,

1. Big Nog
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Josh Barnett
4. Fedor
5.Arlovski
6.Alistair Overeem
7. Gonzaga
8.Sylvia
9. Couture
10. Kongo (10th is always a hard spot, i could flip it around)


honorable mention to Rothwell, Antonio Silvia (who is on a steriod suspension) and Junior Santos (a real up and comer).

Again, Fedor is definately capable of beating everyone on the list, but if he wants to be number 1 now, he has to go out and fight at least 2 or 3 times a year against non cans.

Nog, lost twice to fedor, love the guy, but hes not number 1
lesnar, he just beat a 45 year old, so having him in your top ten is pointless if you use your coleman logic
barnett hasnt fought anyone that great either
arlovski, i would have him at 2 behind fedor, hes been impressive of late
overeem, not enough fights as a HW to be considered. mind you, he is jacked now, compared to his LHW days
gonzaga, lost to werdum, hasnt beaten a significant HW outside of Crocop
sylvia, legit top ten guy, even if he is a dullard
couture, top ten, no doubt
kongo, like you said, you can put alot of guys in that slot

fedor. oh right, hes still never actually lost a fight in his career

Tommy2Tymes 11-20-2008 10:42 PM

i agree with you, he needs to fight more often. end of argument.

Ugo Ferst 11-20-2008 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy2Tymes (Post 78398)
i agree with you, he needs to fight more often. end of argument.

hehe, good man, thats my main point, i rank Nog ahead of Fedor because he has kept fighting, and kept winning for the last few years while Fedor has done little to nothing, can Fedor beat Nog, well back then he definately could and he probably can now, but even when he did Nog was no pushover and Fedor has to do more then say he beat him in the past to be ranked higher imo.

Lesnar because he is the champ, and the UFC champ is ALWAYS top 10, when has any UFC champ not been? Love him or hate him, he is the champ, and is ranked top 10 on any legit site aswell.

Anyways, Fedor fans, email him or say w/e to make him fight more often and more quality regularly, or stop saying he is the best, ty ;)

DVS 11-20-2008 11:56 PM

One thing is UFC has blacked ball Fedor and some other MMA fighers because of their "communism" style of business. They'll do anything and everything to try to "own" MMA and frankly every since they bought out pride they have done a good job about it.

Plain in simple Fedor got more cash with K-1 and Affliction. Dana White and the Zuffa boys are way too cheap to buy him out. Thankfully Japan is starting out Dream which in a few years will be a player in the MMA (esp. consider USA's economic situation). I might also remind Ugo that Herring and Sobral fought Fedor OVER 5 friggin years ago. I'd say thats a while ago and I'd ago say that BROCK LESNAR only fought in 4 MMA fights. One of the to a jobber, another to a 45 year old who didn't fight in a year (can u say a Dana White set up), another to an MMA journey man and lastly to a figher with reconstructive knee surgery to which he tapped out to.

Say you want about fedor he has the fighting backround (K-1, boxing, sambo and judo) and he has fought for a long time in reputable leagues like Pride which I might add back in those days was the elite. As Chuck and Randy they went to Pride when UFC almost went bust.

The truth about Fedor is that he is the real deal who hasn't fought in a while because of the communism tactics of UFC

Sauce 11-21-2008 01:48 AM

The only thing you can blame Fedor for is having a "bad" management team. Or maybe a greedy management team.

As a fighter, the guy is a stud like no other. I dont buy that "he hasnt fought good competition in a while" crap. It doesnt make him worse!! Do people even think before they say that.

Your list is hilarious. If you watched MMA you would know that Brock (his experience level, and body type) is very susceptible to submissions and thats something Fedor is great at. He's also great at using agility to beat guys bigger than him. He has that elite combination of great striking and great submissions. Not to mention intangibles like confidence, stamina, years of experience, huge matchups against the bets of the best.

Nogueira can not in any way be ahead of Fedor on any list and he is my favourite heavyweight of all time. I love the guy ...i love his style and fighting ability. I love the way he teaches guys and treats people. But he got dominated twice.

Barnett ... I actually think may be the best matchup out there for Fedor, but his striking is sub par and will get him beat. Plus the competition he faced recently isnt any better than Fedors. So lets drop him on the list for that reason alone ...cause skill doesnt matter (right?)

Silvia ...we already saw what happened.

Alrovski has a punchers chance I guess. Kinda like Cote against Silva. FEdor will probably be a bit caution of his standup, but i guarantee you the fight is over within 2minutes of hitting the ground.

Sauce 11-21-2008 01:59 AM

PS. Your top 10 is terrible. I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just dont know which part of your body that opinion came from.

Kongo will get slaughtered by any good wrestler. ANY!

Guys like Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, even Jake Obrein will eat him. Anyone with any ground game will beat him. Heath Herring beat him.

Dos Santos ...i bet money on. He won me lots with the win over Werdum, but too high too early. Nowhere near top 10. If he fights a motivated Werdum (which he wasnt) ... i think he loses 8 out of 10 times.

Couture behind Gonzaga and Sylvia after beating those guys in his last 2 fights? How is that even possible?

Gonzaga also lost to Werdum whos not on your list ...cause apparently he lost to Do Santos (who is not awesoness after one win)



DUDE ... THINK!!!!!! Really?

TORaptor4Ever 11-21-2008 03:52 AM

Ummmm.... how come no one's mentioned Frank Mir on a heavyweight list? lol.... he's a cocky bastid but he's one of the top submission guys out there and is very dangerous.

That being said Fedor is a KILLER. I agree with Sauce (as usual) in that as much as I love Nog. Fedor has to be put ahead of him.

For me the top 5 heavyweights in MMA probably shape up like this...

1) Fedor
2) Nog.
3) Brock
4) Randy
5) Mir

And I'm even giving Brock some respect by putting him ahead of Randy considering what Couture has done in his career. But I think that's gotta be pretty close to bang on. IMO anyway.

Ugo Ferst 11-21-2008 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauce (Post 78489)
PS. Your top 10 is terrible. I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just dont know which part of your body that opinion came from.

Kongo will get slaughtered by any good wrestler. ANY!

Guys like Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, even Jake Obrein will eat him. Anyone with any ground game will beat him. Heath Herring beat him.

Dos Santos ...i bet money on. He won me lots with the win over Werdum, but too high too early. Nowhere near top 10. If he fights a motivated Werdum (which he wasnt) ... i think he loses 8 out of 10 times.

Oh btw, i move Randy way down, because face it, Randy is done.
Couture behind Gonzaga and Sylvia after beating those guys in his last 2 fights? How is that even possible?

Gonzaga also lost to Werdum whos not on your list ...cause apparently he lost to Do Santos (who is not awesoness after one win)



DUDE ... THINK!!!!!! Really?

Fedor didnt dominate Nog... did you even watch the 2nd fight?

Top 10 lists really mean nothing, anyone can argue anything, but putting a guy that hasnt fought a signifigant fight in YEARS is crazy to me... THINK!!\

BTW who the hell said Arvolski at 2? Is that because you love Fedor so much you want him to beat AA so you will consider AA 2nd in the world?? lol thats a joke. He hasnt beaten anyone signifigant in about as long as Fedor hasnt lol. Considering he lost to Tim 2x pretty recently, i dont see how you can really consider him 2nd in anything.

Again, i dont doubt Fedors skill, i know he is amazing, but he isnt the best til he fights the best on a continuous basis and stops making $ and his somewhat anti american stance more important then being the best,

Benzo 11-21-2008 01:11 PM

Didn't Fedor lose an exhibition bout over the weekend....


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