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Old 01-10-2008, 12:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I actually like Foligno. Foligno with Steen and Stajan would be a kick ass 3rd line/checking line for the Leafs.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Disclaimer: I am not a Leaf fan. Moreso, I'm not really a hockey fan anymore. I don't keep up that often with current hockey issues.

Here is my train of thought.

1. The Leafs suck, and the fans are complaining.
2. The Leafs struggle to make the playoffs every year.
3. If we were to blow up the team and go young, we would probably do no worse in the standings.
4. Financially, the Leafs will arguably spend less as a result.
5. Most fans want the Leafs to start fresh.
6. Seats will still sell out because Canadian hockey fans are passionate about hockey at all levels and scopes. With the great interest in junior hockey and other leagues, it's clear Canadians are just as interested in seeing talent develop as they are in winning. Most would love to be a part of a young, building Leaf team with promise.
7. Why doesn't MLSE just destroy the roster based on these facts?

Am I wrong?
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:36 AM   #23 (permalink)
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No, you're not wrong at all lang.

MLSE won't blow up the roster because there's hope that the team JUST squeezes into the playoffs and guarantees 2 home dates for the playoffs which equals extra revenue. The thing that they're not realizing is that by not allowing the GM to properly develop this team, they're going to be a fringe playoff team (if that at all) for quite some time.
They should take a page out of Chicago's book. Or Philadelphia. Or Edmonton. Sell off the older talent and bring in some fresh young blood.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:08 AM   #24 (permalink)
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yes of course.

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. The one thing i don't know is just how exactly is JFJ running this team? Does he have the power to do whatever he sees fit? Because any person with half a brain who knows how to manage a sports team will concede that it's time to start fresh with the Maple Laughs. In fact starting over is about three years overdue!

So really what's the deal with John Ferguson jr.?
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:14 AM   #25 (permalink)
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yes of course.

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. The one thing i don't know is just how exactly is JFJ running this team? Does he have the power to do whatever he sees fit? Because any person with half a brain who knows how to manage a sports team will concede that it's time to start fresh with the Maple Laughs. In fact starting over is about three years overdue!

So really what's the deal with John Ferguson jr.?
It's hard, fancy. I think JFJ is a pretty smart dude. He comes from a good hockey pedigree and has been around the game his whole life. The problem is that management -> MLSE/Peddie are expecting the Leafs to win and do whatever it takes to win. Now this might not be what JFJ wants to do - he probably has a different philosophy (ie building the farm system), but in order for him to retain his job, he has to win, and by blowing up the team and starting over defeats that purpose. He's in a pretty hard place. MLSE has to realize that this is a process. Short term suffering for long term gain. The fans will still come and buy oodles of cheesy Leafs wares. That won't stop. MOST Leafs fans are the most loyal and dumbest in all the NHL. They sell out every night. Why not do something nice for the reputation of the team and for the fans by allowing this team to start fresh?
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:30 AM   #26 (permalink)
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ya, i got that and i totally agree with you.

but... Ferguson must realize that this current squad is about as bad as any young, rebuilding team would be. so everything comes across as terrible becuase NO progress in terms of development is being made. Even his transactions to keep the team treading water have been terrible. Toskala is the only move he's made in all his years that's somewhat worked in his favor.

Here's my main point:
If he was a good GM, he would either rebuild properly the team convincing the board that that is THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, and if the "board" doesn't let him do that then he should resign immediately for his own sake as he's pretty much screwing himself big time with the way he's currently run the team into the ground.

If i'm a hockey franchise looking for a new GM, and JFJ is available, i don't touch him with a 10 foot pole based on what he's done in toronto. The man must realise the value of his career in management is dropping like a piano off the CN tower.

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Old 01-11-2008, 10:52 AM   #27 (permalink)
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JFJ can't do anything. He tried to fire Maurice back in November but was blocked by MLSE (notably Peddie). He probably went to MLSE and said " I would like to rebuild". MLSE rebuffed the idea and informed him that his mandate was to make the playoffs or else. All of this is Peddie's fault. He needs to stop being so intrusive.
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Old 01-11-2008, 04:03 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Sorry to change the subject guys, but just wanted to let ya'll know that Heatley and Spezza will be joining Alfie at the All-Star game too. Only Leaf? Nope, not Mats but Kaberle.

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Old 01-12-2008, 01:52 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Just incase non of you knew, the two top teams from each conference (and well two top teams in the league ) are playing in Ottawa tonight. Detroit coming to town and it should be a helluva game.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:47 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Bad News: Heatley's out for 4 to 6 weeks with a separated shoulder, but we still beat the Wings

Knowing our depth in Ottawa, we should be fine but we will notice the impact of this loss for the next couple weeks.

Good News: Leafs blew yet another lead heading into the 3rd period. Anyone feel something big is going to happen this week back in Toronto?
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:37 AM   #31 (permalink)
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First on the Heatley issue: That's going to be some loss, and now with Spezza getting rocked last night - who knows how long either are going to be out. If I'm Spezza, I skip the ASG and just rest up. I think it's time they trade Emery and sign Cujo.

As for Sundin not going to the ASG, he told Paddock that he didn't want to be selected and wanted the 3-4 days off.

The Leafs this week have Carolina at home Tuesday, the Bruins in Boston on Thursday, the Sabres in Toronto on Saturday and the Devils in Newark Sunday. The only game I could see them winning is against Buffalo on Saturday, but I don't expect that. Seriously, they should tank the rest of the season and get in a position to get Stamkos in the draft.
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:51 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah, Paddock said last night that Spezza's injury wasn't that serious and that he took him out for precautionary reasons. If it is a significant injury, we're in trouble. Losing one of your stars is tough, but losing two will definitely affective the team.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:18 AM   #33 (permalink)
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D-Day in Toronto fellas .... it would seem as though according to sources that JFJ will be given his walking papers today. Only question is, will Fletcher be his replacement or do the Leafs have someone else in mind?

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Old 01-22-2008, 10:25 AM   #34 (permalink)
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No matter who goes in, the Leafs are a delusional franchise. Everyone in the league knows they should trade Sundin. But now? They see their little run and think PLAYOFFS!

Why not build towards the future?
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:31 AM   #35 (permalink)
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They've had their minds made up a LONG time ago. JFJ is out - and it's a shame. I think JFJ is a budding hockey mind. I think if he was allowed to do what he wanted to do with the team, this team would be much better off. The problem is, MLSE wants to win now so they could get extra revenue. What they're not looking at is the big picture. If they don't re-build, there's no chance of them getting to the playoffs to get that extra revenue.

It's time to clean house. Trade Sundin, trade McCabe (if you could find a willing partner - ie - Islanders), trade Toskala (yeah, I said it - I mean, who's gonna take Raycroft? No one. You might as well trade the goaltender who's more valuable now), trade Tucker.

I believe Fletcher will get some nice assets in return for those players.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:40 AM   #36 (permalink)
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The Leafs should've traded Sundin about four years ago. lol
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Old 01-22-2008, 12:38 PM   #37 (permalink)
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yup. it's official now.
Ferguson gone. Fletcher interim GM.

Here's what i found funny. That Gord Kirk guy from the fan will be hired to select the permanent GM once the season is done. Wasn't he Eric Lindros' agent? Good one MLSE.. whatever.

This is all according to the score.

press conference at 1:00.
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Old 01-22-2008, 01:06 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Yup, but if Cliff doesn't come in and clean house now, then there was no point in making such a move right now. If he's going to stand pat and not make any significant moves, then this decision could of waited till the offseason. JMO
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wait a sec. It could be the exact same situation that the Raptors were in when Wayne Embry was put in as interim. That is to say they may WANT Fletcher to move some of the undesirable pieces a la McCabe, Tucker, maybe Sundin in order to give the new GM more of a fresh slate. More or less like the one Colangelo got when he started.

The more i see it, the more i can see the same process unfolding in MLSE's other franchise.
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wait a sec. It could be the exact same situation that the Raptors were in when Wayne Embry was put in as interim. That is to say they may WANT Fletcher to move some of the undesirable pieces a la McCabe, Tucker, maybe Sundin in order to give the new GM more of a fresh slate. More or less like the one Colangelo got when he started.

The more i see it, the more i can see the same process unfolding in MLSE's other franchise.
Hahaha.. I think you've giving the hockey operations side way too much credit, fancy.
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