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Old 03-24-2009, 09:29 AM   #741 (permalink)
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that's sad... but i'm just wondering is there a reason why this is significant?
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Uh...because he played in the NHL and more specifically for the Leafs ad I think there's a couple of cats here who will rememeber him and at one time cheered for him.
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oh. sorry. nevermind then.
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:42 AM   #744 (permalink)
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:25 PM   #745 (permalink)
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we never went over teams like detriot, ny, colorado..... when a truely good FA came along, we would always let them outbid us, and when a crappy has been come along, we would grab them (leech, nolan, housley, niedermier etc etc etce tc etc etc), overpay, and say look we tried.... but in reality we could have easily spent the most and still made the most, like the yankees do.
Nolan, Leech and Housely all came via trades to the Leafs. Only Housely was washed up when he arrived on the scene. Niedermayer was never a Leaf. ANd how is Niedermayer crappy? Typically before the salary cap a was introduced a few years ago, the Leafs were always major spenders and players in the FA market. The NHL isn't the same as the NBA when it comes to salary caps. You can't really go over the cap in the NHL. In teh NBA you can, but it'll cost you.
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:35 PM   #746 (permalink)
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sorry i was thinking niendyk (cant spell either name properly lol) and yes, leech was way washed up, so was nolan. Mogilny with one hip too. w00t!!

Name on truely big time FA the leafs ever signed, be serious?? ONE
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sorry i was thinking niendyk (cant spell either name properly lol) and yes, leech was way washed up, so was nolan. Mogilny with one hip too. w00t!!

Name on truely big time FA the leafs ever signed, be serious?? ONE
Free agency in hockey, at least unrestricted free agents was really only introduced in the mid-1990s, as opposed to basketball and baseball who have had unrestricted free agency for years.

I don't think you follow hockey much, but Leech definitely wasn't washed up - he registered a point per game - as a defenceman - and was an all star. Neither Nolan nor Mogilny were washed up either for that matter. Mogilny scored about 60 goals in 2 seasons here. Yup, you're right, he was washed up.

I'd say Curtis Joseph was a bigtime free agent for starters as was Gary Roberts.

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Free agency in hockey, at least unrestricted free agents was really only introduced in the mid-1990s, as opposed to basketball and baseball who have had unrestricted free agency for years.

I don't think you follow hockey much, but Leech definitely wasn't washed up - he registered a point per game - as a defenceman - and was an all star. Neither Nolan nor Mogilny were washed up either for that matter. Mogilny scored about 60 goals in 2 seasons here. Yup, you're right, he was washed up.

I'd say Curtis Joseph was a bigtime free agent for starters as was Gary Roberts.
lol wow your a pure leaf homer, plz look up leech when he was here lol a point a game huh?? We paid mogilny 6mil a year for 30 goals a year?? Back then?? Oh yea, bargain, too bad everybody in the league knew his hips were done, same with Nolans back....

Cujo was a decent signing, but we bumrushed potvin outta town to do it, and it wasnt even that huge an upgrade, and no, i used to watch a t on of hockey, if u think any of these guys came here anywhere in their prime, or we ever had a real shot beyond goalies taking us as deep as they could take us, you are really drinking that leaf kool aid..... Gary Roberts?? oh yea, thats huge.... and i like the guy.... this is the mecca of hockey and we havent had one top 5 forward since doug gilmour and even he was debateable. We never used our $ or allure to attact any young guns even tho we could have easily. MLSE doesnt want to win the cup, they want to go a round or 2.

Do you really wanna a list of the same moves Detriot, Colorado, NY and others signed or traded for in the same period of time?? lol a washed up former 70 goal scorer with one hip and Cujo wont compare, be serious, we never tried to win,.

btw looked it up, the two years before he left nyr Leetch recorded 36 and 30 points respectively.... obv worth a fat contract. just like mogilny was.... good management, great signings. Or how we paid Nolan 12 mil over 2 years to play a grand total of 75 games.

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Old 04-02-2009, 08:40 PM   #749 (permalink)
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sorry i was thinking niendyk (cant spell either name properly lol) and yes, leech was way washed up, so was nolan. Mogilny with one hip too. w00t!!

Name on truely big time FA the leafs ever signed, be serious?? ONE
Mogilny was still hot when they got him, then effed his hip up.

Loved that guy.
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:44 PM   #750 (permalink)
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in the four years before he was a leaf he averaged about 50 points a year and was injured (with the hip) constantly. Nobody in the league would pay him that much, but us, he went on to have 57, 79 and 30 points in the next 3 years with us (one was only half season tho), hardly worth anything near what we paid, but that's the leaf way.
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lol wow your a pure leaf homer, plz look up leech when he was here lol a point a game huh?? We paid mogilny 6mil a year for 30 goals a year?? Back then?? Oh yea, bargain, too bad everybody in the league knew his hips were done, same with Nolans back....

Cujo was a decent signing, but we bumrushed potvin outta town to do it, and it wasnt even that huge an upgrade, and no, i used to watch a t on of hockey, if u think any of these guys came here anywhere in their prime, or we ever had a real shot beyond goalies taking us as deep as they could take us, you are really drinking that leaf kool aid..... Gary Roberts?? oh yea, thats huge.... and i like the guy.... this is the mecca of hockey and we havent had one top 5 forward since doug gilmour and even he was debateable. We never used our $ or allure to attact any young guns even tho we could have easily. MLSE doesnt want to win the cup, they want to go a round or 2.

Do you really wanna a list of the same moves Detriot, Colorado, NY and others signed or traded for in the same period of time?? lol a washed up former 70 goal scorer with one hip and Cujo wont compare, be serious, we never tried to win,.

btw looked it up, the two years before he left nyr Leetch recorded 36 and 30 points respectively.... obv worth a fat contract. just like mogilny was.... good management, great signings. Or how we paid Nolan 12 mil over 2 years to play a grand total of 75 games.

Sometimes your rebuttals make me laugh because it's like I'm having a conversation with a fungo-bat.

And before you go saying I'm a Leafs homer, if you bothered to read any part of the NHL thread, you'd know I'm a Rangers fan.

I don't think you're aware of this - obviously you aren't - but with most FAs in the NHL, you have to hit a certain age before you're considered a UFA, otherwise you're just a Restricted Free Agent (RFA) and there are compensation issues if you sign a RFA. It isn't like the NBA where you can sign a RFA and the original team has 7 days to match - and the original team gets no compensation in return. In the NHL, depending on the category the player fell into, you could pay as much as three first round picks for signing a RFA. Before the current CBA in the the NHL was consummated a few years back, most players (or at least 90-95%) of the players were 30 or older, so where exactly was attracting these so-called young guns going to come from?
I'm waiting............


Toronto's case is MUCH different than Detroit's, Colorado's or the Rangers'.
Detroit's scouting is rock solid, their farm system is completely stocked, and that's where most of their star power comes from. Whatever tinkering to add a key veteran to the puzzle comes as a result of having enough in the system to deal away that player, and as FA players who want to sign on because of the winning culture - and they're not very active in the FA market as it is. Colorado completely dried out their farm system to make deals to keep them on top, hence the situation they are in now.
New York is New York. Playing in New York always has appeal, especially to American players. Back in the day, trying to get into a bidding war with the Rangers was pointless cause more often that not, they'd always come up on top. Unfortunately, it seemed that signing these "big names" also for whatever unknown reason meant they would fizzle out (see Kamensky, Valeri and Fleury,Theoren as prime examples). Some of these players would sometimes be parlayed to get another big name player via trade.

Toronto doesn't have a very good farm system (never really had a good one) - hence why they haven't been able to make a major deal for that one game breaker. The last major deal for a game breaker was Mats Sundin. But in the days of no salary caps, the players the Leafs signed as free agents were considered the cream of the crop/top FAs in that particular case.

In the case of Mogilny, 6 million was close to the going price before the salary cap. The guy was a 30 goal scorer and had good speed. jersey wasn't going to pay that much for him because Lamorello's way isnt to overpay, but surely, you know that in any FA market in any sport with a coveted player, you're going to overpay. You thought you would get him with a 2-3 million a year bid? Right.

Joseph was a MUCH better goaltender than Potvin. The stats don't lie. The gameplay doesn't lie. After Potvin was dealt to the Islanders, he was never the same goaltender. That was a huge upgrade in goal for the Leafs.

Nolan's issue with the Leafs wasn't his back. He never really missed any games due to a back injury. I know he had an eye injury and he had a knee injury that lead to his way out of Toronto - but that wasn't forseeable.

And Leetch was a point per game player in Toronto.

Stop making yourself look foolish on this subject Ugo.
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:56 AM   #752 (permalink)
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wow u look really silly lol, leetch was 38, mogilny was 34, nolan 33 (he did have BACK ISSUES before he came here, look it up or look "foolish"), hardly anywhere near their primes and hardly worth the $ we paid for them. Think about, Sundin made 7 mil, pre cap days, you think Mognilny was worth 6, washed up??? I guess Jason Blake really earning his 6 mil (another great leafs move huh) for his 30 goals, right??

NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER ,EVER have the leafs signed a truely "cream of the crop" FA, and if you believe that, your more then foolish. Dont make me do the research and name the FA's that came along in those years, or players teams moved for next to nothing to dump cap (oh yea, that happened all the time, but the leafs, being the richest team, never took advantage, while poor teams like ottawa scoop up guys like heatley for nothing while we twiddle our thumbs and believe me, there's a ton more allure playing for Toronto then there is NYC, here you are the man). This is almost a joke to talk about. Seriously dont make me look it up lol...... mognilny, leetch and nolan all "cream of the crop" lol leetch recorded a point per game here..... he played 15 games..... lol great point

like u said, stats dont lie, go to my above post and read all these players stats coming to toronto, san jose laughed as they sent hurt player here for brad boyes (yes, he is from toronto, is still in the nhl, and he is pretty good) Alan McCoughley (forgot how to spell his name, great 2 way forward, one of the major reasons for a playoff run one year) and a draft pick... hahaha what a joke "cream of the crop" coming off 3 injury lagued seasons never looking good and at most playing 75 games and recording 66 points?? lol oh yea, do your research, plz, san jose knew he was done, so did everybody else. he had played 50 and 60 games the 2 years before toronto, nowhere close to a point a game, ship him 6 mil, he will win us the cup..... hey mogilny scored 70 goals 800 years ago, and in the previous 5 years had averaged 50 games a year and had one hip, 6mil?? oh yea, easy price, good deal, we are serious contenders "Cream of the crop" lol stats dont lie, your right, perhaps your memory does or you dont know nearly as much as you think

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Leetch was a great player for toronto in his stay.
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:06 AM   #754 (permalink)
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the only time the leafs were ever good, there were 6 teams and for a majority of that time, Toronto had 1st rights to any player born in Ontario, unfortunately Montreal had the same for Quebec
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I loved the Leafs during the Gilmour era. Gilmour , Andreychuk, Boreshevski, bob Rouse, Ellet, Felix Potvin in net, Wendel.... ah good times.
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fact, we had the best chance to actually win the year we lost to LA, with Potvin. We had a major chance that off season to add a star or 2, make a drastic move, spend some $ and go for it, we basically stood pat, it's what we always do. Anybody fooling themselves thinking adding old shell of them former selves stars that we did would really push us over anything is a joke 2 me. Everytime we made a run to the conference finals, it was as underdogs, we were never high seeds, we just rode hot goalies. MLSE never cared about winning the cup, in fact, it may be bad for business if they do.
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wow u look really silly lol, leetch was 38, mogilny was 34, nolan 33 (he did have BACK ISSUES before he came here, look it up or look "foolish"), hardly anywhere near their primes and hardly worth the $ we paid for them. Think about, Sundin made 7 mil, pre cap days, you think Mognilny was worth 6, washed up??? I guess Jason Blake really earning his 6 mil (another great leafs move huh) for his 30 goals, right??

NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER ,EVER have the leafs signed a truely "cream of the crop" FA, and if you believe that, your more then foolish. Dont make me do the research and name the FA's that came along in those years, or players teams moved for next to nothing to dump cap (oh yea, that happened all the time, but the leafs, being the richest team, never took advantage, while poor teams like ottawa scoop up guys like heatley for nothing while we twiddle our thumbs and believe me, there's a ton more allure playing for Toronto then there is NYC, here you are the man). This is almost a joke to talk about. Seriously dont make me look it up lol...... mognilny, leetch and nolan all "cream of the crop" lol leetch recorded a point per game here..... he played 15 games..... lol great point
Nolan did have back issues. I never said he didn't. But it was NEVER a bone of contention in Toronto. It was NEVER a factor. And those guys (Leetch, Nolan) were TRADED to Toronto, they didn't SIGN with the Leafs. As for Jason Blake, that was a terrible signing. Right from the getgo.

I gave you an example of a prime Free agent the Leafs have signed (Curtis Joseph)and you dismissed the notion. Why? Who knows. He wasn't a cream of the crop FA? Well, let's take a look at what he did while in Toronto. Well, for starters, a 2-time all-star, carried the team singlehandedly to 2 conference finals and was part of the Canadian olympic team. Oh, but that's nothing to you right?

Since the cap was imposed the Leafs have been handcuffed to poor deals. All Imposed by themselves.


More allure playing in Toronto than New York? Obviosuly, you've never been to New York. They LOVE the Rangers. There's always an allure playing at MSG.


Heatley was traded to Ottawa, not signed. Get your facts straight.

You're making yourself look like a jackass here. You don't want any part of me in this discussion cause I'll make you look foolish everytime. Wait, you're doing a good job of it yourself.
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read what i wrote, i said ppl trade guys like heatley for next to nothing as $ dumps, esp pre cap days, we never took advantage and go a young star, ever.

Toronto is the Mecca of hockey, dont compare NYC, in NYC you are always 3rd or 4th fiddle to the yankees, knicks hell even the mets, giants and jets, no comparison, in Toronto you are the main attraction.

really you bring up no facts and talk about "making ppl look foolish".... i brought u stats on these "cream of the crop" signings, showing you all of them had had multiple sub standard (for their career) years in a row, yet we still signed them......

I said Cujo was a good signing..... so was Belfour. But it's not Roberto Luango (why didnt we go for him??) or something of that magnatude, pat roy etc etc, we always go for that 2nd tier or washed up star. My posts are full of stats, yours is full of opinion and insults, sorry you lose, bring some real points instead of "ill make youi look foolish, they draft well" lol lol olo lol sfpwned

wow 2 time allstar?? lol is that seriously it?? 2x, wow i woulda thought he got more, he is a decent goalie, not great, thats why he never won it all, even when detriot tried to gift wrap it for him.... Belfour greater Cujo, so bring him up instead

btw why is mognilny on one hip scoring 30, but not playing hard and floating for around most games coasting worth 6 mil, but blake who scores 30, but at least grinds hard every game isnt?? lol

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fact, we had the best chance to actually win the year we lost to LA, with Potvin. We had a major chance that off season to add a star or 2, make a drastic move, spend some $ and go for it, we basically stood pat, it's what we always do. Anybody fooling themselves thinking adding old shell of them former selves stars that we did would really push us over anything is a joke 2 me. Everytime we made a run to the conference finals, it was as underdogs, we were never high seeds, we just rode hot goalies. MLSE never cared about winning the cup, in fact, it may be bad for business if they do.
Hahahahahahahaha.. spend money, add a star? In 92-93? Those Leaf teams aside from Gilmour and perhaps Andreychuk had no real stars. They were a blue-collar team. So, where exactly was this star going to come from? From a non-existent FA system? Oh right, you were going to acquire a real superstar for Peter Zezel and Kent Manderville. You make me laugh.
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do u know how many teams were losing $ dumping good players with big contracts those days in trades?? How do you think colorado and detriot stayed on top so long?? all the draft huh?? lol

im done with you, you seem to think you have a grasp of what your talking about, but it's fairly obvious you dont, petty insults aside your posts have no real substance, just conjecture mixed with humor, nice try tho, next time do some research and if your going to call leetch, nolan and mogilny "cream of the crop" as washed up injured vets, shake your head a bit, smoke a fatty and go to sleep. good day
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