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Old 10-20-2009, 12:34 PM   #261 (permalink)
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Light Heavyweight Championship bout
Lyoto Machida (C) vs Mauricio Rua

Heayweight bout
Cain Velasquez vs Ben Rothwell

Lightweight bout
Gleison Tibau vs Josh Neer

Lightweight bout
Joe Steveson vs Spencer Fisher

Welterweight bout
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:21 PM   #262 (permalink)
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Rumble Johnson baby!
Machida is going to flatten Rua.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:17 PM   #263 (permalink)
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Rumble Johnson baby!
Machida is going to flatten Rua.
Most likely. Rua is too slow and won't be able to stand with Machida.
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:07 PM   #264 (permalink)
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Rua aint shit to Machida. I hope Spence Fisher knocks out Joe Daddy, and it's always nice to see RUMBLE JOHNSON
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:54 PM   #265 (permalink)
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Anyone watching TUF tonight?
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:36 PM   #266 (permalink)
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TUF show 6
It took 6 shows to final get a exciting fight between the 2 most under estimated heavyweight fighters, Tittie and Jenson. ” Guy got Titties” was doing great on his standup fight and than was taken down where I thought he would get into trouble. Jenson inexperience on the his ground game ended up in a triangle choke and put him to sleep. This is the first show where I was voting for both fighters to win. I still don’t believe they will ever manage in the UFC heavyweight division.I believe Jones will fight next week and thats Rampage only hope for a single win, but mma fighting you never now who will win thats why it is a exciting sport!
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:05 AM   #267 (permalink)
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TUF show 6
It took 6 shows to final get a exciting fight between the 2 most under estimated heavyweight fighters, Tittie and Jenson. ” Guy got Titties” was doing great on his standup fight and than was taken down where I thought he would get into trouble. Jenson inexperience on the his ground game ended up in a triangle choke and put him to sleep. This is the first show where I was voting for both fighters to win. I still don’t believe they will ever manage in the UFC heavyweight division.I believe Jones will fight next week and thats Rampage only hope for a single win, but mma fighting you never now who will win thats why it is a exciting sport!
I have a feeling that Marcus Jones loses. Hence Rampage ripping the door down in the preview....
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:14 AM   #268 (permalink)
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2 surprises I could see is
Rua over Machida, even though I like Machida,
would be a big shock that would shake things up a bit, something UFC could use
Penn, St. Pierre, Silva, Machida and Lesnar look too dominant
and Yoshida over Johnson

but all the bolded favorites should win
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:48 AM   #269 (permalink)
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Johnson didn't even make weight but the fight is still goin on
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Old 10-24-2009, 01:43 PM   #270 (permalink)
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i've read alot about how johnson walks around pretty heavy between fights and does real big weight cuts to make 170. he weighed in at 176 yesterday, so i wonder what he'll look like tonight.

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Old 10-24-2009, 02:10 PM   #271 (permalink)
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Johnson lost 50 lbs, didn't he?
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:15 PM   #272 (permalink)
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he cuts from about 205. He got down to 176. Dude should be fighting at middle weight ... he's huge. He'd even be a big middle weight. Rich Franklin/Anderson Silva size on the guy. Tall too with a big frame.

This will be his last fight at welterweight. Book that. I heard he had a horrible cut, so i doubt he'll be doing that anymore.
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:24 PM   #273 (permalink)
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He may be overrated but that doesn't disregard the fact he almost locked up Machida. I agree Mir would be owned by Big Nog. cause Nog was recovering from a staph infection when he faced Mir.
Not to be mean but he didnt lock up shit. Tito is a subpar submissions fighter and Machida escaped that easily with a textbook escape. If it wasnt that escape he could have just stacked him and wouldnt have even felt the choke in the slightest. A good submissions fighter would have known how to prevent such an easy escape but he barely had it locked in, and he didnt have control of his lower body even one bit.

Technically he had it "locked in" ... but Machida was never in a danger of being finished.

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Machida would win in decision.

I dont think anyone can knock out brock, but there is no way Brock could prevent Machida from picking his shots and getting out. repetedly
There are plenty of people who could. CArwin would be the first that comes to mind. Nobody knows how good of a chin this guy has. We've seen monstrous size guys go down from clean shots. Gonzaga literally got one jab and was KOed by Shane Carwin after rocking Carwin hard with a single punch of his own. I think Brock admitted that Mir had him slightly rocked with a knee last fight as he took him down.

Tiny gloves ...anyone can knock anyone out.

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He could choke him our... or even win by strikes. The shots that hit rashad didn't look that huge either... but he got knocked out cold.

Or even the shot that silva knocked out forrest with, when you get hit in the face repeatedly... sometimes embarassment just knocks you down.

A choke would be the last thing Brock would be submitted by. Chockes and upper body submissions in general would probably be impsobbile on a guy like Brock. Too much upper-body strength, he's power his way out of it (ex. Rampage Jackson) Leg locks are the way to go with guys like that.
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I think that if anyone's going to submit Brock it's going to be in the later rounds. I DO think that he could be choked out... or armbarred (ala Bob Sapp) but you have to wear him out a bit so that his big muscles work against him and he fatigues (again... ala Bob Sapp).

As for knocking him out, I agree with Saucer 100%. When you're talking about heavyweights ANYONE can knock out anyone else. Just have to get a good clean shot in.

Probably the best chin I've seen right now is Cain's... he took some FULL-ON shots from Kongo that probably would have KO'd most fighters and kept going. Him vs. Rothwell should be a good match. And the winner of that one should be a good test for Brock.
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Old 10-24-2009, 05:24 PM   #275 (permalink)
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I cant see Brock getting submitted again either.

I cant see him getting knocked out.

He is in absolutly ridiculous shape. Cardio is through the roof. He has a level of cardio similar to GSP. and he is the type of guy to only make a mistake once. He wont ever let anyone get him in an ankle lock again because that would be seen as a weakness.

I can only see him being beaten again by decision. by a fighter smart enoough to know that sticking and moving and scoring points is the only way to beat him. Machida can do that. Anderson Silva can do that. I though Couture could do that, and Coouture got destroyed.

Brock is the real deal just like Silva and GSP are the real deal.
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I cant see Brock getting submitted again either.

I cant see him getting knocked out.

He is in absolutly ridiculous shape. Cardio is through the roof. He has a level of cardio similar to GSP. and he is the type of guy to only make a mistake once. He wont ever let anyone get him in an ankle lock again because that would be seen as a weakness.

I can only see him being beaten again by decision. by a fighter smart enoough to know that sticking and moving and scoring points is the only way to beat him. Machida can do that. Anderson Silva can do that. I though Couture could do that, and Coouture got destroyed.

Brock is the real deal just like Silva and GSP are the real deal.
How would you know how good his cardio is when he's almost never been out of the 1st round? He's in great shape, yes... but he's still about 275lbs. and lugging that around the cage is going to wear you out. Randy caught him with a couple of good punches and he was giving up about 50 lbs to Brock.

If a guy like Rothwell hits him clean it's lights out for him. Guaran-damn-teed.

Brock still has to beat a few more legit fighters before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as a Silva or GSP. Those guys have PROVED that they can beat the best.
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How would you know how good his cardio is when he's almost never been out of the 1st round? He's in great shape, yes... but he's still about 275lbs. and lugging that around the cage is going to wear you out. Randy caught him with a couple of good punches and he was giving up about 50 lbs to Brock.

If a guy like Rothwell hits him clean it's lights out for him. Guaran-damn-teed.

Brock still has to beat a few more legit fighters before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as a Silva or GSP. Those guys have PROVED that they can beat the best.
Proving will come.

And any training I have ever seen of Brock(and you can find alot of samples easily) the things he does is pretty specically trained. He runs and bikes like a madman and his matt training is pretty wild.

Compare his to other fighters training footage and Brocks is as intense as it gets.

And of course Randy hit him, its Randy Couture-the most important man to the UFC(yup more than even Gracie himself) in regards to the fighters-I expected nothing short of that.
But I really cant see any of these others guys as smart as Couture is, and finding a way to hit Brock.
Mir is the most skilled HW there is and he could stop Brock, got him the once and he wont get a chance like that again with Brock.
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Proving will come.

And any training I have ever seen of Brock(and you can find alot of samples easily) the things he does is pretty specically trained. He runs and bikes like a madman and his matt training is pretty wild.

Compare his to other fighters training footage and Brocks is as intense as it gets.

And of course Randy hit him, its Randy Couture-the most important man to the UFC(yup more than even Gracie himself) in regards to the fighters-I expected nothing short of that.
But I really cant see any of these others guys as smart as Couture is, and finding a way to hit Brock.
Mir is the most skilled HW there is and he could stop Brock, got him the once and he wont get a chance like that again with Brock.
Ummmm... no.

Nog >>>>>> Mir. Pay no attention that sham of a fight when Nog was recovering from injury.

Mir has a nice ground game but his stand-up is lacking. I would give Cain or Rothwell a far better chance at beating Brock now than Mir would ever have.
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Proving will come.

And any training I have ever seen of Brock(and you can find alot of samples easily) the things he does is pretty specically trained. He runs and bikes like a madman and his matt training is pretty wild.

Compare his to other fighters training footage and Brocks is as intense as it gets.

And of course Randy hit him, its Randy Couture-the most important man to the UFC(yup more than even Gracie himself) in regards to the fighters-I expected nothing short of that.
But I really cant see any of these others guys as smart as Couture is, and finding a way to hit Brock.
Mir is the most skilled HW there is and he could stop Brock, got him the once and he wont get a chance like that again with Brock.
Well you seem to be a Randy fan and as a Randy fan you should know that he's never had any kind of knock out power in his hands. Especially for the heavyweight division. His way of winning is wearing guys down with many many punches.

Noguiera went toe to toe with Randy, with NO head movement, took every shot and wasnt rocked. Brocked seemed more affected by fewer punches from Randy than Nog was. That is a good chin.

And yes Brock is a physical specimen and you may be right. I actually usually tell people the same thing ...I have a feeling Brock will be undefeated for a long time. But if he does decide to stand trade punches with some of the guys in the HW division, it could be light out verrrrrry quickly for him. He can have the greatest cardi, the biggest skull on the planet ...and one straight punch to the right spot from Shane Carwin will still put him to sleep.
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Oh and PS. Agreed with TO .... Mir is damn good but Nog would whipe the floor with him 9 out of 10 times if they fought again. I really dont care much for their first fight ... too me that didnt prove much outside of Mir beating the shit out of a sick injured man who was too proud to call off the fight .
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