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Old 08-15-2009, 01:06 AM   #301 (permalink)
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Hell no to Favre. Jackson could be OK. They need to continue to improve defensively and they'll be alright.
i agree...jackson has a high ceiling, if he can stay healthy and if brad childress stops changing qb's like his underwear.....and he took that team to the playoffs if he continues to grow...
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Old 08-15-2009, 01:18 AM   #302 (permalink)
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never did i say i expected him to play in front of mcnabb

ideally, what i thought was that they were bringing him in to back-up mcnabb up and maybe eventually become the starting quarterback next season. that would explain the 1.6 million this season and the 5+ for next, no?

as for the wildcat, it is a gimmick. it surprised teams last year, teams are going to learn how to better defend it this season. everyone talks about how every team is going to implement into their offense. do you really see them using that formation more than a couple times a game? if they do, it's out of desperation.
ummm no...because only 3 string NFL players make less than that.....the minimum he can make in the first ear is 700k but hes worth more than that....and in the second year its a team option and only about 3 mil is guaranteed in the 2 year contract.....so hes only making 3 mil in the 2 years.....and the gm/coach/owner all said kevin kolb's job is not at stake....so i guarantee you hes not gonna be the 2nd string qb....

and about the wild cat offense.....i am not even gonna argue because your not getting it......its almost as popular as the spread offense.....people are drafting qb's, who can play multiple positions just to play the wild cat.....and gm's aren't stupid.....they know what they are doing....and that's what everyone said about wild cat in the beginning of the season....and guess what...almost every team in the league runs it....and successfully....and you only need to use it couple of times a game because it usually gives you a huge gain and/or a touchdown......
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Old 08-15-2009, 01:39 AM   #303 (permalink)
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The Eagles will hold a news conference on Friday morning to announce the Michael Vick contract signing. The first year of the deal is for $1.6 million deal with an option for the second year at $5.2 million, FoxSports.com reports
i don't feel like digging, but i also read that he has up to 3 million in incentives.

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so hes only making 3 mil in the 2 years
if what you said is true, that's if they decide not to pick-up his option. otherwise (if the reported figures are correct) he's getting paid 5+ million. that's a lot for both a back-up and/or a specialist just for the wildcat.

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and you only need to use it couple of times a game because it usually gives you a huge gain and/or a touchdown......


it's a gimmick
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i agree...jackson has a high ceiling, if he can stay healthy and if brad childress stops changing qb's like his underwear.....and he took that team to the playoffs if he continues to grow...
Jackson doesn't need to do much
give the ball to AP/Taylor 60% of the time and play action pass
left side of the o-line is good, so he has time to throw
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if what you said is true, that's if they decide not to pick-up his option. otherwise (if the reported figures are correct) he's getting paid 5+ million. that's a lot for both a back-up and/or a specialist just for the wildcat.
you dont know much about a NFL contract do you?....its not like a basketball contract....out of that 6+ million dollars over the 2 years...only 3 million is guaranteed money....you have to do certain stuff for a team to get the whole contract....for example, it could be something like make it to the Superbowl....or statics...and when a player completes those requirements, then only they get paid...

and if you still think wild cat is a gimmick....you need to watch more football....

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Old 08-15-2009, 03:51 PM   #307 (permalink)
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Jackson doesn't need to do much
give the ball to AP/Taylor 60% of the time and play action pass
left side of the o-line is good, so he has time to throw
i agree but to do that he needs to stay healthy and if can....he will be one of the good starting qb's in the league...
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Old 08-15-2009, 08:05 PM   #308 (permalink)
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you dont know much about a NFL contract do you?....its not like a basketball contract....out of that 6+ million dollars over the 2 years...only 3 million is guaranteed money....you have to do certain stuff for a team to get the whole contract....for example, it could be something like make it to the Superbowl....or statics...and when a player completes those requirements, then only they get paid...

and if you still think wild cat is a gimmick....you need to watch more football....
no, you're completely wrong

not one cent of vicks contract is guaranteed

incentives are not part of the base contract

if you can show me something saying otherwise, go for it, otherwise you're just making figures up.

why would i need to watch more football to see how running backs playing quarterback and quarterbacks lining up as wide receivers is not considered a gimmick? i don't get the reason of lining vick up as a wideout if you're going to have someone like westbrook throwing the ball. it just seems backwards.
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Old 08-15-2009, 08:28 PM   #309 (permalink)
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Eagles quarterback Michael Vick will be paid $1.625 million for the 2009 season regardless of the length of any pending suspension by the NFL, unless he is released by the team prior to the opening game, NFL Players Association sources familiar with the contract told ESPN. Vick's contract does not contain any language that prorates his base salary based on his availability for a 16-game season, the sources said. Thus, if NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspends Vick for a designated period of the regular season, Vick will not be docked a paycheck by the Eagles for missing those games. Vick also will receive $5.25 million for the 2010 season if he remains with the Eagles, including a $1.5 million roster bonus due by March 5. Once paid, it is counted as money earned. In addition to the bonus, Vick's base salary in 2010 is $3.75 million, of which $1 million is guaranteed. Vick does not have incentives in his contract for 2009, but does have a $2.75 million worth of incentives for 2010, in addition to the roster bonus and base salary. Technically, Vick's contract is not guaranteed, but under the collective bargaining agreement, his salary is guaranteed for this season if he is on the opening day roster because he is a vested veteran
Michael Vick of Philadelphia Eagles returns to practice field, runs scout team offense. - ESPN

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year one - 1.625 if he makes the opening day roster

year two - 1.5 million bonus for making the team with a salary of 3.75 million (5.25 million) which does not include the 2.75 million in incentives

if the option is picked up for year two 1 million of the contract is guaranteed.

so, you're full of shit.

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Old 08-16-2009, 02:02 AM   #310 (permalink)
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Eagles quarterback Michael Vick will be paid $1.625 million for the 2009 season regardless of the length of any pending suspension by the NFL, unless he is released by the team prior to the opening game, NFL Players Association sources familiar with the contract told ESPN. Vick's contract does not contain any language that prorates his base salary based on his availability for a 16-game season, the sources said. Thus, if NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspends Vick for a designated period of the regular season, Vick will not be docked a paycheck by the Eagles for missing those games. Vick also will receive $5.25 million for the 2010 season if he remains with the Eagles, including a $1.5 million roster bonus due by March 5. Once paid, it is counted as money earned. In addition to the bonus, Vick's base salary in 2010 is $3.75 million, of which $1 million is guaranteed. Vick does not have incentives in his contract for 2009, but does have a $2.75 million worth of incentives for 2010, in addition to the roster bonus and base salary. Technically, Vick's contract is not guaranteed, but under the collective bargaining agreement, his salary is guaranteed for this season if he is on the opening day roster because he is a vested veteran
right....i see 2.625 mil in guaranteed money....i dont know how hard it is to understand.....i don't know what your looking at....and i was talking about about the guaranteed money only...not the bonuses....like i said before in my post....so maybe you should actually read my posts.....

and you still haven't explained why the wild cat offense in a gimmick....
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Old 08-16-2009, 02:26 AM   #311 (permalink)
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dude, you're just being thick

the second year isn't guaranteed money, so that 1 million doesn't exist unless they pick up his second year option. why should i read over your post? it's incorrect. I provided an article that dismisses your inaccurate claims, so drop it.

as for the wildcat, thats cool if you think running backs playing quarterback, double back quarterback formations and quarterbacks at wide-out is something normal, i don't.

cool, dude?
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Safeties won't cheat when they see the wildcat
they'll sit back and wait for the RB to throw (generally not great throwers), if they do, and pick them off
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dude, you're just being thick

the second year isn't guaranteed money, so that 1 million doesn't exist unless they pick up his second year option. why should i read over your post? it's incorrect. I provided an article that dismisses your inaccurate claims, so drop it.

as for the wildcat, thats cool if you think running backs playing quarterback, double back quarterback formations and quarterbacks at wide-out is something normal, i don't.

cool, dude?
well if we assume that they don't pick up the second year option on vick...why the hell are we having this discussion.....1.6 mill in the first and 1 mil in the second is guaranteed.....
go listen to the press confrence videos from the eagles website and listen to andy reid and the owner, jeff laure, talk about the contract...thats where i get my information.....

and about me being inaccurate....your the one that said eagles have one of the worst olines in the league and when they have one of the best....then our passing game is gonna be non existent, because you thought vick was gonna start ahead of mcnabb....

and about wild cat....the dolphins won their division, and went to the playoffs using the wildcat....of course it is a gimmick....
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Safeties won't cheat when they see the wildcat
they'll sit back and wait for the RB to throw (generally not great throwers), if they do, and pick them off
not if you have someone who can play 2 positons......like vick or even ronnie brown or desan jackson.....its been proven to work.....look at the games last season...
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i already admitted that i was wrong about the o-line

never said that vick would be the start. i just wasn't under the impression that vick would be used exclusively for the wildcat only.

the contact, you're wrong about and obviously still don't understand it.

as for vick playing multiple positions? what position has he played aside from quarterback?
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i already admitted that i was wrong about the o-line

never said that vick would be the start. i just wasn't under the impression that vick would be used exclusively for the wildcat only.

the contact, you're wrong about and obviously still don't understand it.

as for vick playing multiple positions? what position has he played aside from quarterback?
running back....
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:22 PM   #317 (permalink)
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no he hasn't

is that what the eagles plans are with him? line him up as a running back and expecting teams to fall over themselves? guess what, every snap he took in atlanta posed that double threat. how is that any different?
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no he hasn't

is that what the eagles plans are with him? line him up as a running back and expecting teams to fall over themselves? guess what, every snap he took in atlanta posed that double threat. how is that any different?
its called wildcat....and once again they are not gonna be doing it every play...because they already have a great team in place....

and you wouldn't want anything different he was great in atlanta....
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rushing quarterback is the wildcat now?
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great depending on who you ask

any team with good line-backers will shut down vick's run game.
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