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Old 10-20-2012, 11:10 AM   #5441 (permalink)
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name 3 that would even want luongo or want to pay his contract.
I just don't think when they are back playing hockey that there will be as many teams bleeding red ink. Not to mention that there could still be an amnesty clause. So I couldn't mention all the specific teams yet. But if they roll back 10%, suddenly his cap hit is about 4.7 mil or close?

Take for example a team like Montreal. They are limited by paying Gomez 7.3 mil each of the next 2 years. With an amesty clause and/or salary roll back, they'd be able to say they are set at goal and defense, but suddenly have a lot of options at forward, where they need more skill. Much the same way, I'd expect teams that had wonky or passable goaltending to have more options. So Vancouver would be crazy to lock in a deal now.

Without thinking much about it, what would come to mind are Tampa, Philly, NYI, Chicago? maybe even Edmonton if they can score a defenseman too? it's time they were back in the playoffs.

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Old 10-21-2012, 08:39 AM   #5442 (permalink)
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I just don't think when they are back playing hockey that there will be as many teams bleeding red ink. Not to mention that there could still be an amnesty clause. So I couldn't mention all the specific teams yet. But if they roll back 10%, suddenly his cap hit is about 4.7 mil or close?

Take for example a team like Montreal. They are limited by paying Gomez 7.3 mil each of the next 2 years. With an amesty clause and/or salary roll back, they'd be able to say they are set at goal and defense, but suddenly have a lot of options at forward, where they need more skill. Much the same way, I'd expect teams that had wonky or passable goaltending to have more options. So Vancouver would be crazy to lock in a deal now.

Without thinking much about it, what would come to mind are Tampa, Philly, NYI, Chicago? maybe even Edmonton if they can score a defenseman too? it's time they were back in the playoffs.
The players haven't budged on the fact that they do not want their contracts touched or to be tampered with at all, and thats one of the main parts of the lockout. So I honestly don't see anything happening other than possibly a slight rollback like you said (maybe even something as little as 5%).

Montreal aren't contenders at the moment, and I don't think he'd serve much of a use. Not to mention their everlasting love for price

Tampa I could see as a maybe. Bit pricey, and probably wouldn't be willing to pay much.

Philly straight up can't afford that kind of cap hit, or would be willing to pay the price considering the team they have (Yes I'm aware their goaltending is garbage, but still, solid team otherwise)

Islanders still aren't contenders, and I don't think they wanna pay that kind of money on the entirety of his contract (given the length) considering that team is in bad enough shape as it is.

Edmonton I could see it, depeding on the price it's a maybe.

Chicago is another maybe, I don't think they'd be willing to pay it though, they seem to like the young goalies. Although they might dangle Kane given everything last year, still doubt it though.

Personally, I want Toronto to back the hell off completely and go another route other than Lou.
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Vancouver should keep Lou,he isn't a bad goalie. Schneider isn't proven.

Chicago is a perfect fit otherwise,and even Detroit(I'm a Wings fan and don't really like Howard). The Canucks still fear Luongo's talents though and will likely trade him to the East

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Old 10-21-2012, 11:07 AM   #5444 (permalink)
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:54 PM   #5445 (permalink)
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The players haven't budged on the fact that they do not want their contracts touched or to be tampered with at all, and thats one of the main parts of the lockout. So I honestly don't see anything happening other than possibly a slight rollback like you said (maybe even something as little as 5%).

Montreal aren't contenders at the moment, and I don't think he'd serve much of a use. Not to mention their everlasting love for price

Tampa I could see as a maybe. Bit pricey, and probably wouldn't be willing to pay much.

Philly straight up can't afford that kind of cap hit, or would be willing to pay the price considering the team they have (Yes I'm aware their goaltending is garbage, but still, solid team otherwise)

Islanders still aren't contenders, and I don't think they wanna pay that kind of money on the entirety of his contract (given the length) considering that team is in bad enough shape as it is.

Edmonton I could see it, depeding on the price it's a maybe.

Chicago is another maybe, I don't think they'd be willing to pay it though, they seem to like the young goalies. Although they might dangle Kane given everything last year, still doubt it though.

Personally, I want Toronto to back the hell off completely and go another route other than Lou.
I was only using Montreal as an example of how the amnesty and a rollback might allow a team to address the position that has held them back (offense).

The other teams I mentioned were teams that also seem to need do to something....either because they are loaded up front and will waste an opportunity by doing nothing in the back end or because they can't continue to perpetually miss the playoffs.

But I'd have to agree with you. Luongo in Toronto might not end well but his ego might land him here. i.e. "I'm a big stage kind of guy".
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:07 PM   #5446 (permalink)
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Islanders going to brooklyn in a couple years.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:01 PM   #5447 (permalink)
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Islanders going to brooklyn in a couple years.
there's going to be 3 NHL teams within an hour of each other. time for the GTA to get another team. I heard that they built Barclays Center without hockey as a focus.Will only have 14,500 seats making it smaller than Winnipeg's arena.
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Yea small capacity for hockey, and some bad sightlines.
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there's going to be 3 NHL teams within an hour of each other. time for the GTA to get another team. I heard that they built Barclays Center without hockey as a focus.Will only have 14,500 seats making it smaller than Winnipeg's arena.
the Brooklyn Islanders....hmmmm...horrible name

congrats to the Islander organization though...very good move on their part...and it looks like Barclays developer Bruce Ratner and Wang have discussed seating and expect to add seats to bring capacity to 15,015-plus. That would match Winnipeg's MTS Centre (15,015) as the smallest NHL arena.

Islanders averaged about 13,000 at the 16,234-seat Nassau Coliseum...so 15 should be the perfect venue for them
now if they can just change those freaking horrible unis
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They are keeping the name. Wonder if Brooklyn hipsters like hockey.

Looks like the arena doesn't have good views for hockey: New York Islanders Adrift: Barclays Center website has a Different Seating Chart than Ticketmaster

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They are keeping the name. Wonder if Brooklyn hipsters likely hockey.

Looks like the arena doesn't have good views for hockey: New York Islanders Adrift: Barclays Center website has a Different Seating Chart than Ticketmaster
Wow..that chart is horrible...a horseshoe ?..really ?
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:34 AM   #5452 (permalink)
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I was only using Montreal as an example of how the amnesty and a rollback might allow a team to address the position that has held them back (offense).

The other teams I mentioned were teams that also seem to need do to something....either because they are loaded up front and will waste an opportunity by doing nothing in the back end or because they can't continue to perpetually miss the playoffs.

But I'd have to agree with you. Luongo in Toronto might not end well but his ego might land him here. i.e. "I'm a big stage kind of guy".
Ya I understand where your coming from as far as a possible amnesty/rollback, a lot more situations play out there, and its impossible to say who would go where given that kind of situation.

I agree on those teams needing to make a move, just for the majority I don't see Lou as a fit, but I'm no expert, just my opinion

I got a good laugh at Lou being a big stage guy, considering how many times hes failed in the playoffs, given the opportunities he's had. Made it to a cup final, yes, then choked as he always does on the only real big stage (the playoffs) As far as a regular season goalie, he's top notch.

Age, contract length and price and constant playoff failure is my reasoning for them to back off Lou, he won't bring this team anywhere but a first or second round exit... maybe... As much as that playoff berth would be an awesome achievement given recent history, I really don't care that much if it's still mediocre team, that squeaks in and grabs a max of 5th place, to just get bounced, that doesn't excite me.
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can't believe Bettman is still the comish. going to lose another full season for the 2nd time in 5 years and he still has a job
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can't believe Bettman is still the comish. going to lose another full season for the 2nd time in 5 years and he still has a job
multi billionaires in a pissing contest with multi millionaires...fucking ridiculous

who cares...won't miss it at all
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multi billionaires in a pissing contest with multi millionaires...fucking ridiculous

who cares...won't miss it at all
KHL, AHL and CHL still going on as planned

at least the Marlies have a chance of winning a league championship...
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Unfortunately for me, there's nothing like the big leagues, and specifically the NHL playoffs. Remember Philly vs. Pittsburgh this year?

But fortunately, I like to play hockey more, but like to watch basketball more. Go Raps! To be honest, I can't even say I need the Raps to get into the playoffs. I just want to see a team that will finally go to war. I'll just wait the NHL work stoppage out.
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at least the Marlies have a chance of winning a league championship...
i've always enjoyed watching the Marlies at the Ricoh....great atmosphere in there
if anyone hasn't watched a game there...i highly recommend it
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Less than a day after withdrawing their latest CBA proposal to the NHL Players' Association, the National Hockey League is set to announce the cancellation of November's remaining games.

The league cancelled regular season games from Oct. 25 through Nov. 1 last week and Friday's announcement will scratch a total of 326 games from the 2012-13 season.
NHL to announce cancellation of games through Nov. 30

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Old 10-27-2012, 11:15 AM   #5460 (permalink)
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I'd be interested to know what you guys actually think about the lockout situation. Sorry, but I'm not pro player.

I understand the principle of not liking to lose a percentage of salary because the current system doesn't work.

We're all part of driving up salaries.....owners, players fans. We can't watch other teams picking up free agents without screaming for our own. Owners demand it, players demand better teams, fans demand it. The way to sign them is usually offering the most money permitted. I don't see any players upset watching the costs spin out of control as it it going on. Why would they be? So, some franchises are in shambles.

But....

1. Of the major leagues, you are in the league with the lowest revenue and you want they highest cut of revenue? It SHOULD be less than the 50-50 split the other leagues have, not more or even equal!!!!!

2. Your careers are short and an awful lot of guys have parasites living off their fortunes and aren't responsible with their money anyway. So can you afford to lose another $5 mil in salary, worse if it's for the second time in your career?

3. If it is so terrible to live off the 5 million you are being offered instead of the 5.5 million you signed for, then what, Latrell Sprewell, are you doing playing for $250,000 in Switzerland?

4. For those of us who live in the real world, if the owners own the business and take alll the risk, they get to decide what they are willing to pay employees and it is re-visited at the end of every CBA. Different economy, different situation. When they retire, if they have saved their money, I'm pretty sure players will jump at the chance to lose $20 mil per year to be a franchise owner just to be able to compete?

5. If utlimately a couple of teams get contracted, some players are going to lose the jobs, pay and cushy conditions that they currently find unacceptable. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but some players should probably speak up before some guys end up playing overseas permanently.

Bottom line, I don't care if they lose a season now. I work hard for my money also. But the parallel for me would be if I find a homeless person lying on the street, walk up and complain about how unbearable it is to have a house, car and savings. I would hope he musters up enough strength to punch me.

Wake me up when clowns realize they are living in Disneyland.
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