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Old 12-10-2009, 06:47 AM   #401 (permalink)
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"He's happy, but the reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal. I told people over the weekend that he'd sign within the next week. I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot. He was in this limbo forever, and he needed more motivation to make a decision. Do you think that there's any guy we can't get that I want? Other than Fedor [Emelianenko]? So far, he's been the one guy we can't get. But everyone else that we've wanted, we got. If I wanted Dan Henderson, I could've signed him. For the money he wanted, he's not worth it. He's not a big pay-per-view star, he's not a big attraction, and he's not going to sell out arenas. He wants way too much and he doesn't bring anything to the table. Here's the reality: If I wanted him, he'd be in the UFC. It's not like, 'F***, Strikeforce beat me out.' He's been a free agent for a long time. If I wanted him, I would have signed him by now."
WTF??

Hendo has had like ONE fight in the UFC! Of COURSE he's not going to sell out arenas! No one knows who the fuck he is (unless you watched Pride).

That's a shame. Hendo could have probably fought GSP as well if he dropped a bit of weight (or if GSP came up).
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:24 AM   #402 (permalink)
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dana is a dick... truly, he loves to disrespect guys and burn bridges, and one day that cocky attitude of his is going to cost him dearly.
Hendo is (was) one of the best fighters in his weightclass and was an up and comer in the UFC... after devastating bisping, he was on the verge of being one of those 'big attractions' dana was gushing about.
i guarentee dana will regret not signing him and talking smack about him in the future. i dont blame some of these guys for leaving the UFC becuase dana doesnt give his guys enough credit or respect... and he does this becuase he thinks he's owning a monopoly. what a dick.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:33 PM   #403 (permalink)
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Hendo is a legend. Real MMA fans know about his pride days, and Dana has to much fuckin pride or somethin. Dude knocks bisping the fuck out and he doesn't get a contract? Fuckin dumb
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:45 PM   #404 (permalink)
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UFC protects most of their TUF winners ... Bipsing a bit more than other cause he's their ticket to the UK. BUT ... the UFC has no control over judges decisions. This isnt boxing or the 80's. Quite a few "questionable" judges decisions have hurt the UFC more than helped them.

And not resigning Hendo has nothing to do with protecting Bisping. Protecting would have been never booking him into that matchup he had no chance of winning. His next fight is Wandy ... hopefully Wanderlei ruins him too, but he's not the same fighter he once was.
You answered your own question. Hedo was the best competition he ever faced and got so rocked. Hamil a fighter would would have been rocked by Bones Jones if he wasn't throwing illegal elbows took him easily and lost on decision.

You also contradicted yourself. UFC has no control over decisions but protects their TUF fighters. Oh please UFC has WWE written all over it. Shogun losing that title fight? How about the Griffin/Rampage fight? seemed pretty even fight to me. Both Pride fighters getting jobbed by the Refs. Add Hendo with that and look what do you have.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:52 PM   #405 (permalink)
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Nah I don't think the UFC has any control over the judges decisions. The judges just fucked up on giving Machida that win over Shogun. You can't intentionally rig a match that was so easy to see who won, the judges fucked up. Even Dana said Shogun won, hence the rematch.
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:02 PM   #406 (permalink)
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Nah I don't think the UFC has any control over the judges decisions. The judges just fucked up on giving Machida that win over Shogun. You can't intentionally rig a match that was so easy to see who won, the judges fucked up. Even Dana said Shogun won, hence the rematch.
I dunno I'm sure UFC riggs matches. IF they didn't they would have a more sophisticated way of scoring a match. Why have a boxing style system for MMA. Boxing rigged for years and MMA is way more technical. Hendo is a legit fighter and one of the best pound for pound of all time. UFC consistently gives a shorter look at former Pride guys. I'd bet if the Rampage / Evans fight happens and is close "sugar" (doesn't deserve that name) will win.

Its all cockyness and thinking they can make everything look better for UFC than any other fighter. While the likes of Hendo / Aoki / Fedor still travel outside the UFC.

The pendulum will shift if UFC still acts like communist bastards
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:09 PM   #407 (permalink)
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the ufc cant "rig" matches.... the judges are picked by the athletic commission...
sure the ufc can do subtle things to favor one fighter over the other, but most of the times its the judges just messing up themselves.
and re-watch the rua/machida fight... it was not a blowout by any means.... and was a lot closer than you think.
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:11 PM   #408 (permalink)
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I love it. The naivity of RF on UFC just bewilders me. If you just follow it and see how they do business you would have to be certain a few nudges and winks are flown by.

Its not something that could be proved but in do time new "wtf" moments will happen in the UFC and this will be talked about more and more

Oh and insider stop focussing on the UFC ring side girls maybe you will get what I'm saying
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Old 12-10-2009, 02:31 PM   #409 (permalink)
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When it can be proved let me know.
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You answered your own question. Hedo was the best competition he ever faced and got so rocked. Hamil a fighter would would have been rocked by Bones Jones if he wasn't throwing illegal elbows took him easily and lost on decision.

You also contradicted yourself. UFC has no control over decisions but protects their TUF fighters. Oh please UFC has WWE written all over it. Shogun losing that title fight? How about the Griffin/Rampage fight? seemed pretty even fight to me. Both Pride fighters getting jobbed by the Refs. Add Hendo with that and look what do you have.
Are u slow?

They protect their fighters by booking them into favourable matchups that they "should" win. Not by telling the judges who should win. Recent examples ... Kimbo fighting Houston, a purely standup fighter. OR Amir Sodallah getting a scrub (who actually TKOd him) followed by a very washed up one dimensional Baroni.

If they controlled the judges ... BELIEVE ME Forrest would have got the W vs Tito in that first very questionable fight.

Pride fighters have nothing to do with it. Henderson got a very close razor thin decision over Franklin. And Franklin got one over Wanderlei.

Anyway ... thats my last response to u. I refuse to argue this shit with people who keep saying that WWE or boxing shit.

PS. You should look into the Hendo situation a bit more to realize why he wasnt resigned. If hendo just KOed the UFC golden boy wouldnt it be the perfect time to capitalize on the situation and use him and promote him? Business decision man ... u cant let every fighter dictate the negotiations and set precedents for other fighters to follow. You overpay Hendo ... u end up overpaying every fighter after him. Look at Afflictions business model. Why do u think they failed? They payed guys like Tim Silvia $800,000 per fight. Tim hasnt been marketable since his first fight with Arlovski.
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Old 12-10-2009, 03:59 PM   #411 (permalink)
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Hendo is a legend. Real MMA fans know about his pride days, and Dana has to much fuckin pride or somethin. Dude knocks bisping the fuck out and he doesn't get a contract? Fuckin dumb
One of my favourite fighters ...and im pissed that he isnt resigning ...but he got a pretty huge offer.

When they asked Coker whether they offered as much as the UFC ... he could only say that its not all about the amount of money, but other intagibles and shit like that.

Dana is stubborn, everyone knows that ...but so was Dan Henderson. He was pissed about his title shot ... thats what im guessing.
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Old 12-10-2009, 07:59 PM   #412 (permalink)
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Are u slow?

They protect their fighters by booking them into favourable matchups that they "should" win. Not by telling the judges who should win. Recent examples ... Kimbo fighting Houston, a purely standup fighter. OR Amir Sodallah getting a scrub (who actually TKOd him) followed by a very washed up one dimensional Baroni.

If they controlled the judges ... BELIEVE ME Forrest would have got the W vs Tito in that first very questionable fight.

Pride fighters have nothing to do with it. Henderson got a very close razor thin decision over Franklin. And Franklin got one over Wanderlei.

Anyway ... thats my last response to u. I refuse to argue this shit with people who keep saying that WWE or boxing shit.

PS. You should look into the Hendo situation a bit more to realize why he wasnt resigned. If hendo just KOed the UFC golden boy wouldnt it be the perfect time to capitalize on the situation and use him and promote him? Business decision man ... u cant let every fighter dictate the negotiations and set precedents for other fighters to follow. You overpay Hendo ... u end up overpaying every fighter after him. Look at Afflictions business model. Why do u think they failed? They payed guys like Tim Silvia $800,000 per fight. Tim hasnt been marketable since his first fight with Arlovski.

First off personal attacks to support your argument aren't really needed. If you want to support your argument opinion and fact of the topic is good enough.

Secondly, I do think something stinks in Zuffa's war room. Things happen time and time again that really don't jive. Randy being my all time favourite fighter shouldn't have even come close to beating Vera but they would never leave a legend high and dry.

Also, look at the Sanchez Diaz fight and you could smell a smatter of dead fish in the octadon that day.


In Pride I know it was an organization run by organized crime but its proof MMA has been fixed. Not my opinion but proof. Zuffa have left out some of their fights in their DVD complilation because the blantant look of a fix lies in the fight itself.

Quote from Rampage

"I'm never the type of fighter that would lose for money," Jackson said. "I don't do that. But they told me, 'If you win this fight, you get $10,000.' But they told meóthese are like the two people from PRIDE who got fired recently, I don't know if the president of PRIDE knew about itóbut they told me themselves: 'If you lose by knockout or submission and you don't tap, you get $12,000.'

"I said, 'But what if I knock him out?' and they said 'You get $10,000.' Then I understood what was going on. This was my first time fighting in the big show in Japan and I learned sometimes they wanted the other guy to win."

As for the closest proof you can get that a UFC fight was fixed. Yes it was the early days but Oleg Taktarov vs Anthony Macias in UFC 6 the job was done.



Fixed fights are thing of prize fighting. You hope the big ones aren't but some just have to be. Too much money on the line not to be so. That statement could be looked as oopinion but I call a spade a spade there
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:39 PM   #413 (permalink)
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.: Fightmetric.com :: Every Bit of Every Bout :.

Ur welcome to look for the statistical breakdown of the Couture Vera fight there too.

Examples of Pride and UFC6 have nothing to do with modern day UFC. Shit that still happens in Japan to this day (like fighters juicing, or guys fighting people 3 times their size) is not an indication of the way things run here.

U may say im gullible..but this is why they try so hard to get the sport sanctioned with each states athletic commission.

Anyway ... i think ur on the verge of paranoia with this stuff.

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Just could be me and my paranoid state. I don't have any proof and maybe something I shouldn't have brought up cause of it.

However; I do see some wierd things go about and its just not me in that debate
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Old 12-11-2009, 01:14 AM   #415 (permalink)
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Umm ... I didnt expect that response and now I almost feel bad for being a jerk lol
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:55 AM   #416 (permalink)
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Its the personal assaults never a good way to start a debate. I started them I'll take blame for it. I personally don't mind them but calling me "slow" is one that just hits a hot button is all.

Its a losing argument for me but its one I also try to look out for. Sports integrity sadly is something we are losing as a whole and we shouldn't take that lightly. It after all its the only thing that some of us cling to in being a sports fan.
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I saw this with the upmost respect

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Hendo is a douche.

That is all.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:27 PM   #420 (permalink)
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^Never. He's a classy dude, praised Dana after Dana talked shit about him.
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