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Old 05-15-2013, 11:06 AM   #6701 (permalink)
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better to take that risk than let them pass the puck around looking for.. you guessed it, a point shot to tie the game

or was that the third? regardless, point stands
your point stands? no it doesn't, the stuff you're talking about started with 15 minutes left in the game. I think there might be more going on out on the ice than you think.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:15 AM   #6702 (permalink)
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better to take that risk than let them pass the puck around looking for.. you guessed it, a point shot to tie the game
face-offs were an issue and have been for a few months now...the only guy who was winning face-offs on a consistent basis was Bozak and to a much lesser extent McClement (Bozak didn't play)...Grabo was losing a large percentage and Kadri was a waste of time

Toronto stopped moving their feet (coasted in their zone coverages) and failed to fill any shooting lanes at the end of the game...and instead of engaging the play, they all started watching the puck

i can almost guarantee it that if the circumstances were switched around the Boston players would have been hacking/chopping players down in their own end (regardless of penalties)...and they would have been sacrificing their bodies with blocked shots

fact is that Toronto got owned during the last period by much more experienced players...players who have been thru the trenches in crunch time...
a hard lesson to learn...but a valuable one moving forward for this club

hopefully this loss will leave a really bitter taste in their mouths over the whole summer...and continue into next season...imho, that's a positive thing
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:34 PM   #6703 (permalink)
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With the restaurant set to close after one of the busiest days of the year — Mother’s Day — a call came in just before 11 p.m. from the Bruins, although service manager Lauren Grenier was skeptical.

“She kind of giggled and said: ‘Ya, if you guys are here, we’ll do it,’” Canyon Creek general manager Alex Rigas said of Grenier.

Sure enough, about 10 minutes later two buses pulled up and more than 40 members of the Bruins — including players, coaches and front office personnel — descended on the empty restaurant.

Remaining staff scrambled to get to work, calling in reinforcements from a nearby Jack Astor’s restaurant and staying open late to feed their customers.

Rigas said former Bruins superstar-turned-executive Cam Neely had previously eaten at the restaurant and recommended the Bruins try to get in.

“They were very quiet, obviously, after a loss, but they were super polite and super gracious,” Rigas said of the Bruins, who ate a lot of steak, chicken and pasta, but refrained from drinking any alcohol.

Rigas said some grateful Bruins posed for pictures, ignoring the fact some employees — including Grenier and bartender Scott Leinster — were sporting Leafs jerseys.

When the Bruins staffers who were taking care of the tab asked how they could repay the restaurant crew, Rigas recalled Grenier joking: “‘Game 7 tickets would be great.’”

He said the reply was: “‘Sure, done. You guys find a way to get down there, you got four tickets, no problem.’”

Sure enough, the Bruins provided the tickets and secured a hotel accommodation for Rigas, Grenier, Leinster and server Darren Boast. They hit the road early Monday for the nine-plus hour drive to Boston.

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Old 05-15-2013, 02:05 PM   #6704 (permalink)
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your point stands? no it doesn't, the stuff you're talking about started with 15 minutes left in the game. I think there might be more going on out on the ice than you think.
stop talking down to me. I played hockey for an extended period of time, and was an assistant coach for some time too. of course there's a lot going on that NEITHER OF US know, but when you're stuck in, down one man, stick to your fundamentals and clear the puck. doing that and killing several seconds is better than letting them cycle in your end for 2 minutes with 6 men
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:11 PM   #6705 (permalink)
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pzabby - i think you are fundamentally correct.... except that we didn't have possession of the puck to clear it... and the couple of times we had partial possession, they did try to clear, but couldn't.... so it isn't really a tactical mistake, imo.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:13 PM   #6706 (permalink)
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if you're so on top of it, then you would recognize how they go tto that spot in the first place. You don't. Stop crying like a little child, "ohpoor me, he's talking down to me". STFU man, I totally gave you a full explanation as to what I saw happening and why it happened. Nobody is talking down to you. Unless of course, being right nowadays means you're "talking down" to people. I'm seeing it more and more it seems lately. People, when faced with the idea they might be wrong, cry foul immediately.

Bah.

Fact it, had Toronto kept skating, kept forechecking and pressing it would have forced Boston to spread out, it would have created counter attacks, and it would have kept them the fuck out of the Leaf end for prolonged amounts of time. Icing the puck kills little time, and to be honest, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IT. They just couldn't. Boston was suffocating them.
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if you're so on top of it, then you would recognize how they go tto that spot in the first place. You don't. Stop crying like a little child, "ohpoor me, he's talking down to me". STFU man, I totally gave you a full explanation as to what I saw happening and why it happened. Nobody is talking down to you. Unless of course, being right nowadays means you're "talking down" to people. I'm seeing it more and more it seems lately. People, when faced with the idea they might be wrong, cry foul immediately.

Bah.

Fact it, had Toronto kept skating, kept forechecking and pressing it would have forced Boston to spread out, it would have created counter attacks, and it would have kept them the fuck out of the Leaf end for prolonged amounts of time. Icing the puck kills little time, and to be honest, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IT. They just couldn't. Boston was suffocating them.
stop making such a big deal from the talking down to me comment. I made it because you said there's a lot I dont know happening on the ice. while that is true, SJ, with all due respect, neither do YOU.

counter attacking is fine, but with 2 minutes left, when you're tired, and boston has 6 men in your zone, it isn't easy to break out and counter attack. it's actually damn difficult. maybe they were trying to ice it, but I didn't see that. a professional hockeyplayer should be able to just smash the puck out of there. it's a big rink.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:38 PM   #6708 (permalink)
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1. I do know, THAT is what you need to respect.
2. What you saw happening started around the 15 min mark. It wasn't some last minute breakdown.
3. Icing the puck is harder than you think, and even though YOU think its easiest, I have no idea why you are ignoring the outcome of that icing call. No player change for exhausted players, fresh Boston players from the bench, ready to execute offensive zone set plays off a 90% faceoff winning rate. Basically, you give them a reset in your own end, and the puck, with players that can hardly stand up, let alone close out on the point or react and be first to the puck on deflections and missed shots or rebounds.


Read Shadowfax's post as well. Toronto was beat by a smarter, more mature, and better team. Toronto's coaching, I feel dropped the ball a bit, and it's players got runover as they were caught staring in the headlighs.


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Old 05-15-2013, 02:42 PM   #6709 (permalink)
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1. I do know, THAT is what you need to respect.
2. What you saw happening started around the 15 min mark. It wasn't some last minute breakdown.
3. Icing the puck is harder than you think, and even though YOU think its easiest, I have no idea why you are ignoring the outcome of that icing call. No player change for exhausted players, fresh Boston players from the bench, ready to execute offensive zone set plays off a 90% faceoff winning rate. Basically, you give them a reset in your own end, and the puck, with players that can hardly stand up, let alone close out on the point or react and be first to the puck on deflections and missed shots or rebounds.


Read Shadowfax's post as well. Toronto was beat by a smarter, more mature, and better team. Toronto's coaching, I feel dropped the ball a bit, and it's players got runover as they were caught staring in the headlighs.


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I agree with shadow completely. you however I don't. and the fact that you think you do know, while others don't, is just another example of your brutal arrogance that you exude on here. I repeat, an icing call where the clock is stopped is a slight more rest compared to our lineup staying on for 2 minutes while the boston 6 men cycle looking for 2 goals, which they got. we couldn't break out of our zone in the final 2 minutes. they cycled with 6 men for two minutes. result? they scored two fucking goals
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:58 PM   #6710 (permalink)
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I am afraid you have absolutely no idea how the game of Hockey is played. If you did, you would understand my post. Whining about the effects without having any clue about the cause is sad, ESPECIALLY when s nice, older and wiser person has taken the time to explain it to you. EVEN MORESO when there are 50 videos on LeafsTV with players reiterating the same thing.

But hey, you're right. Pizzababy for Leafs 2014 Player/coach/GM.


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Old 05-15-2013, 05:04 PM   #6711 (permalink)
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The more I contemplate your ridiculous, childish, and offensive post pizza, the more I feel like a less fun and jovial post is deserved so GYO kid.this is from Pat Quinn, you know, hall of fame player and coach, I guess you can disagree with him too...I will dig out a few more if you'd like it isn't hard:

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Former Toronto Maple Leafs coach Pat Quinn thinks the team let its emotions get the best of them against the Boston Bruins in Game 7.

Quinn, who has been the most successful Leafs coach in the last decade, thought a lack of experience and mental toughness played a large role during the team’s third period meltdown Monday night.

“It’s an emotion that’s hard to control,” Quinn told Ed Willes of the Vancouver Province Tuesday. “That’s where experience comes in, because your first reaction is everything closes down. You can’t think of anything except bad things. When you’re sitting on the bench, you’re almost thinking, ‘Don’t put me out,’ because you can see what’s happening.”

Quinn always placed on high emphasis on experience during his tenure in Toronto and could relate to what Randy Carlyle dealt with in Game 7.

“When you’re a coach, you’re looking down the bench and you’re saying, ‘I trust this guy and that guy,’” Quinn said to Willies. “At that point it didn’t look like (Leafs’ head coach Randy Carlyle) could trust anyone because everybody was having the same reaction.”

“You have to pull yourself together and pretend to them you have a plan,” he said. “I think Randy did OK there. But something happened. Toronto’s good when they confront and they stopped confronting. Instead, they folded back into a five-man box. That’s partially technical, but it’s more mental.”

Like many who watched Game 7, Quinn was stunned the Bruins were able to come back and believed the Leafs had the series wrapped up when they went up 4-1.

“They flashed to the (Bruins’) bench and I thought they were cooked,” Quinn said. “There’s no way they’re coming back. Then Milan makes that big play and it started.”

The Leafs were noticeably rattled after Monday’s loss and Quinn says it will be tough for the team to get over the devastating loss.

“That’s the job of management and coaches, to not allow that to happen,” he explained. “It will take some work, because you’ll carry it with you all your life.”
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:05 PM   #6712 (permalink)
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I agree with quin. As I did with shadow. Mental toughness and experience let us down. But that's not even relevant to what we were discussing
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:19 PM   #6713 (permalink)
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Thank you.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:20 PM   #6714 (permalink)
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I agree with quin. As I did with shadow. Mental toughness and experience let us down. But that's not even relevant to what we were discussing
Your first mistake was thinking there was a discussion taking place. SJ doesn't do discussions.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:28 PM   #6715 (permalink)
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Nope, more of a lecture this time, I'm more of a Prof on this one, he can have discussions about how to ice the puck with his TA.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:01 AM   #6716 (permalink)
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Was sure there would be a game 1 let down.

I guess not.

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Old 05-23-2013, 03:28 PM   #6717 (permalink)
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Feels somewhat good to see the Rangers fail horribly against the B's.

Pens smacked the Sens bad yesterday.

Brad Richards is a healthy scratch for the Rangers tonight, and people say Phaneuf is the worst captain in the league lol.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:33 PM   #6719 (permalink)
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Detroit is up 3-1 against the Blackhawks. No one predicted that.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:17 PM   #6720 (permalink)
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Detroit is up 3-1 against the Blackhawks. No one predicted that.
Blackhawks going to win the series still.
I predicted that when it was 3-1.
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