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Brian Colangelo sucks more 2 8.70%
Brian Burke sucks more 10 43.48%
They both suck just as bad 11 47.83%
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Please. We currently have 5 lottery draft picks on our team + 3 young 1st rounders aquired by other means. In Colangelo's first 6 years he never traded a lottery pick (until Lowry). I don't understand anyone saying he's traded away all these draft picks. The only draft pick anyone could question is the #17 pick for JO which nobody gave a damn about until Bosh left.
don't forget the second rounders of which there are more than a few
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:19 PM   #22 (permalink)
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He won every single one of those trades and yes I would say T.J Ford contributed to some success, same with Delfino and Humphries for Hoffa was an absolute steal....hoffa was out of the league within a year. Belinelli for Deavan George was the same thing, George never played again. I would also say that getting Rasho here was a solid move and contributed to our success in our two playoff years.
i think you missed the point of what i was saying. Delfino, Hump, Belinelli, Marion... all nice players, but why is it that they were only here for 1 or 2 years? to me that cancels out a lot of the good of bringing them here.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:28 PM   #23 (permalink)
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AA>>>BC>>>BB

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Old 11-24-2012, 10:47 PM   #24 (permalink)
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It's Burke.

Why? Colangelo tinkers with the team hoping for a good fit, but seems to be able to get out of any contract he wants to quit on without taking back something horrid in return. He must have pictures of other GMs that they don't want to get out.

As for Burke, he was doomed when fans were screaming for a proper and patient rebuild through the draft and he showed up on the scene with a blank slate and decided he didn't need to rebuild. Worse than a treadmill team, they've had no success at all.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:06 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Colangelo's weakness: issuing bad contracts. Trades and draft picks have been so-so. But, the amout of money he dishes to mediocre players like Amir, Landry, and Demar is insane.
Burke's weakness: everything. At least Colangelo made up for some of his mistakes, for instance, getting rid of Hedo. Burke, on the other hand, ALWAYS thinks he's right. Till this day he can't admit the Kessel trade was a complete joke.
What I hate about both of them:
They both worry too much about character. Ex: colangelo passed on drummond because of his "mental-makeup" and burke passed on *and* publically criticized heatly.
They both suck, but, in the end, Burke is worse.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:23 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Colangelo's weakness: issuing bad contracts. Trades and draft picks have been so-so. But, the amout of money he dishes to mediocre players like Amir, Landry, and Demar is insane.
Burke's weakness: everything. At least Colangelo made up for some of his mistakes, for instance, getting rid of Hedo. Burke, on the other hand, ALWAYS thinks he's right. Till this day he can't admit the Kessel trade was a complete joke.
What I hate about both of them:
They both worry too much about character. Ex: colangelo passed on drummond because of his "mental-makeup" and burke passed on *and* publically criticized heatly.
They both suck, but, in the end, Burke is worse.
Demar is an average player? seriously? fields is getting just above 6 million a year, and that's slightly more than the average player makes. he's still young too.. and he didn't play well while injured.. stop jumping to conclusions


there's only one downfall with BC and that is sticking to bargnani, but really, we don't know what kind of offers he's had, so we can't even say anything there. for all we know, keeping Bargnani compared to the trades offered was the better move for the team. we simply cannot.. JUDGE!
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:19 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Demar is an average player? seriously? fields is getting just above 6 million a year, and that's slightly more than the average player makes. he's still young too.. and he didn't play well while injured.. stop jumping to conclusions


there's only one downfall with BC and that is sticking to bargnani, but really, we don't know what kind of offers he's had, so we can't even say anything there. for all we know, keeping Bargnani compared to the trades offered was the better move for the team. we simply cannot.. JUDGE!
-What I meant, in short, is that Demar is not worth what he's getting paid.
-Fields shouldn't be getting paid 19 million based on his performance during his *2ND* NBA season, not the start of this one. Nonetheless, he's been crap this year too.
-Young? Wtf is does "youth" prove anyways. You either have a high ceiling or you don't. Falling for youth is exactly where BC went wrong in giving Amir that nasty contract.
-The only downfall with BC is sticking with Bargnani? Signing Kapono, signing Hedo, trading for J O'neal, resigning Amir, resigning Gray (God knows why he got 2 yrs), signing Fields, extending Demar, losing Bosh for nothing, and so on.
-BC has made questionable trades and signings, and you're just another one of those delusionally optimistic fans who think otherwise.

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:43 AM   #28 (permalink)
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The one thing that I've never understood about EITHER of these teams has been the unwillingness to stockpile draft picks and build FRESH from the ground up.

It's always a stop-gap.... it's always offering big money to "average players"... or grossly overpaying for washed up ones.

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:52 AM   #29 (permalink)
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The one thing that I've never understood about EITHER of these teams has been the unwillingness to stockpile draft picks and build FRESH from the ground up.

It's always a stop-gap.... it's always offering big money to "average players"... or grossly overpaying for washed up ones.


Yeah, I know. Colangelo has been very patient the last 2 years and he has done that to an extent with Ross, Valanciunas, Derozan, Davis. But I would have loved to see him aquiring an extra lottery pick at some point particularly last summer.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:44 AM   #30 (permalink)
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you know what would be interesting to look at winning percentages of both teams various seasons and as totals. if i have time i can try to find them.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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you know what would be interesting to look at winning percentages of both teams various seasons and as totals. if i have time i can try to find them.

Don't forget there are 3 loss columns in hockey. All I know is prior to Bosh leaving we were .500 Colangelo's first 4yrs all together.

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well yeah i know that clouds the numbers.
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well yeah i know that clouds the numbers.
Maybe just do win totals. They both play the same amount of games (other than the shortened Raps season.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:27 PM   #34 (permalink)
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They're both awful. Tyler Seguin
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:08 PM   #35 (permalink)
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There isn't close to enough knowledge on this board to accurately fuel this thread.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:10 PM   #36 (permalink)
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There isn't close to enough knowledge on this board to accurately fuel this thread.
You posted in a thread that hasn't been posted in for weeks to say that?


Uhhmm, ok thanks for the info smartass. Way to up the knowledge ...

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:10 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Both put up years of mediocrity. Leafs fans have been salivating for the playoffs since god knows when. It's tough to choose between the two, but both of them have definitely been nowhere near stellar.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:49 AM   #38 (permalink)
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dude are you serious? Have you not watched the games this year? Two of the 4 players you mentioned are completely unproven (even thought i really like Val) and 95% of the fanbase is praying to have one of them traded.

I'm not saying the Leafs core is great or better or anything, but there is a collection of good players there. Kessel, Lupul (who i absolutely love and whose injury was the main reason the team collapsed), Gardiner, Grabovski. Those are some nice players man.

If you think the Raptors are in a significantly better position than the leafs than i think you are a massive homer.
Fuck man, I really hate discussing hockey because I really really despise the leafs, and all the years I waisted supporting such a dysfunctional organization, but since you called me out...

I was an absolute DIE HARD leafs fan from 1998 and on up until about the 2009-2010 season. I pretty much stopped caring after Burke dealt 2 first round picks for Kessel. What a fucking awful move, and a horrible misread by an arrogant and stupid general manager. Ron Wilson was also a terrible coach, and he stuck by him for too long. Kessel is one dimensional, he can score ya great, but he's a liability when the teams in their own zone, he could give a shit about back checking. Gardner is young and unproven, he has tons of upside, but then again so did Luke schenn after his first stellar season. Grabovski and Lupul are this teams closest versions of 2 way players, and I like them both. The team has been just awful in net for the past 2-3 years, Burke/Wilson/ Allaire pretty much ruined Toskala and his career, brought in an older Giguerre who was just as bad, and they still have a giant question mark. Gustavsson was smart, unlike Toskala he bolted before Allaire could try and alter his style or ruin his career. Reimer was terrible and Scrivens is unproven. Phaneuf is a pile of shit, and should not be captain, etc.. etc..

In sum:- Some good young players, but mostly one dimensional
- No superstar (2 potential superstars now in Boston)
- No goaltending
- Downright terrible defensively
- Dont know what you are going to get out of Randy Carlile (sp?)

The Raptors are in a much better position than the leafs right now..

-We have a great coach
-We have young players WE DRAFTED


Toronto Team Rankings: jays>Raptors>leafs>Toronto FC
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