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Old 01-05-2011, 02:18 AM   #361 (permalink)
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Buckeyes win and dont deserver it, sorry to say it, but they started a bunch of cheaters to win it. I lost even more respect for the buckeyes...
Cheaters? They're not cheaters. They didn't get a advantage in any way. They broke rule and NCAA punish them for it.

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Old 01-05-2011, 02:19 AM   #362 (permalink)
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Now great game. I'm pumped. I love it. O-H-I-O.
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Old 01-05-2011, 02:22 AM   #363 (permalink)
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Also the worst safety call I ever saw in my life.
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Cheaters? They're not cheaters. They didn't get a advantage in any way. They broke rule and NCAA punish them for it.
Lol, they broke the rules, period, they'd be getting enough money, but are dumb enough to squeek out a bit more. The NCAA should of suspended Pryor for the bowl game as well, just like anyone else should of been. But no, they make it next year, knowing he'll just go in the draft.

Like it or not, the only reason the buckeyes get so many breaks is due to the fact that their a cash cow for the NCAA.

Argue all you want, its my opinion on the matter.
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:22 AM   #365 (permalink)
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Lol, they broke the rules, period, they'd be getting enough money, but are dumb enough to squeek out a bit more. The NCAA should of suspended Pryor for the bowl game as well, just like anyone else should of been. But no, they make it next year, knowing he'll just go in the draft.

Like it or not, the only reason the buckeyes get so many breaks is due to the fact that their a cash cow for the NCAA.

Argue all you want, its my opinion on the matter.

1. Yeah they will get money in the future. This happen their freshman year(2years ago) when they probably didn't have much money. TP and the others don't all come from a rich family. Some come from very poor families so if you can get a couple thousand selling a ring that is your ring its a easy choice. They just happen to get caught 2 years later. If you want to get into a better debate its how NCAA can make millions/billion off these kids and they can't even sell their ring for a couple thousands of $$ without facing punishment.

2. NCAA rules. Its not just Ohio State it would of happen to any team that was in a big BCS bowl game.

3. Pryor might not go pro. He is not ready and said that at the postgame. We will see if its true. Out of the 5 I think Boom Herron(RB) will be the one to go if any went. So to say they didn't get punish is not out of question. They sold a couple rings for a couple thousand of $$$ and will be out 5(hopefully less) games. That is a pretty deep punishment right there. Like I said I can't tell the future if all 5 will come back but I think Thomas, Adams, Posey, and Pryor will as of now. I think Boom will be the one to turn pro. But you never know.

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Fact is they did wrong and will most likely face the punishment next year. Your senior year is the best year and they could miss almost half the regular season cause of that. Its a deep punishment if they come back.

They made a mistake and are trying to do better off it. They came on national TV and all apologize. After the game they all apologize again. They went out there and played a great game with all the distractions around them. They make Ohio State proud. Nobody was tougher on them then Ohio State fans also. You should of seen some of the things said but they now realize all they did was made a mistake as 18year old freshman and now are trying to overcome it.

I know I am not going to change your view on it nor do I expect it. I would of not disagreed if they were suspended for the Sugar Bowl. That was up to the NCAA to do and if they did I would of supported it. They didn't it. So its not fair to punish them for this bowl game when they're getting a huge punishment next year.

And I know you said Ohio State advantage cause we're Ohio State. I do disagree. Its not cause we're Ohio State its cause its a big bowl and the NCAA wants to make as much money as they can off these kids so they're not going to lost all the viewers they would of had for this game if they sat them. In 2004 Ohio State starting QB at the time Troy Smith accepted $500 from a booster and was suspended for Ohio State bowl game at that year. That year was not a BCS bowl game though it was only the Alamo bowl so there is the difference for you.
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I really don't expect you to agree with me anyway, your from there and its your team. So regardless you'd argue it.
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I really don't expect you to agree with me anyway, your from there and its your team. So regardless you'd argue it.
Check my post after that one. I don't disagree with you fully. I do disagree calling them cheaters. They didn't cheat.

I don't disagree that they should of been suspended by the NCAA. I agree. The NCAA should of suspended them for the game. But the NCAA knows the Sugar Bowl would of brought them a lot of viewers(probably right after the Championship game) so they were not going to take the best players out and make it a boring game and easy win for Arkansas. Cause all they care about is money.

But Ohio State should not punish them for the Bowl game when they're getting punish next year. That is not fair to the players to get punish twice.

Also like I said its not Ohio State. Troy Smith was suspended a bowl game like I said in my other post. It was just another bowl game though not a big time one. The only reason they were not suspended is cause the Sugar Bowl and NCAA wanted to make money off them and they did.
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Dez Bryant got suspended for half a season because he was in a house that Deion Sanders ans an agent were in it and he lied about it the first time they asked.
things just dont add up with the NCAA.
If they break an actual law, like stealing, assault,or something of that nature...then I can see suspensions (even extra cash from a uni)
but getting free stuff or selling your own goods and getting suspended dont make sense
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Check my post after that one. I don't disagree with you fully. I do disagree calling them cheaters. They didn't cheat.

I don't disagree that they should of been suspended by the NCAA. I agree. The NCAA should of suspended them for the game. But the NCAA knows the Sugar Bowl would of brought them a lot of viewers(probably right after the Championship game) so they were not going to take the best players out and make it a boring game and easy win for Arkansas. Cause all they care about is money.

But Ohio State should not punish them for the Bowl game when they're getting punish next year. That is not fair to the players to get punish twice.

Also like I said its not Ohio State. Troy Smith was suspended a bowl game like I said in my other post. It was just another bowl game though not a big time one. The only reason they were not suspended is cause the Sugar Bowl and NCAA wanted to make money off them and they did.
I'm not sayin ohio should of punished them, thats not their job, its the NCAAs but again, like it or not, the buckeyes get special treatment due to being a cashcow for the NCAA, just like every other sport, its corrupt in some way.
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Dez Bryant got suspended for half a season because he was in a house that Deion Sanders ans an agent were in it and he lied about it the first time they asked.
things just dont add up with the NCAA.
If they break an actual law, like stealing, assault,or something of that nature...then I can see suspensions (even extra cash from a uni)
but getting free stuff or selling your own goods and getting suspended dont make sense
The top tier players and ones that have a future in football shouldn't be doing shit like that, their on giant scholorships and make a fortune when its all over in college, what the fuck do they need to be doing shit like that for?
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I'm not sayin ohio should of punished them, thats not their job, its the NCAAs but again, like it or not, the buckeyes get special treatment due to being a cashcow for the NCAA, just like every other sport, its corrupt in some way.
Its not just Ohio State though. It could of been Boise State in that bowl game and if some of their players did the NCAA wouldn't of punish them.

The NCAA will do whatever it takes to make money off these guys. The reason they were not suspended is cause the Sugar Bowl called them and said plz don't suspend them for this game. Cause it would of cost the Sugar Bowl ppl a lot of money. And if they're not happy cause they're not making money then the NCAA is not happy. That is all it was. One phone call from the Sugar Bowl

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Buckeye Five can thank Sugar Bowl lobbying for suspension delays.

Speaking to Ken Gordon of the Columbus Dispatch, Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan showed no shame in stating that it was made perfectly clear to the powers that be that it was imperative the Ohio State-Arkansas game go off with both teams at full strength.

“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year’s game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan said. “That appeal did not fall on deaf ears, and I’m extremely excited about it, that the Buckeyes are coming in at full strength and with no dilution.”

Hoolahan also addressed those who felt the five should’ve started their suspensions immediately, and came out with the understatement of the year.

“I appreciate and fully understand the Midwestern values and ethics behind that. But I’m probably thinking of this from a selfish perspective.”

Like I said in 2004 something similar happen at Ohio State. Starting QB Troy Smith before the Alamo Bowl accepted $500 from a booster. The NCAA suspended him for the Bowl game. Why did he get suspended for the Bowl game and not these 5? Cause of $$$$. Its not special treatment for Ohio State. Its NCAA and Bowls making the most they can.
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Its not just Ohio State though. It could of been Boise State in that bowl game and if some of their players did the NCAA wouldn't of punish them.

The NCAA will do whatever it takes to make money off these guys. The reason they were not suspended is cause the Sugar Bowl called them and said plz don't suspend them for this game. Cause it would of cost the Sugar Bowl ppl a lot of money. And if they're not happy cause they're not making money then the NCAA is not happy. That is all it was. One phone call from the Sugar Bowl

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Like I said in 2004 something similar happen at Ohio State. Starting QB Troy Smith before the Alamo Bowl accepted $500 from a booster. The NCAA suspended him for the Bowl game. Why did he get suspended for the Bowl game and not these 5? Cause of $$$$. Its not special treatment for Ohio State. Its NCAA and Bowls making the most they can.
If it goes to the big bowl games I agree, but the lower bowl games, they could give a fuck less. Anything BCS related, its fucking pathetic.
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The top tier players and ones that have a future in football shouldn't be doing shit like that, their on giant scholorships and make a fortune when its all over in college, what the fuck do they need to be doing shit like that for?
Because its life and you want things. You only get a scholarship for school. There is stuff you like to do. You want to buy nice clothes, shoes, go to the movies, etc. These players don't have jobs cause they play football. So if you come from a poor background, how do you get money to do stuff? They just want to be like other 18-21 years old cause that is who they're. You need money to do stuff and for them a easy way to make money is by stuff like this. Maybe sign a autograph for a fan for some change, or sell your ring, or etc.

Players get suspended longer for making a couple thousand of $$ then players who get DUI! Someone who is driving drunk could kill someone. Yet making a little $$ you get worst.

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If it goes to the big bowl games I agree, but the lower bowl games, they could give a fuck less. Anything BCS related, its fucking pathetic.
That is what i am saying and agree. If Ohio State was playing in the Gator Bowl this year these players would of missed the bowl game. But since it was one of the BCS bowl games...the big bowl games they got a free pass cause of the money the Bowl/NCAA will make off them for it. NCAA wins. They always do.
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Rich Rodriguez finally fired at Michigan.
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Rich Rodriguez finally fired at Michigan.
I think the candidates are Chris Petersen (Boise), Kirby Smart (Bama), or Hoke (SD St.)

Les Miles, dont think so and Harbaugh is going to the NFL
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I think the candidates are Chris Petersen (Boise), Kirby Smart (Bama), or Hoke (SD St.)

Les Miles, dont think so and Harbaugh is going to the NFL
Yeah sounds like Brady Hoke will be the coach in the end. Not really a huge upgrade. Runs a different type of offense I believe so him coming to UM will not have much to work with. No defense and not players for his offense. UM is going the wrong way. Could be another long 3 years for them.

RR was a terrible hire at the start. I said it when they did it. His coaching doesn't work well in the B10. He needs to go back to the Big East and run that stuff.
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Yeah sounds like Brady Hoke will be the coach in the end. Not really a huge upgrade. Runs a different type of offense I believe so him coming to UM will not have much to work with. No defense and not players for his offense. UM is going the wrong way. Could be another long 3 years for them.

RR was a terrible hire at the start. I said it when they did it. His coaching doesn't work well in the B10. He needs to go back to the Big East and run that stuff.
they said the same about the Auburn coach who was hired from Iowa State (5-19) and look where they are 2 years later
there's an opening at Pitt

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they said the same about the Auburn coach who was hired from Iowa State (5-19) and look where they are 2 years later
there's an opening at Pitt
The difference was RR was bringing a whole new team to UM. UM lost Ryan Mallet(1st round draft pick this year for sure), Justin Boren(Started 2 years at UM and 2 years at UM), and a lot more cause of RR was hired. RR is not a bad coach. Its just that his team doesn't work in the Big 10.

He can be a great Big East coach like he did at WVU. There is nothing wrong with that either. He could of been a legend at WVU.

Auburn had talent. Just needed a coach. A lot of people didn't like the hire cause they didn't think he was a good coach. So a little different situation. When RR came to UM the whole talent left and he had nobody to play his offense and he can't coach defense. Just a terrible hire by UM and it has set them back a good 6-7 years most likely. Look what Ryan Mallet did at Arkansas. Michigan is a more traditional program then Arkansas and if UM got the right coach Mallet would of stayed and we might be talking about a different Michigan team right now.

I'm not mad though. Since RR went there Ohio State got Justin Boren from them. His younger brother Zach Boren now plays for Ohio State and is one of the best FB in CFB. They have a younger brother that has committed to Ohio State and will be here in 2012 who is a OL. So Ohio State benefited from it.

Now the same thing is happening at Michigan again. They're going to bring in a new coach who runs a whole different system and have to reload again just like RR. Michigan fans are already talking about where Denard Robinson is going to transfer at now. Who knows if he does or not.

Michigan should of hired a coach who ran a pro type offense like they always ran. If they did they could of build around Mallet and wouldn't be where they're now. They took a huge chance with RR and like I said has set them back big time. I don't even want to know what it feels like to be in their shoes right now. With RR there they set almost every bad record at Michigan. Embarrassing.
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