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he slaughters them for money.... i'm sure he gets entertainment from that, whats the difference?
100 dogs... a few thousand Cows.

its a north american thing.
if brett favre is in india he's probably executed. if Vick is in China, he opens up a food store.
everyone paints him as the bad guy, but who's really bad?
well, let's see now, one is a criminal act, and the other is a legitimate licensed business... that's one significant difference.
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of course.
who the hell cares about poor cows? they were put on this earth for one thing: food.
dogs on the other hand were put here for one thing: love.
makes sense.
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you know what, fuck Michael Vick.

due process, served his time, so fucking what???

As if he's a victim.

He made his bed, and he can sleep in it. I hope he gets snubbed by every team in the NBA. Should he have to go play someplace else on the planet where maybe Killing and torturing animals is ok, then fine, I'm sure there's a barbaric society somewhere.

We live in a bad world in many ways. Trust, Vick ain't coming outta prison a changed man, if anything he's got a few tattoo's he can use to show his "cred". Dude embraced and lived in his world, it is who he was and is.

This Political BS blanket people suckle on makes me wanna puke.... "oooh he paid his debts" so what. And guess what, we let his ass out of jail, EARLY. He did his political time, his moral time is not something you can measure, and I am far from alone on this one.

I don't wish ill on Vick, but he sure as fuck is not getting any sympathy on this.
Wow. Not a fan of second chances hey? I think it's crazy for you to think that this whole ordeal wouldn't have changed him as a person. The guy went from being a millionaire, NFL football star who could do pretty much whatever he wanted to being confined to a federal prison for two years. He lost his money, had to declare bankruptcy and was globally shamed. I'm not suggesting sympathy because as you said "he made his bed...he can lie in it". The point is though...he made his bed and he did lie in it.

I think the NFL's additional sentence is foolish. His reinstatement should in deed be conditional and he should have a long probationary period where if he screws up in the least he's done...no third chance...finished. That said, there is no need of an additional 5 game suspension.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:56 AM   #24 (permalink)
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of course.
who the hell cares about poor cows? they were put on this earth for one thing: food.
dogs on the other hand were put here for one thing: love.
makes sense.

i only brought this up in reference to race because zachus mentioned brady and favre as white quarterbacks in regards to media attention. but if you want to keep dragging this out we can.

a player that farms cattle in a ranch is obeying the law and engaging in a legitimate business. vick was knowingly breaking the law and engaging in a criminal act. it's not about cows vs dogs, food vs love, it's about criminality and our judicial system. whine all you want that cows are a food animal and we love our purty cute snuggly canines. that's not my point. vick broke the law, and it has nothing to do with race. farmers - white, black, whatever - engage in agribusiness, which explicity allows cows and other animals to be slaughtered for food under specific conditions - sanitary limitations, 'humane' slaughtering techniques, quality of life, inspections, insurance - these are all relevant and legislated conditions. this is legal. training dogs to be fight to the painful death in order to watch and make bets is not. i don't see what there is to complain about there. we can have a separate conversation about the morality of killing one animal vs another, but it doesn't change the fact of our current laws and of vick engaging in what he clearly knew was a criminal act.
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Wow. Not a fan of second chances hey? I think it's crazy for you to think that this whole ordeal wouldn't have changed him as a person. The guy went from being a millionaire, NFL football star who could do pretty much whatever he wanted to being confined to a federal prison for two years. He lost his money, had to declare bankruptcy and was globally shamed. I'm not suggesting sympathy because as you said "he made his bed...he can lie in it". The point is though...he made his bed and he did lie in it.

I think the NFL's additional sentence is foolish. His reinstatement should in deed be conditional and he should have a long probationary period where if he screws up in the least he's done...no third chance...finished. That said, there is no need of an additional 5 game suspension.
hahahahaaa.

Sure thing man.

Did you even read my post?
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i only brought this up in reference to race because zachus mentioned brady and favre as white quarterbacks in regards to media attention. but if you want to keep dragging this out we can.

a player that farms cattle in a ranch is obeying the law and engaging in a legitimate business. vick was knowingly breaking the law and engaging in a criminal act. it's not about cows vs dogs, food vs love, it's about criminality and our judicial system. whine all you want that cows are a food animal and we love our purty cute snuggly canines. that's not my point. vick broke the law, and it has nothing to do with race. farmers - white, black, whatever - engage in agribusiness, which explicity allows cows and other animals to be slaughtered for food under specific conditions - sanitary limitations, 'humane' slaughtering techniques, quality of life, inspections, insurance - these are all relevant and legislated conditions. this is legal. training dogs to be fight to the painful death in order to watch and make bets is not. i don't see what there is to complain about there. we can have a separate conversation about the morality of killing one animal vs another, but it doesn't change the fact of our current laws and of vick engaging in what he clearly knew was a criminal act.
I have no problem with Vick being punished. It is a crime and he was punished for his part in the crime.
my issue is with people getting all moral about it and wanting to run the guy out of the country (SJ for instance, and the millions who feel the same way).
you can disrespect the guy for commiting a criminal act, but outright hating him and not wanting to be in the NFL again? isnt that a bit over the top?

i would get dirty looks and maybe even confronted for smacking my dog in public... yet i can pretty much go into a slaughter house and slit a pigs throat and people will pay me for it.
what makes dogs so much more valuable than a pig, or cow, or chicken for instance? a law? a paper that says they can be destroyed because they are tasty?
SJ is pretty much condemning Vick to Hell, but is probably eating a Hamburger right now for lunch.
its just very morally backwards IMO.
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you can't go into a slaughterhouse and slit a pigs throat legally, i believe. you need someone licensed to do that for you. you're not allowed to do it on your own property with animals that you raise either. all farmers have to use a licensed abattoir.
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well, let's see now, one is a criminal act, and the other is a legitimate licensed business... that's one significant difference.
And one involves torture...
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(SJ for instance, and the millions who feel the same way).
you can disrespect the guy for commiting a criminal act, but outright hating him and not wanting to be in the NFL again? isnt that a bit over the top?
Nope. Not at all. I can hate him all day long. what he did was deplorable.

As for slaughter houses, you can see all kinds of horrific things on the PETA site. And it happens, and it's also illegal.

What I find offensive is a guy posting on here like you just did Insider. Do you think you are so clever?

At some level you're going to have what we call common sense, as in, it's prety much common knowledge to most of us that htere is, and will be a growing moral seperation between people that eat meat, and people that do not.

A good portion of us know that pigs are about as smart as a 3 year old kid and can count and problem solve, and exhibit absolute fear when they are on the way to slaughter. That makes me die a little inside. I also know that slaugter house legislation, as strict as it is, is ignored in many cases and the animals are treated inhumanely. It's horrible.

If you wanna use your logic to best the young lads on here and come out feeling big, fine. But save it when you're talking to me directly ok. I'm a very well educated, socially aware 37 year old man. I know quite a bit more than you might think. My distaste and decision to dislike Michael Vick has absolutely zero to do with a fals esense of morality, or misguided anger. I know what fights need be fought, and which do not. I know whats right for me. But if you wan tto come on this board and snidely try to use some lame ass High school logic to somehow paint me as a hypocrite because I eat meant, yet don't like a guy who systematically torturred hundreds of defenseless animals for enjoymanet and small time betting, then my respnse to you is that you can fuck the hell off.

Nothing personal, I just think you might think next time before you run about insulting people for having strong feelings.

Michael Vick is a douchebag. He never said sorry once, he said sorry he was caught.
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peta is a source of stupidity and hypocracy. they should all be slaughtered.
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Im just saying, the footage they have there basically proves that there are bad things going on in more places than the Vick Compound Jackson... know what Im saying.... Peta can kiss my ass.
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i'm sure there's bad things going on in some places, but using peta as a source states that everything is bad everywhere. they use outdated videos and pictures to make a point on something that has already been legislated against.

don't mind me, i just really hate them. oh, and fuck the EU for the ban on canadian seal products!!!
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Nope. Not at all. I can hate him all day long. what he did was deplorable.

As for slaughter houses, you can see all kinds of horrific things on the PETA site. And it happens, and it's also illegal.

What I find offensive is a guy posting on here like you just did Insider. Do you think you are so clever?

At some level you're going to have what we call common sense, as in, it's prety much common knowledge to most of us that htere is, and will be a growing moral seperation between people that eat meat, and people that do not.

A good portion of us know that pigs are about as smart as a 3 year old kid and can count and problem solve, and exhibit absolute fear when they are on the way to slaughter. That makes me die a little inside. I also know that slaugter house legislation, as strict as it is, is ignored in many cases and the animals are treated inhumanely. It's horrible.

If you wanna use your logic to best the young lads on here and come out feeling big, fine. But save it when you're talking to me directly ok. I'm a very well educated, socially aware 37 year old man. I know quite a bit more than you might think. My distaste and decision to dislike Michael Vick has absolutely zero to do with a fals esense of morality, or misguided anger. I know what fights need be fought, and which do not. I know whats right for me. But if you wan tto come on this board and snidely try to use some lame ass High school logic to somehow paint me as a hypocrite because I eat meant, yet don't like a guy who systematically torturred hundreds of defenseless animals for enjoymanet and small time betting, then my respnse to you is that you can fuck the hell off.

Nothing personal, I just think you might think next time before you run about insulting people for having strong feelings.

Michael Vick is a douchebag. He never said sorry once, he said sorry he was caught.
Not even sure where to start with this. First...I guess you missed your grammar and spelling classes during the time that you were becoming so well educated.

Second, I might be inclined to believe that you are well educated if you could make an argument without cursing.

Finally, SJ saying "I just think you might think next time before you run (your mouth?) about insulting people for having strong feelings." may just be one of the more hypocritical things that I've seen written on this board.
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i'm sure there's bad things going on in some places, but using peta as a source states that everything is bad everywhere. they use outdated videos and pictures to make a point on something that has already been legislated against.

don't mind me, i just really hate them. oh, and fuck the EU for the ban on canadian seal products!!!
the way they kill seals is easily as brutal as micheal vicks dogfights. not that i care, i'm all for dogfights, seal bashing and safari hunts
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Nope. Not at all. I can hate him all day long. what he did was deplorable.

As for slaughter houses, you can see all kinds of horrific things on the PETA site. And it happens, and it's also illegal.

What I find offensive is a guy posting on here like you just did Insider. Do you think you are so clever?

At some level you're going to have what we call common sense, as in, it's prety much common knowledge to most of us that htere is, and will be a growing moral seperation between people that eat meat, and people that do not.

A good portion of us know that pigs are about as smart as a 3 year old kid and can count and problem solve, and exhibit absolute fear when they are on the way to slaughter. That makes me die a little inside. I also know that slaugter house legislation, as strict as it is, is ignored in many cases and the animals are treated inhumanely. It's horrible.

If you wanna use your logic to best the young lads on here and come out feeling big, fine. But save it when you're talking to me directly ok. I'm a very well educated, socially aware 37 year old man. I know quite a bit more than you might think. My distaste and decision to dislike Michael Vick has absolutely zero to do with a fals esense of morality, or misguided anger. I know what fights need be fought, and which do not. I know whats right for me. But if you wan tto come on this board and snidely try to use some lame ass High school logic to somehow paint me as a hypocrite because I eat meant, yet don't like a guy who systematically torturred hundreds of defenseless animals for enjoymanet and small time betting, then my respnse to you is that you can fuck the hell off.

Nothing personal, I just think you might think next time before you run about insulting people for having strong feelings.

Michael Vick is a douchebag. He never said sorry once, he said sorry he was caught.
i value your opinion, but seriously, you really are a big 37 year old cry baby... thats about all i got from that rant of yours.
if you can show me anywhere in my post where i insulted you, i would love to see it.
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my issue is with people getting all moral about it and wanting to run the guy out of the country (SJ for instance, and the millions who feel the same way).
SJ is pretty much condemning Vick to Hell, but is probably eating a Hamburger right now for lunch.
is that insulting?
if so, you are the one that needs to grow up and interpret what is an insult and what isnt.
read your post my friend, now that is a post filled with so much bullshit and insulting remarks. you write things so condescendingly and act as if we should cower at the mere presence of you, when in reality you must be the most insecure 37 year old man on the planet.
keep up the good work... keep mentioning things about yourself, keep dropping little comments to make yourself sound fabulous, and keep insulting those who have a difference of opinion than you. doing so only proves my point; you edit cant take criticism, yet can dish it out like a master.


i'll be waiting for your curse filled response telling me how stupid i am and that you are so awesome.
please dont disappoint.

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dudes, argue all you want, but keep the petty name calling out of it.
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People like Vick dont deserve a 2nd chance. Hes not sorry. Hes doing the stuff for the humaine society and all that for his image. Hes scum. He TORTURED and KILLED helpless animals for his own amusement. You can argue dogs vs pigs all you want(its not even an argument really), but the guy is saddistic and theres something seriously wrong with anyone who wants to torture another living thing, doesnt matter what it is, and then on top of it try out a bunch of different ways to kill it.

I hope one day Vick gets his cummuffins or however the hell you spell it.
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you know what, fuck Michael Vick.

due process, served his time, so fucking what???

As if he's a victim.

He made his bed, and he can sleep in it. I hope he gets snubbed by every team in the NBA. Should he have to go play someplace else on the planet where maybe Killing and torturing animals is ok, then fine, I'm sure there's a barbaric society somewhere.

We live in a bad world in many ways. Trust, Vick ain't coming outta prison a changed man, if anything he's got a few tattoo's he can use to show his "cred". Dude embraced and lived in his world, it is who he was and is.

This Political BS blanket people suckle on makes me wanna puke.... "oooh he paid his debts" so what. And guess what, we let his ass out of jail, EARLY. He did his political time, his moral time is not something you can measure, and I am far from alone on this one.

I don't wish ill on Vick, but he sure as fuck is not getting any sympathy on this.
Well of course, hes a football player.
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People like Vick dont deserve a 2nd chance. Hes not sorry. Hes doing the stuff for the humaine society and all that for his image. Hes scum. He TORTURED and KILLED helpless animals for his own amusement. You can argue dogs vs pigs all you want(its not even an argument really), but the guy is saddistic and theres something seriously wrong with anyone who wants to torture another living thing, doesnt matter what it is, and then on top of it try out a bunch of different ways to kill it.

I hope one day Vick gets his cummuffins or however the hell you spell it.
im just being devil's advocate here, but i guess half of the world is sadistic then.
all the people who participated and watched the dog fights, people who run cock fights, pretty much everyone in spain since they participate in 'bull fights', etc...
they are all sadistic and dont deserve second chances.

this is all about a bored stupid idiot with too much money in the bank and nothing do with his time.
when we were kids, im betting we all captured insects and killed them or tried to get them in a jar and fight (i know i did), does that make me or any other kid who does that to these 'helpless animals' a sadistic freak? in this case, and on a much bigger scale, vick (who probably has the education of a 6th grader with money) pretty much has no clue about reality and life in general.

no one here knows if he feels any remorse, but we definitely cant say he hasnt changed or is possibly a more mature human being who has learned from this experience.
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pretty much everyone in spain since they participate in 'bull fights', etc...
ummm, most people here dont like bullfighting. Actually. I have only met two or three people in my life that enjoys it.
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