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Old 11-29-2010, 05:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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to say the CFL is like the NFL's d-league is stupid and ignorant.

Teams 1-8 in the CFL would wipe the floor with any D1 college football team. Fact. How often do NFL guys get cut from NFL teams, come down to the CFL thinking they'll run the show and proceed to get cut? Way more often than you think. It's a different game; a lot of the time big, slow NFL guys can't catch up to a faster game, can't cover the area on a wider field, etc.

The difference between the CFL and the NFL is not talent, it's size. CFL players can do everything NFL players can, they're just nowhere near as big. Case in point - Kevin Eiben, one of the Argos' linebackers is 6 feet, 200 pounds. Brian Urlacher is 6 feet 4 inches, 260 pounds.
So a league with less talented players, smaller players as you say, all too many Canadian players that can't even get much more then a sniff in the NFL is essentially the minor leagues for the NFL and the second best league of professional football of what, two professional leagues? And saying that that they're like the D League is ignorant? It's an opinion, and saying that they can beat some college teams doesn't exactly make me change my mind. I mean an 8 team professional league should ceratinly have enough talent to beat College kids, yet an eight team league has as one of it's starting QB's....Cleo Lemon.

In an 8 team league, how many true superstar players are there? And out of those superstars, how many could cut it in the NFL?

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Old 11-29-2010, 06:28 PM   #22 (permalink)
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to say the CFL is like the NFL's d-league is stupid and ignorant.

Teams 1-8 in the CFL would wipe the floor with any D1 college football team. Fact. How often do NFL guys get cut from NFL teams, come down to the CFL thinking they'll run the show and proceed to get cut? Way more often than you think. It's a different game; a lot of the time big, slow NFL guys can't catch up to a faster game, can't cover the area on a wider field, etc.

The difference between the CFL and the NFL is not talent, it's size. CFL players can do everything NFL players can, they're just nowhere near as big. Case in point - Kevin Eiben, one of the Argos' linebackers is 6 feet, 200 pounds. Brian Urlacher is 6 feet 4 inches, 260 pounds.

I think a better comparison would be like the NBA and Europe Basketball. Two different styles, tons of talent in both, different play. Also some players can be great in both leagues but others can only do one or the other.


NFL slow? That is where I disagree. NFL players are the best athletes out there. That Brian Urlacher guy you listed at 260lbs ran a 4.49 40. That is amazing for a guy that big. The NFL is speed now. The guys are amazing fast. Chris Johnson was time at a 4.2 something 40. The game has change overtime and speed has been a big part. The players are faster and stronger then ever before.

The CFL & NFL are just different games. Still football but different fields, different styles, different rules(like in the CFL the WR can getting a running start, 12 players vs 11, point system).

Talent? NFL is the most talented league. CFL has talent no question about it but it doesn't match up to the NFL talent. The NFL just has more money, more popular now, etc it gets the best players.

But like you said a great NFL player doesn't mean he will be a great CFL player. There is a adjustment to the play and some are just not suited for the game.
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Old 11-29-2010, 07:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Second best, is there a third option? How many professional football leagues are there?

What i'm saying is that to me the CFL is to the NFL what the D League is to the NBA. And who here watches the D League? If you have the option to watch the best league with the most talented players and one of the best run leagues, or a watered down league with a stupid playoff structure with only 8 teams and a league that dictates what the roster has to look like (so many canadian players on each roster), and other problems that i listed above why would you pick the CFL? Like i said, to me it's bush league and all i was doing was agreeing with someone else. Why no ask him why he feels this way as well. I mean, maybe he'd be more articutale in what his reasoning is. Get his perspective on it since he's the one who brought it up.
Nonsense. Why would you like the CFL when the best league is south of the border? I don't know, maybe because you live in Montreal, Sask, Hamilton, toronto, Vancouver and you actually like having a home team to cheer for? Maybe because it's the national league of the country you live in? Maybe oh just maybe because you're a big football fan and you enjoy to watch games because you like the sport? i know a few people who watch both NFL and CFL because they're football fans. crazy.

By your reasoning you may as well tell Scottish, German or French soccer fans to forget about their leagues and teams they've supported for a hundred years because it's not the premiership. Yes they should just watch the premiership because it's better so their leagues aren't worth the effort. Hell you could even throw Spanish and Italians into the mix too.

and Hey you didn't have to answer if you felt wrongfully put on the spot. I'm all ears for mr Mxyptlk's reasoning too if it makes you feel any better. I just find it a silly stance people take be putting the CFL down when in all honesty there's no real reason for it.

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I think a better comparison would be like the NBA and Europe Basketball. Two different styles, tons of talent in both, different play. Also some players can be great in both leagues but others can only do one or the other.
Thank you. That's actually the perfect comparison. Leave it to the American NFL fan to bring some sense.
i'll +1 thought's points too.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Not my cup of tea, but I'd like to see the pussies down south try and play with only 3 downs.
tell that to those college teams with quick shotgun offenses in college

CFL football is compatible to high school football in style
all flash with spread offenses 5 wide receivers and what not

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to say the CFL is like the NFL's d-league is stupid and ignorant.

Teams 1-8 in the CFL would wipe the floor with any D1 college football team. Fact. How often do NFL guys get cut from NFL teams, come down to the CFL thinking they'll run the show and proceed to get cut? Way more often than you think. It's a different game; a lot of the time big, slow NFL guys can't catch up to a faster game, can't cover the area on a wider field, etc.

I think there are about 5 teams in college that could beat the good CFL teams
10 that could beat the poorer teams
have to realize that they have stronger/faster players and better coaches

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Not my cup of tea, but I'd like to see the pussies down south try and play with only 3 downs.
Well, i'd like to see the pussies up here play on a smaller field.
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Well, i'd like to see the pussies up here play on a smaller field.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:57 PM   #27 (permalink)
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tell that to those college teams with quick shotgun offenses in college

CFL football is compatible to high school football in style
all flash with spread offenses 5 wide receivers and what not




I think there are about 5 teams in college that could beat the good CFL teams
10 that could beat the poorer teams
have to realize that they have stronger/faster players and better coaches
Add to that, who do you think is better coached and better trained, Canadian HS/College players or American HS/College players? Then look at how the CFL forces teams to take those Canadian born players. It shrinks the talent pool and narrows options for teams. Therefore do they have the best possible talent on their rosters? How is it that in an 8 team league you don't see 8 great QB's? I mean, shit it's only 8 teams. You mean to tell me you can't find 8 very good quarterbacks?

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Old 11-29-2010, 11:22 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Cool, do you guys feel better after getting all that out? Amazing how you don't give it the time of day and watch or follow it, but you're experts on the players, style of play, talent pool, etc.

Obviously the talent in the NFL is infinitely better and like I said - it's not my cup of tea, but it's kind of cool Canada has there own thing and there's obviously enough people that enjoy it, so who cares.
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there is not 1 starting Canadian QB in the league.

Thing is, NFL backups and players on practice squads would make the league better, but they're getting payed a lot more to just sit on the bench
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there is not 1 starting Canadian QB in the league.

Thing is, NFL backups and players on practice squads would make the league better, but they're getting payed a lot more to just sit on the bench
I didn't say there was. I was more talking about QB's as a seperate issue. My point is you have a tiny 8 team league, and with that size a league you'd think that 8 good quarterbacks could be found, no? It speaks to the overall talent pool in the CFL.
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I didn't say there was. I was more talking about QB's as a seperate issue. My point is you have a tiny 8 team league, and with that size a league you'd think that 8 good quarterbacks could be found, no? It speaks to the overall talent pool in the CFL.
money is the biggest issue

NFL has a cap of around $120 mil, CFL has around $4 mil
theres no way you can compete with that
some QB's in the NFL make more than 3-4 teams combined
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money is the biggest issue

NFL has a cap of around $120 mil, CFL has around $4 mil
theres no way you can compete with that
some QB's in the NFL make more than 3-4 teams combined
True, and hasn't the CFL nearly gone under a few times. Shit how many times has Ottawa lost their team?

Isn't the average salary for a CFL player under 100k?
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In the 2009 season of the NFL, the average yearly salary for a NFL player is around $770,000 USD. In comparison to the CFL, the average salary for a CFL player in 2009 is approximately $50,000 CAN. Often players from the CFL will need to find second jobs in the off season to supplement their income from playing football. The highest paid player in the NFL is making over 10-15 million dollars per season such as the likes of Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, and Ben Roethlisberger. The highest paid player in the CFL is could be making $450,000 (Printers)
Starting QB's generally make around $200 - $400 k
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Toronto – The Grey Cup continues to be one of Canada's biggest celebrations. Overnight data from BBM Canada confirms that an average audience of 6.04 million viewers watched last night's CFL championship game, making it the second most-watched Grey Cup game ever –slightly behind last year's record setting game (6.1 million).

The audience for the 98th Grey Cup peaked at 7.6 million viewers on TSN and RDS late in the fourth quarter as Montreal's Billy Parker intercepted Saskatchewan quarterback Darian Durant's errant throw in the final minute allowing the Alouettes to hold on for a 21-18 victory.

Overall, close to 14 million Canadians, or nearly 42% of the country's population tuned in to watch some or all of last night's broadcast on TSN and RDS.

TSN's 98th Grey Cup average audience of 4.94 million viewers ranks as the third highest audience ever recorded for the network (2010 IIHF World Junior Gold Medal Game– 5.4 million viewers and 2009 Grey Cup – 5.073 million viewers).* The Grey Cup caps off another extremely successful year for CFL ON TSN, that saw the network set numerous audience records throughout the regular season and playoffs.

RDS' French-language broadcast attracted an average audience of 1.1 million viewers making it the network's second most-watched Grey Cup ever.
More than 6 million Canadians watched the Grey Cup on TSN
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no offense to any members here who like Canadian football...but i have no use for this organization...bush league at best
Its true. Whats the point of watching the CFL when there is the NFL which is miles ahead of the talent they have in the CFL.
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Its true. Whats the point of watching the CFL when there is the NFL which is miles ahead of the talent they have in the CFL.
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seems i've sparked a rather nasty debate here ...that wasn't my intention...just my personal opinion gentlemen
some like it, some don't....some like the NHL, some don't...some like soccer, some don't....etc etc etc
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I don't like soccer, which is why I don't comment on it at all or for that matter even go in the soccer thread.
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seems i've sparked a rather nasty debate here ...that wasn't my intention...just my personal opinion gentlemen
some like it, some don't....some like the NHL, some don't...some like soccer, some don't....etc etc etc
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.... this is the "I Like Stuff" thread, right?
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