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Old 01-14-2013, 04:02 PM   #5581 (permalink)
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I'm sadly completely sober sitting in a lecture right now. I just read your essay about the Burke firing and don't agree with it, I'm happy there's a new GM for this team, maybe in another 3 years this team will be back to a winning culture.
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Lol I was in grade 6 when the Leafs were eliminated by the Flyers the last time they were in the playoffs. I'm in my 3rd year of university now. My math isn't the best but that sounds like more than 4 years.
Lol trust me, the Leafs were in the playoffs in 2004 and I was only 14. I'm 22 now and still no playoffs.
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The horseshoe isn't quite as bad as i had envisioned..still pretty bad though

Now can the owners please change the name and unis ?...please ?
Yup its a horrible place to play hockey. Shows how bad their situation is
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you know I have had some time to think about the situation in toronto, and the whole firing of the GM. It's just horrible if you're a leaf fan.

For years this franchise has been run, not by hockey people, but by the people who owned the club. A direct mirror image of how business is conducted on a large scale in the city of toronto behind the scenes, in boardrooms and tennis clubs and golf courses and lounges.

For those who don't know me, I am on this message board as a Basketball fan first. Used to play, loved it, and basically am sour and bitter because I am not allowed to do it anymore. Hockey was always my second love, played from when I was 4 till now. I also work. I have been in boardrooms. I have met and had to deal with on a first had basis the very people that you read about in the boardroom at the MLSE headquarters. I know what happens there, and I know what type of people make those decisions. It isn't what some may believe.

Toronto, New York, Chicago, Boston...these are the major franchise in the NHL that have had pretty limited success in terms of the big prize. Boston finally grabbed up recently, and NY, who boast 17 million people as a city, have rung it up...marginally. However, Detroit and Montreal, in the last 30 years, have done quite nicely. why?

Smaller market original six teams that don't have ownership firmly entrenched in the wretched, pompous, old boys clubs that the major market teams DO. they still run the teams like...teams. Detroit in particular, hasn't made a change in years, they keep peopl eon, for better or worse to do the job, wait out the highs and lows, and basically run a team, not an asset, and not a trophy for the corporate mantle.

When I read about Burke getting fired I was shocked. When I found out why, I was simply appalled. Brian Burke wasn't fired for his record. He wasn't fired because he traded prospects for the leagues 6th highest scorer. He was fired because the head of bell, didn't like him. In the back room and at the lounge of the granite club, the fucking dude just didn't like him because he was too brash. he was intimidated by Burke on a personal level so he did what money people do to people they have power over, he flexed his muscles and made him go away. And there you have it, another era in Toronto maple Leaf futility finally begins.

Like it or not, Brian Burke was creating a culture here in Toronto, there was order, there was certainty beginning and there was consistency starting. People like to use words like truculence, yet thats media shit that you need to avoid. Burke has quietly assembled some good young talent, talent he was letting grow on the farm and in Jr.. Dave Nonnis shares this idea, and even more so. so it remains to be seen, will he last?

Until the old boys clubs in Toronto are firmly kept out of the dressing rooms and offices that are trying to win Hockey games and build teams, Toronto will NEVER have a decent chance at building a winner. They can only buy FA's, and hope to get lucky. Rumours that this Cope guy likes the idea of trading a guy like Jake Gardiner to get a 33 year old goalie are proof to this.

I wish I didn't understand this stuff. I really do. I wish it was about trade machines and trashing the coach. Sadly, It's not. not even close. it's really rich guys pissing on their subordinates and measuring their cocks over expensive scotch and steak. It's also why i don't give a fuck when these people lock out and lose money. I really don't. I feel bad for the guys in places like Philly,and detroit, places where it's still about winning Hockey games and creating great franchises.

Fuck George Cope.

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Winning culture? When exactly what was that instituted?

Oh I know when his twice over constructed horrible defense was created.

Or maybe the time when he signed Gerber so the leafs could get out of the bottom three and draft Kadri. I remember that Gerber signing was done because it was immoral to tank. So Burke were you signed to promote NHL morality or build a winning team? I guess that question can be coupled with the fact he wouldn't sign any long term contracts. You know like the ones Winning teams made during the last CBA.

Oh wait the winning culture was produced when he woudn't trade anyone a week before christmas thats it.

Burke is a good hockey guy I get that but I'd sign a pile of other guys before him.
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+10000000000 DVS.

wouldn't sign long contracts, wouldn't use bonuses. basically ran the team according to some stupid ideals when everyone else around him was doing whatever it took to 'bend the rules' if it made their teams better. I would put a healthy wager on the notion that he would have never used the amnesty option on any of his bad contracts. And to boot, he was a loudmouth asshole.

I like a lot of the moves Burke made, but there are a lot of moves that were sour from the start and a ton of stuff that he didn't do that make this firing totally justifiable.

One thing that annoys me is this talk of politics and how a new owner didn't like him so got the axe. ummm no shit that's normally how it works. If your boss doesn't want you, then you get let go. And knowing Burke, it's not like he would have tried to play nice with the new guy.

Let's move on and see what Nonis has to offer. I don't think it will be any worse.
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Leafs need to borrow the Raps tank. Gonna have to go into the shop first though because something's wrong with it. As soon as the tank gets close to a target it backs up until it's out of range.


But seriously, this franchise has never needed to win to fill seats, so to me, common sense says given another GM change, they should re-build properly and stockpile high picks to pt the weight of the Leafs nation on. Unfortunatley, it looks like the ownership of your team may just wants to use more bandaids to keep the 8th place in the conference hope alive.

Good luck.
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+10000000000 DVS.

wouldn't sign long contracts, wouldn't use bonuses. basically ran the team according to some stupid ideals when everyone else around him was doing whatever it took to 'bend the rules' if it made their teams better. I would put a healthy wager on the notion that he would have never used the amnesty option on any of his bad contracts. And to boot, he was a loudmouth asshole.

I like a lot of the moves Burke made, but there are a lot of moves that were sour from the start and a ton of stuff that he didn't do that make this firing totally justifiable.

One thing that annoys me is this talk of politics and how a new owner didn't like him so got the axe. ummm no shit that's normally how it works. If your boss doesn't want you, then you get let go. And knowing Burke, it's not like he would have tried to play nice with the new guy.

Let's move on and see what Nonis has to offer. I don't think it will be any worse.
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uh huh.

If the timing was right on the situation nothing would be said. Everyone knew if the Leafs weren't making the playoffs Burke was gone. NOw that he is gone their is no pressure now to make the playoffs and if Nonis was smart he would encourage the play of the younger core of the hockey team. This is a good thing. You don't like boards I get it everyone wants a single owner but the Leafs won't get it. Heck if you like a single owner so much we can go back to the Ballard days if you are so hung up on a board.

Things will settle down with this board and thing will be more orderly. No surprise Burke got canned look what they did to TFC.

Also, I know you think Burke was such a great GM but lets face it he was nothing but a failure in Toronto. No winning seasons and I forgot to mention that dreadful Kessel deal. Might I add is that a deal a GM makes when he thinks it will take more than 4 years to win? As you stated of course
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Leafs need to borrow the Raps tank. Gonna have to go into the shop first though because something's wrong with it. As soon as the tank gets close to a target it backs up until it's out of range.


But seriously, this franchise has never needed to win to fill seats, so to me, common sense says given another GM change, they should re-build properly and stockpile high picks to pt the weight of the Leafs nation on. Unfortunatley, it looks like the ownership of your team may just wants to use more bandaids to keep the 8th place in the conference hope alive.

Good luck.
Thats what Burke was doing. How people don't see this is way beyond me.
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If the timing was right on the situation nothing would be said. Everyone knew if the Leafs weren't making the playoffs Burke was gone. NOw that he is gone their is no pressure now to make the playoffs and if Nonis was smart he would encourage the play of the younger core of the hockey team. This is a good thing. You don't like boards I get it everyone wants a single owner but the Leafs won't get it. Heck if you like a single owner so much we can go back to the Ballard days if you are so hung up on a board.

Things will settle down with this board and thing will be more orderly. No surprise Burke got canned look what they did to TFC.

Also, I know you think Burke was such a great GM but lets face it he was nothing but a failure in Toronto. No winning seasons and I forgot to mention that dreadful Kessel deal. Might I add is that a deal a GM makes when he thinks it will take more than 4 years to win? As you stated of course
Ok.

i am pretty much getting annoyed now.

Please explain something to me, I am all ears. In the NHL, with an active roster of close to 20 players, how does one turn a completely lost franchise into a winner in 4 years?

Please tell me.

While explaining, please keep in mind the city, the ownership and the culture that had been fostered since Ballard was there.

You guys can say what you'd like but you're drawing from surface noise and not paying any attention whatsoever to what really happens.

When this guy came here the Franchise was absolutely done. Nobody on the ice, zero on the farm, and nothing in the minors. Do you know how long it takes to turn that around. keep in mind that Toronto ownership mandated that the team at least look like it was trying by signing old, and washed up "names" to keep fans attention, win just enough to look like they were gonna make the playoffs, and basically keep the brand name relevant.

You think I "Love" burke? Nope. But I know what he was doing, and he was the ONLY GM to have the nuts to do it in Toronto since I was a child. He took on ownership and did it his way. He paid for a way better staff, he hired good scouts, he spent his life on the road looking for new players. Toronto's infrastructural improved and so to did the results. People whine about the Kessel trade, well thats why the stockpiled so many picks, so they COULD make those moves to acquire a guaranteed commodity and not have to rely on a gamble. Kessel was 6th in scoring last year, you fucking guy wanna call everything a disaster...why, because he isnt Sidney effin crosby????? Sorry buddy, but calling that "dreadful" shows what you clearly don't grasp. When the dust settles, dougie Hamilton may become a winner, looks like he will, but from day one we know Kessel was. Oh, ps. Hows Kaberle doing?

Right now, Toronto is still at the bottom. But not far from being decent. the turn around so far was 4 years. with ownership that would NOT tolerate a planned tank, how the FUCK do you think you do it? This isn't a small market American wasteland where youre allowed to be last over all for 5 years (while toronto shares its revenue to keep you alive). In Toronto its a massive and complex game. As for the new guy, he will simply follow what the old guy was doing. So I'm happy bout that.

Here's an article a buddy of mine did. Its a fairly simple and basic piece thats good for people to get perspective. The failure of most is in unrealistic expectations. Fact is, burke was doing a fine job. He was fired over ego.

The 2008 Toronto Maple Leafs was easily the worst hockey team in recent memory.

There really wasn’t anything good about it. The team had no significant scoring talent to rally around, nothing remotely promising in the Toronto Marlies system, and next to no hopeful draft picks. The Leafs’ roster was bloated with players whose contracts included no-trade clauses, and two of the marginally valuable tradeworthy players—Carlo Colaiacovo and Alex Steen—were dealt to the St. Louis Blues less than a week before Brian Burke took the team’s reins. When Burke signed on as the Maple Leafs’ general manager halfway through the 2008-2009 season, the team he was inheriting wasn’t just bad, it was absolutely abysmal.

You can typically take any NHL team and sell off top performing assets for reasonable prospects, draft picks, or depth players. Take, for example, the worst performing team of the past decade: the 2006-07 Philadelphia Flyers. Of 164 possible points in a season, they managed only 56. Forget fifty-fifty: this team only won a quarter of its games that season. Even though the 06-07 Flyers was such a poor team, it still had plenty of assets to rebuild with. For example: trading Peter Forsberg landed it two promising prospects, a first-round pick, and a third-round pick from Nashville.

The 2008 Maple Leafs, however, could only manage a single second-round pick by trading away what was arguably their most valuable asset at that time: Nik Antropov. But it’s worth noting that the same day Burke traded Antropov for a second-rounder, he also managed to get another second-round pick for Dominic Moore, which is excellent value when you consider that Moore has never achieved stats to the level that he did for the Leafs in 08-09.

The rebuild had begun. Burke was selling off what assets the Leafs had as best as he could. The team was still terrible, and there was a long, long way to go. But at least it was getting better. In 2008, the Leafs had worse than nothing. By the end of 2009, they’d managed to bring themselves back to plain-old “nothing.”

Bigger Moves

In Burke’s first full season with the Leafs, his roster moves got bigger and bolder. Over the summer he wisely got rid of failed goaltending prospect Justin Pogge. He also acquired yet another second-round pick in exchange for two non-impact players.

In 2008, the Leafs were trying to survive on an inconsistent Vesa Toskala in the net, with a backup trio that included a well-past-his-prime Curtis Joseph, as well waiver-wire scraps from Ottawa in Martin Gerber, and also Pogge. Burke drastically improved the Leafs’ goaltending situation in 2009 by signing Jonas Gustavsson from Sweden, as well as upgrading from Vesa Toskala to Jean-Sébastien Giguère in a trade with Anaheim. The 09-10 season also saw Burke land a jackpot trade that brought premier defenceman Dion Phaneuf to Toronto in exchange for a grab-bag of spare parts.

And then, there was the Kessel trade. For some reason, Leafs fans and sports media love to rip Burke for this move. The Leafs gave up two years worth of first-round picks and a second-round pick for Phil Kessel. Yes, those two first-round picks ended up becoming Tyler Seguin (already an NHL All-Star) and Dougie Hamilton, who would have helped immensely. It’s easy to look back at this trade and say that Burke overpaid. At the time of the trade, however, the Leafs were getting a player that Burke believed to have All-Star potential for draft picks that could either have been boom or bust. And Kessel has performed as advertised. He’s been leading the Leafs in scoring while earning All-Star recognition in each of the last two seasons. Though in hindsight Burke did overpay, the trade was nowhere near as terrible as some make it out to have been.

Burke went after plenty of pugnacity through free-agent signings in 2009: Colton Orr and Jay Rosehill are shining examples. Arguably Burke’s worst move of the entire year was signing free agent Mike Komisarek. Komisarek’s contract was both too long and too expensive. While he provides some leadership as the Leafs alternate captain, he hasn’t made any kind of significant impact on the ice.

Into the Present

The team continued to improve in 2010. Burke acquired Joffrey Lupul, Jake Gardiner, and a fourth-round pick, all from Anaheim, in exchange for Francois Beauchemin. He also unloaded defensive deadweight Tomas Kaberle for a first-round pick from Boston. (Haters of Burke’s decision to take Kessel from Boston should love this one, as Kaberle has been pretty much dreadful for the Bruins.) In terms of free agents, the Leafs finally acquired some goaltending depth by signing Ben Scrivens and Jussi Rynnas, while James Reimer was emerging as another possible goalie talent. Clarke MacArthur, Colby Armstrong, and Michael Zigomanis were all excellent cost-for-value free agent signings in 2010 for the Leafs.

These moves have worked well for the Leafs. Kessel and Lupul are now the leading scorers on the team, while Phaneuf leads the team on scoring from the blue line. If recently acquired James van Riemsdyk adjusts well to a centre position between Kessel and Lupul, the Leafs will be looking even stronger this year than last. Without question, the current version of the Toronto Maple Leafs has promise. The team could be a fringe playoff contender for the first time in years. Granted, it still lacks a premier centreman, and while its goaltending prospects are very promising, they’re still largely unproven.

Toronto is still some distance from Stanley Cup contention, but the Leafs are a hell of a lot better than they were when Brian Burke first inherited the team. Had Burke not been so unceremoniously canned, it seems rather likely that Leafs fans would have started to see consecutive trips to the post-season for Toronto.

What can the Maple Leafs expect in the coming season? It’s still somewhat of a crap shoot. Burke’s replacement, Dave Nonis, is a Burke loyalist. It would be very surprising to see any kind of a roster shakeup. The Leafs’ best course of action would be to keep with the Burke plan—which notably includes staying away from trading for Roberto Luongo.

We’ll miss Burke’s truculence in press conferences almost as much as we’ll miss his excellent advocacy and charity work in Toronto over the past several years. (I mean, hell, we even selected Burke as a 2012 Hero for his efforts in promoting LGBTQ rights.) As for the Toronto Maple Leafs, we’re hoping that Burke’s vision for the team will come to fruition, even though Burke himself will have moved on.
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Ok.

i am pretty much getting annoyed now.

Please explain something to me, I am all ears. In the NHL, with an active roster of close to 20 players, how does one turn a completely lost franchise into a winner in 4 years?

Please tell me.

While explaining, please keep in mind the city, the ownership and the culture that had been fostered since Ballard was there.

You guys can say what you'd like but you're drawing from surface noise and not paying any attention whatsoever to what really happens.

When this guy came here the Franchise was absolutely done. Nobody on the ice, zero on the farm, and nothing in the minors. Do you know how long it takes to turn that around. keep in mind that Toronto ownership mandated that the team at least look like it was trying by signing old, and washed up "names" to keep fans attention, win just enough to look like they were gonna make the playoffs, and basically keep the brand name relevant.

You think I "Love" burke? Nope. But I know what he was doing, and he was the ONLY GM to have the nuts to do it in Toronto since I was a child. He took on ownership and did it his way. He paid for a way better staff, he hired good scouts, he spent his life on the road looking for new players. Toronto's infrastructural improved and so to did the results. People whine about the Kessel trade, well thats why the stockpiled so many picks, so they COULD make those moves to acquire a guaranteed commodity and not have to rely on a gamble. Kessel was 6th in scoring last year, you fucking guy wanna call everything a disaster...why, because he isnt Sidney effin crosby????? Sorry buddy, but calling that "dreadful" shows what you clearly don't grasp. When the dust settles, dougie Hamilton may become a winner, looks like he will, but from day one we know Kessel was. Oh, ps. Hows Kaberle doing?

Right now, Toronto is still at the bottom. But not far from being decent. the turn around so far was 4 years. with ownership that would NOT tolerate a planned tank, how the FUCK do you think you do it? This isn't a small market American wasteland where youre allowed to be last over all for 5 years (while toronto shares its revenue to keep you alive). In Toronto its a massive and complex game. As for the new guy, he will simply follow what the old guy was doing. So I'm happy bout that.

Here's an article a buddy of mine did. Its a fairly simple and basic piece thats good for people to get perspective. The failure of most is in unrealistic expectations. Fact is, burke was doing a fine job. He was fired over ego.

The 2008 Toronto Maple Leafs was easily the worst hockey team in recent memory.

There really wasn’t anything good about it. The team had no significant scoring talent to rally around, nothing remotely promising in the Toronto Marlies system, and next to no hopeful draft picks. The Leafs’ roster was bloated with players whose contracts included no-trade clauses, and two of the marginally valuable tradeworthy players—Carlo Colaiacovo and Alex Steen—were dealt to the St. Louis Blues less than a week before Brian Burke took the team’s reins. When Burke signed on as the Maple Leafs’ general manager halfway through the 2008-2009 season, the team he was inheriting wasn’t just bad, it was absolutely abysmal.

You can typically take any NHL team and sell off top performing assets for reasonable prospects, draft picks, or depth players. Take, for example, the worst performing team of the past decade: the 2006-07 Philadelphia Flyers. Of 164 possible points in a season, they managed only 56. Forget fifty-fifty: this team only won a quarter of its games that season. Even though the 06-07 Flyers was such a poor team, it still had plenty of assets to rebuild with. For example: trading Peter Forsberg landed it two promising prospects, a first-round pick, and a third-round pick from Nashville.

The 2008 Maple Leafs, however, could only manage a single second-round pick by trading away what was arguably their most valuable asset at that time: Nik Antropov. But it’s worth noting that the same day Burke traded Antropov for a second-rounder, he also managed to get another second-round pick for Dominic Moore, which is excellent value when you consider that Moore has never achieved stats to the level that he did for the Leafs in 08-09.

The rebuild had begun. Burke was selling off what assets the Leafs had as best as he could. The team was still terrible, and there was a long, long way to go. But at least it was getting better. In 2008, the Leafs had worse than nothing. By the end of 2009, they’d managed to bring themselves back to plain-old “nothing.”

Bigger Moves

In Burke’s first full season with the Leafs, his roster moves got bigger and bolder. Over the summer he wisely got rid of failed goaltending prospect Justin Pogge. He also acquired yet another second-round pick in exchange for two non-impact players.

In 2008, the Leafs were trying to survive on an inconsistent Vesa Toskala in the net, with a backup trio that included a well-past-his-prime Curtis Joseph, as well waiver-wire scraps from Ottawa in Martin Gerber, and also Pogge. Burke drastically improved the Leafs’ goaltending situation in 2009 by signing Jonas Gustavsson from Sweden, as well as upgrading from Vesa Toskala to Jean-Sébastien Giguère in a trade with Anaheim. The 09-10 season also saw Burke land a jackpot trade that brought premier defenceman Dion Phaneuf to Toronto in exchange for a grab-bag of spare parts.

And then, there was the Kessel trade. For some reason, Leafs fans and sports media love to rip Burke for this move. The Leafs gave up two years worth of first-round picks and a second-round pick for Phil Kessel. Yes, those two first-round picks ended up becoming Tyler Seguin (already an NHL All-Star) and Dougie Hamilton, who would have helped immensely. It’s easy to look back at this trade and say that Burke overpaid. At the time of the trade, however, the Leafs were getting a player that Burke believed to have All-Star potential for draft picks that could either have been boom or bust. And Kessel has performed as advertised. He’s been leading the Leafs in scoring while earning All-Star recognition in each of the last two seasons. Though in hindsight Burke did overpay, the trade was nowhere near as terrible as some make it out to have been.

Burke went after plenty of pugnacity through free-agent signings in 2009: Colton Orr and Jay Rosehill are shining examples. Arguably Burke’s worst move of the entire year was signing free agent Mike Komisarek. Komisarek’s contract was both too long and too expensive. While he provides some leadership as the Leafs alternate captain, he hasn’t made any kind of significant impact on the ice.

Into the Present

The team continued to improve in 2010. Burke acquired Joffrey Lupul, Jake Gardiner, and a fourth-round pick, all from Anaheim, in exchange for Francois Beauchemin. He also unloaded defensive deadweight Tomas Kaberle for a first-round pick from Boston. (Haters of Burke’s decision to take Kessel from Boston should love this one, as Kaberle has been pretty much dreadful for the Bruins.) In terms of free agents, the Leafs finally acquired some goaltending depth by signing Ben Scrivens and Jussi Rynnas, while James Reimer was emerging as another possible goalie talent. Clarke MacArthur, Colby Armstrong, and Michael Zigomanis were all excellent cost-for-value free agent signings in 2010 for the Leafs.

These moves have worked well for the Leafs. Kessel and Lupul are now the leading scorers on the team, while Phaneuf leads the team on scoring from the blue line. If recently acquired James van Riemsdyk adjusts well to a centre position between Kessel and Lupul, the Leafs will be looking even stronger this year than last. Without question, the current version of the Toronto Maple Leafs has promise. The team could be a fringe playoff contender for the first time in years. Granted, it still lacks a premier centreman, and while its goaltending prospects are very promising, they’re still largely unproven.

Toronto is still some distance from Stanley Cup contention, but the Leafs are a hell of a lot better than they were when Brian Burke first inherited the team. Had Burke not been so unceremoniously canned, it seems rather likely that Leafs fans would have started to see consecutive trips to the post-season for Toronto.

What can the Maple Leafs expect in the coming season? It’s still somewhat of a crap shoot. Burke’s replacement, Dave Nonis, is a Burke loyalist. It would be very surprising to see any kind of a roster shakeup. The Leafs’ best course of action would be to keep with the Burke plan—which notably includes staying away from trading for Roberto Luongo.

We’ll miss Burke’s truculence in press conferences almost as much as we’ll miss his excellent advocacy and charity work in Toronto over the past several years. (I mean, hell, we even selected Burke as a 2012 Hero for his efforts in promoting LGBTQ rights.) As for the Toronto Maple Leafs, we’re hoping that Burke’s vision for the team will come to fruition, even though Burke himself will have moved on.
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I would of gave Burke this year at least. Short season, finally built up a decent roster, and had a chance to see how it would gel, and what sort of moves still need, or at least could be made. Some teams would probably be ready to jump the gun on deals a little easier in an effort to go for it all with the short season.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:52 PM   #5595 (permalink)
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i think what BB has managed to accomplish since being here is nothing short of miraculous
all you have to do is look at what was here when he arrived (a colossal pile of shit players right up to and including upper management)
the complete and thorough turn around of this organization is quite simply stunning

Marlies...tied for 3rd overall (?) in the AHL...fucking LOADED with young talent ready to move up
Management...has assembled one of THE best management/scouting staffs in sports today
Leafs...has basically traded away the whole team that was here when he arrived (i'll just defer to SJ's excellent article above)
imho, they are 3 or 4 players away from making a serious run...and that's in 4 short years...let me repeat that...4 FUCKING YEARS

has he been perfect ?...hell no...but no GM is

a couple of things i was baffled by...

1- trading Pogge about 2 weeks before Alaire arrived...still baffled by this one because imho those 2 were made for each other...previous goalie coach (can't remember his name) was fucking horrible...imho he single handedly ruined Pogge
2 - Ron Wilson...everyone here knows how much i hate Ron Wilson ...but put that aside
still baffled why BB was building a defensive minded team and had a coach in place that had no fucking clue how to teach it/utilize it
for me, this was BB's only true blunder (imho, he kept him out of blind loyalty)

i just want to add that if BB told ownership to go fuck themselves when it came to Luongo..then i say bravo
Luongo is NOT the answer for this team right now...his contract is fucking horrid...already played over 800 (?) games and his skillsets are diminishing at a fairly steady pace...another 10 years - fuck that !!

if this team wants an experienced goalie then i suggest giving the Flames a call and inquire about Kiprusoff (Flames are going nowhere)
or call St.Louis and ask about either Halak or Elliot
with the short season and the new CBA, there will be teams looking to move certain contracts/players over the next couple of months...THAT is when you swoop in and take advantage...NOT NOW

bottom line is that thanks to Brian Burke (and no, NOT ownership) this organization is light years ahead of where they were 4 years ago and this sad sack organization is heading in the right direction for the 1st time in maybe the last 25 years
so what does ownership do ?...fire him because they don't like him
why do i say that with relative confidence ?...because the guy they asked to replace him is nothing more than a clone when it comes to hockey ideals/philosophy (they didn't even pretend they wanted the "new" GM to go in a different direction)

this was a political/personal move by some fat fuck who's probably never strapped on a set of blades in his life...yet thinks he knows better than one of the best minds in hockey today

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Old 01-15-2013, 12:59 PM   #5596 (permalink)
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:25 PM   #5597 (permalink)
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:27 PM   #5598 (permalink)
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Alas, Burke got dismissed not just because of his record but because wasn't going to play nice in ths sandbox with the egos of corporate hotdogs.

He has done a good job of re-building the far system. Seemed like JFJ had only one mandate....squeek into the playoffs at all costs.

IMHO, what ended up missing though was the true franchise guy(s).


There is nothing to say you will end up with the Toews/Kane, Malkin/Crosby or Lemieux/Jagr in the draft through being a bad team but when you already stink, and you get your shot....and most people agree that the fanbase could take it, I'm thinking go ahead and stockpile those guys who never seem to become available form other teams. They never seem to move. They get drafted and stick.

I'm not a Leaf fan, but we got a glimpse of that with the Raptors. If you're already at the bottom, get all you can on the way up.

But at least I can respect wanting to go ahead and be competetive from the outset. Obviously Burke wasn't a tank kind of guy.
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Goaltending Killed a lot
and more importantly..a proper and effective defensive system in front of the goaltenders
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