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Old 11-29-2014, 08:56 AM   #13221 (permalink)
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Real grass.
2018 ?
listened to a conversation on TSN radio (yesterday ?) about moving that schedule up
they were discussing the fact that the cost of putting the grass in now would/could be covered by the fact that they wouldn't have to overpay free agents to play here

made sense to me...don't understand why they don't do it now...it's not as if Rogers doesn't have any petty cash laying around

edit...did a little reading and it seems it's not quite as simple as i thought it would be...here's part of an article written in the Toronto Star...

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If only it were as simple as heading to Home Depot and picking up 143,000 square feet of sod. The four-year timeline before grass can be installed inside the Rogers Centre is based on a year of research and testing, followed by three years to produce the sod and grow the grass.

“For grass in the spring of 2018, you’ve got to sow the seed in 2015,” said Eric Lyons, an associate professor of turfgrass sciences and physiology at the University of Guelph.

Lyons said the sod requires at least 12 growing months, which, given the Canadian winter, means a minimum of a year and a half. Plus, if you want the grass installed at the beginning of spring, you need to harvest it the previous fall, he said. Commercial sod farmers also like to guard against the possibility of drought or disease. “They could produce it in two years, but they wouldn’t be able to guarantee it.”

Before the Jays even reach that point, they first have to find the right species of grass or blend of grasses, as well as the right soil mixture, artificial lighting system, irrigation system and whether or not any engineering changes have to be made to the stadium to manipulate air flow and humidity.

The Rogers Centre previously installed grass for a one-off soccer game without all this research and testing. But planting a baseball field for a full season is different from a brief exhibition. “We can get grass in here,” Farrell said. “It could last a homestand and all be dead.”

Milwaukee, Houston and Miami all have retractable-dome ballparks with natural grass, but the biggest differences between those stadiums and the Rogers Centre, Lyons said, is that their default configuration is open, while the Rogers Centre’s is closed.

“That creates a huge issue,” he said, pointing out that the grass will have to grow under artificial light for at least 60 to 90 days in the spring, and again in the fall. “Once you start growing plants indoors you have issues of humidity and low light and lack of air movement.”

That could make the grass susceptible to certain types of diseases, and that’s why the testing will take up to a year, Lyons said, as various grass cultivars are screened under the Rogers Centre’s specific conditions to judge their disease resistance and fortitude over an extended period.

Lyons also said that unlike soccer and football, you can’t be resodding a baseball field several times in a season.

“Soccer has a fairly large ball; if you lay two pieces of sod side by side and they’re off by half a centimetre, that’s not really going to affect the ball roll very much. In baseball, the ball is fairly small, so when it hits something like that it skips funny.”

Then, after all the different testing, it also has to look right.

“In the major leagues, looks matter,” Lyons said. “If we put a grass down there that grows fairly well under low light and is fairly wear tolerant and is resistant to some of these diseases, but it’s almost got a yellowish-green colour, would that fly?”

The Jays hope to have the species of grass selected and the bulk of the research done within the next year, so sod production can begin in 2015. Any stadium alterations can be carried out in the intervening years, so that after the 2017 baseball season, the first jackhammer can bust through the concrete floor with everyone confident the right grass is going in.

So while 2018 may seem a long way away, much has to happen between now and then. “You back up from there and you realize we need this time,” Brooks said. “And you got to be right or else there’s going to be huge issues.”

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Old 11-29-2014, 08:16 PM   #13222 (permalink)
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Good power though, both are great defenders so that's a wash. Sucks that we give up Nolin imo
Josh Donaldson did that playing half the games at a pitcher friendly park with the A's, they're projecting his numbers to increase 10-20% at the rogers centre.

I saw somewhere that said this trade, in nba terms, is like trading ross, bruno, deandre daniels and stiemsma for James Harden.
Its kinda like that..
But I would say its closer to trading Jonas, Bruno, Daniels, BeBe, NY's first rounder for Anthony Davis.

On paper it looks like you're trading a core piece, one of your better prospects, throw in some youngsters and a bit of your future, for one of the best two way players at their position in the league.

According to what i read he finished 4th in MVP votings in 2013, had jose bautisa type numbers playing in a pitcher's park, plays amazing in field defense and still on a bargain contract. Entering his prime (bit of a late bloomer), and jays will still have control over 4 years.
He also had one of the highest WAR, which is like PER/VORP in all of baseball over the last two/three years

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He did that playing half the games at a pitcher friendly park with the A's, they're projecting his numbers to increase 10-20% at the rogers center
Who is they? Let's just see what happens, hope you're right.
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:35 PM   #13224 (permalink)
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Holy all the warning track hits would be homers too, ball dies in the air during the summer nights in Oakland
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ball doesn't carry as well at Colosseum, especially at night and you dont get many balls fouled out of play. Donaldson is a 345 OBP guy....

Ball flies at the RC, especially in the summer, but never has "bad" carry and you can get 10 pitch ABs because the seats are so close.
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It isn't just about the actual distance of the walls, but the total hitting environment. Things like elevation and the fact that the ball carries in the RC are the main factors.
If we want to look at it solely by numbers:

Overall PF of Rogers Centre is 103 (2014)
Homerun PF of Rogers Centre is 109 (2014)

Overall PF of Coliseum is 97 (2014) - 6% increase at RC
Homerun PF of Coliseum is 92 (2014) - 17% increase at RC

We're looking at a major increase in HR and signifcant increase in overall batting performance for Donaldson.
They had maps of the field comparing both fields and was speculating how all the deep hits that donaldson had with the A's would be homers in the rogers centre.

Also the coliseum is notorious for the amount of space in foul territory, which can prematurely end a batter's plate appearance.
Also, rogers centre's artificial turf makes it harder to field for teams not use to it, which often results in more hits. Its a really hitter friendly park.

Im no expert, just based on what i read and following the jays for two seasons

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Hahh, where is that from?
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Old 12-01-2014, 10:34 PM   #13227 (permalink)
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Seattle stepped up and hired a slugger today

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Old 12-03-2014, 06:13 PM   #13228 (permalink)
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Another fair sized move.

JA Happ traded to Seattle for OF Michael Saunders.

Not sure about Saunders. Anything from our Seattle correspondent Toby?
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Old 12-03-2014, 06:19 PM   #13229 (permalink)
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Another fair sized move.

JA Happ traded to Seattle for OF Michael Saunders.

Not sure about Saunders. Anything from our Seattle correspondent Toby?
Also re-signed Justin Smoak

Saunders is Canadian, guesses have a quota. Lol

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Not sure about Saunders. Anything from our Seattle correspondent Toby?
Ya'll just traded for the worst Mariner.

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Happ should be happy in Seattle, spacious park and he's a flyball pitcher
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Old 12-03-2014, 07:28 PM   #13232 (permalink)
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Old 12-03-2014, 07:43 PM   #13233 (permalink)
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LF and 1B look mad weak.

Saunders and Smoak have power but you have to be able to hit the ball in the first place.
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LF and 1B look mad weak.

Saunders and Smoak have power but you have to be able to hit the ball in the first place.
Saunders hit .273 last season
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in 78 games

look at his averages before that

no doubt he has pop, i hope he does well
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Saunders seemed pretty good in wbc, I don't understand all the hate but AA saying saunders will be the everyday LF (Bye bye melky) pisses me off
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I don't want jays to face melky every other day...cepodez leaving beantown makes that a possibility?

*kinda yay CHI....only a couple jays series against melk is a nice runner up

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Melky signing with the White Sox for 3yrs/43.5Mil


Umm, isn't that what we were offering him?
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Melky signing with the White Sox for 3yrs/43.5Mil


Umm, isn't that what we were offering him?
pretty sure it was
guess he just wanted out of TO
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