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Old 07-29-2009, 09:10 AM   #41 (permalink)
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im just being devil's advocate here, but i guess half of the world is sadistic then.
all the people who participated and watched the dog fights, people who run cock fights, pretty much everyone in spain since they participate in 'bull fights', etc...
they are all sadistic and dont deserve second chances.

this is all about a bored stupid idiot with too much money in the bank and nothing do with his time.
when we were kids, im betting we all captured insects and killed them or tried to get them in a jar and fight (i know i did), does that make me or any other kid who does that to these 'helpless animals' a sadistic freak? in this case, and on a much bigger scale, vick (who probably has the education of a 6th grader with money) pretty much has no clue about reality and life in general.

no one here knows if he feels any remorse, but we definitely cant say he hasnt changed or is possibly a more mature human being who has learned from this experience.
there's a huge difference between capturing a couple of bugs while you are a child and organizing a dog fighting racket as an adult. this goes for both age and for scope.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:45 PM   #42 (permalink)
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i value your opinion, but seriously, you really are a big 37 year old cry baby... thats about all i got from that rant of yours.
if you can show me anywhere in my post where i insulted you, i would love to see it.


is that insulting?
if so, you are the one that needs to grow up and interpret what is an insult and what isnt.
read your post my friend, now that is a post filled with so much bullshit and insulting remarks. you write things so condescendingly and act as if we should cower at the mere presence of you, when in reality you must be the most insecure 37 year old man on the planet.
keep up the good work... keep mentioning things about yourself, keep dropping little comments to make yourself sound fabulous, and keep insulting those who have a difference of opinion than you. doing so only proves my point; you edit cant take criticism, yet can dish it out like a master.


i'll be waiting for your curse filled response telling me how stupid i am and that you are so awesome.
please dont disappoint.

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Old 07-29-2009, 12:59 PM   #43 (permalink)
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you did not disappoint.


PS. i still hate you.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:18 PM   #44 (permalink)
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not my fault you're an idiot.

You're still A bottom, I love you too.

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Old 07-29-2009, 02:55 PM   #45 (permalink)
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i think a distinction needs to be made here.

as trane said, there's one "legitimate" slaughter, and an illegitimate one that goes on. sure there are contradictions, but we're talking about sophisticated machinery that probably has a lot of what is wrong with Vick at the root of it. killing cows and pigs and seals systematically is quite monstrous and problematic, but i'll be the first to admit that the further away i am from the murder on my plate the easier it is to swallow, figuratively and actually. that's my problem and I'm trying to deal with it.

the problem with Vick is that it's a type of violence that is psychologically framed as being outside of the system. it's an aberration. and so, it's easier to emotionally feel for the idea of an animal that's framed as "friend" or "companion". like that guy systematically killing dogs in High Park by poisoning loaves of bread with antifreeze, if i ever met this person i would seek to hurt them at the level they've hurt those they've killed (it's a slow and painful death) and those that love those that were killed.

maybe it's wrong to wish pain on other people. maybe it's wrong that i want vick to suffer for ripping the teeth out of female pitbulls so they can't defend themselves while he forces male pitbulls to rape them over and over again, but it's also wrong that i need to be as far away from the blood bath as possible in order to eat another animal. the real pain for me is having to live within such a contradictory system. that's where all the intellectual/political/spritiual/ethical work should be directed.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:16 PM   #46 (permalink)
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maybe it's wrong that i want vick to suffer for ripping the teeth out of female pitbulls so they can't defend themselves while he forces male pitbulls to rape them over and over again

stupid question here....
but can animals rape one another?
i always thought animals mated for procreation, not for enjoyment... like it was something in their genes that made them mate with one another; to procreate.
how can a person force a dog to rape another dog over and over? is that even possible?
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consent is consent. i've seen male dogs try to mount my female dog, and while this is done for several reasons we can't even begin to understand on account we're not dogs, my female will quite usually assert herself by biting back and growling that she doesn't like this behaviour and would like it to stop.
I've read and researched quite a bit about the history of dog fighting, and removing a female's teeth prevents her from protecting herself from an already psychologically abused and tortured male who's life from birth is usually abandonment, abuse, and pain. but not being able to consent to potential mates, and being unable to defend herself in general through this kind of violence to me, is rape.
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I can terll you this much, my dog is in heat, my other dog, has been neutered, and still tries to mount her. Now were good at keeping them apart, but one time he got in there. leterally, and guess what, he had a smile from ear to ear..... he was loving it.

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i never realized neutered dogs still got horny...

my dog isnt neutered and he goes on epic humping sessions every few months.
he's so tiny so its funny to see. i let him hump things, but my GF thinks its gross and makes him stop. its a guy thing i guess.
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stupid question here....
but can animals rape one another?
i always thought animals mated for procreation, not for enjoyment... like it was something in their genes that made them mate with one another; to procreate.
how can a person force a dog to rape another dog over and over? is that even possible?
Dolphins are the only other mammals that mate for pleasure ( other the humans)
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I can terll you this much, my dog is in heat, my other dog, has been neutered, and still tries to mount her. Now were good at keeping them apart, but one time he got in there. leterally, and guess what, he had a smile from ear to ear..... he was loving it.

It was horrible.

I was traumatized. Yuuuck.
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Old 07-29-2009, 04:32 PM   #52 (permalink)
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my dog isnt neutered and he goes on epic humping sessions every few months.
he's so tiny so its funny to see. i let him hump things, but my GF thinks its gross and makes him stop. its a guy thing i guess.
i know i'll surely get bashed for this, but here's my view - i think it's actually cruel not to neuter your dog, unless you are going to let him (possibly her, but definitley him) mate regularly or unless you plan to breed him. by leaving him intact you are still allowing the full force of his biological imperative to compel him to mate, but you aren't allowing him to fulfill that. this typically creates intense frustration and has been demonstrated as a leading cause of aggression in intact male dogs. by neutering them you take away most of that biological imperative and make them more conditioned for the life you expect them to lead.

if you are giving them the opportunity to mate, then not neutering is, of course, just fine. but if you leave that biological impulse intact, and we all know how strong that can be, but you deny them the opportunity to fulfill the need, that's just cruel, imo. and in a larger dog it can create significant instability and be dangerous.
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Dolphins are the only other mammals that mate for pleasure ( other the humans)
this is an assumption at best. how do you prove this? and while we're at it, i thought mating and pleasure were counter-intuitive in this fuck 'em and chuck 'em culture?

at any rate, dozens of scientists have "observed" other species using sex not only for pleasure, but also conflict resolution, clan expansion, social inclusion, and random fun. the most common example would be bonobos.
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i know i'll surely get bashed for this, but here's my view - i think it's actually cruel not to neuter your dog, unless you are going to let him (possibly her, but definitley him) mate regularly or unless you plan to breed him. by leaving him intact you are still allowing the full force of his biological imperative to compel him to mate, but you aren't allowing him to fulfill that. this typically creates intense frustration and has been demonstrated as a leading cause of aggression in intact male dogs. by neutering them you take away most of that biological imperative and make them more conditioned for the life you expect them to lead.

if you are giving them the opportunity to mate, then not neutering is, of course, just fine. but if you leave that biological impulse intact, and we all know how strong that can be, but you deny them the opportunity to fulfill the need, that's just cruel, imo. and in a larger dog it can create significant instability and be dangerous.
dogs are by and large living under human conditions. my wife and haven't spade our lab mix because we intend for her to have a litter in the next couple of years.

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i know i'll surely get bashed for this, but here's my view - i think it's actually cruel not to neuter your dog, unless you are going to let him (possibly her, but definitley him) mate regularly or unless you plan to breed him. by leaving him intact you are still allowing the full force of his biological imperative to compel him to mate, but you aren't allowing him to fulfill that. this typically creates intense frustration and has been demonstrated as a leading cause of aggression in intact male dogs. by neutering them you take away most of that biological imperative and make them more conditioned for the life you expect them to lead.

if you are giving them the opportunity to mate, then not neutering is, of course, just fine. but if you leave that biological impulse intact, and we all know how strong that can be, but you deny them the opportunity to fulfill the need, that's just cruel, imo. and in a larger dog it can create significant instability and be dangerous.
We can't.
We took him to the vet to get Neutered, but when the blood work came back (from the pre-op tests) the Vet told us his kidney's are smaller than average and that his blood work doesnt look right. moreover, he doesnt recommend doing the procedure because there is a risk that he wont wake up when the operation is finished.
i pretty much said thank you, and grabbed my dog and got the hell outta there... i wasnt going to take theat chance.

i totally agree with you trane... but in my dog's case, it was out of the question.
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good choice insider. medical necessity trumps all. i didn't mean to single you out there, just making a point. apologies if it seemed that way.

and you should suggest to your gf that making him stop the epic humping sessions is, in fact, cruel. that would be a hilarious discussion.
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good choice insider. medical necessity trumps all. i didn't mean to single you out there, just making a point. apologies if it seemed that way.

and you should suggest to your gf that making him stop the epic humping sessions is, in fact, cruel. that would be a hilarious discussion.
hahahah no prob trane...
truth is, we've had that conversation many times... i told her; "he's a man!!! he needs to jerk off. let him jerk off dammit". she just rolled her eyes.
then i went back to my PC to watch porn.... oops.. i mean my dog went back to humping the couch.
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dog's also mount to show dominance over another, whether it's male or female. i had two female dogs when i was younger and one would always mount the other. i thought she was either a lesbo or just really confused dog....now we all know she was just badass!!
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true that Jackson, you should see Daisey hump Jacks face.

BADASS

Anyhow, dogs like sex, I have seen it, and they looked just like they do when I feed um bacon.
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true that Jackson, you should see Daisey hump Jacks face.

BADASS

Anyhow, dogs like sex, I have seen it, and they looked just like they do when I feed um bacon.
Well, you didn't see them this morning. Daisy (who is currently in heat) was tryin' to get hers, and Jack didn't wanna. He kept tryin' to bite her when she'd stick his ass in his face.

However, later he was licking her in places I don't talk about. Scuse me while I go throw up.
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