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Old 02-22-2010, 12:04 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:08 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Only people who know next to nothing about hockey think Canada is way ahead of the pack in a tournament like this. Canada has more depth than most nations, but at the Olympics, all you need is 3 lines of quality NHL talent and a great goalie to stand a chance at winning the Gold.

When it comes to depth, Canada still is ahead of the pack by quite a margin, and that's why Canada is still quite dominant at the World Junior tournament. Again, anybody who knows anything about hockey recognizes that. At the Juniour level, you have to draw talent from a 3 year age range, but at the Olympics you can pull players from an age range of 15-18 years between the youngest and oldest. Thus, your country just needs to produce 1 or 2 good NHL calibre players per year, in order to have the talent pool to field a competitive Olympic team. Canada could field 5 or 6 quality Olympic teams.



No. Russia caught up to Canada 30 years ago, but many other countries hadn't caught up until the late 90s. What you see in international hockey is similar to what you see in international basketball, except what's happening in hockey took place a little earlier than basketball, since euros entered the NHL earlier than they did the NBA.

Right now, a number of teams can challenge the Americans in basketball in a 1 game elimination tournament. Nothing is easy for the Americans now. If they don't send their best, they'll have trouble winning a medal. In Basketball, the US has the deepest talent pool, but the gap between their best TEAM and other countries' best teams, is not that great. As the years pass, european basketball teams are just going to get deeper and deeper. The same might apply to the big South American countries, like Brazil and Argentina.
Uh canada lost this years world juniors to the states so obviously canada is not as dominant as you would like to think, face it the americans are catching up and the US is just too big of a country too ignore and they put 10times the amount of money into sport than canada does and that is starting to show in hockey with a gold in the world juniors and this victory over canada, so get over yourself puck head canadians because we dont own hockey...better get used to it
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:29 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Uh canada lost this years world juniors to the states so obviously canada is not as dominant as you would like to think, face it the americans are catching up and the US is just too big of a country too ignore and they put 10times the amount of money into sport than canada does and that is starting to show in hockey with a gold in the world juniors and this victory over canada, so get over yourself puck head canadians because we dont own hockey...better get used to it
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Armchair, i know all of that but imo it means little to nothing. For a country that boasts to be the best Hockey nation in the world and to have such little Olympic success is still a punch in the gut. Even if you look at since 1998 when NHL players played for everyone we've not dominated at all, including not medaling at all in 2006. I understand what you're saying about the way things were back then, and i'll say it all contributes to some of the lack of success, i don't see it as black and white. We underachieved to a great degree and haven't faired much better since the mid-late 90's either.
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Uh canada lost this years world juniors to the states so obviously canada is not as dominant as you would like to think, face it the americans are catching up and the US is just too big of a country too ignore and they put 10times the amount of money into sport than canada does and that is starting to show in hockey with a gold in the world juniors and this victory over canada, so get over yourself puck head canadians because we dont own hockey...better get used to it


The Canadian team was going for its 6 straight gold medal when it lost by one goal to the Americans in overtime. That was only the Americans 2nd gold medal all-time at the tournament. And, unlike Canada, the US has sent a national team, consisting of its best players, since the 70s. Winning the juniour tournament 5 years in a row is pretty dominant. It's a big difference from what now takes place at the Olympic level, which was my point.
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Armchair, i know all of that but imo it means little to nothing. For a country that boasts to be the best Hockey nation in the world and to have such little Olympic success is still a punch in the gut. Even if you look at since 1998 when NHL players played for everyone we've not dominated at all, including not medaling at all in 2006. I understand what you're saying about the way things were back then, and i'll say it all contributes to some of the lack of success, i don't see it as black and white. We underachieved to a great degree and haven't faired much better since the mid-late 90's either.
Yes, and I conceded that, at the olympic level (use of NHLers) the world has caught up. People shouldn't be boasting about being the "best Hockey nation", unless they add the necessarily qualifications to the statement. That is, we have the most DEPTH of talent. But, in a tournament like the 2010 Olympics, it is ridiculous for anyone to assume Canada would definitely win Gold. Even making it to the final would be extremely hard, given the talent on the 5-6 of the other teams.

In the final analysis, you and I agree that people shouldn't be making bold assumptions about the Canadian men's olympic team. That's why I, too, was pissed off about them singing the anthem to the Americans at the restaurant. Where we disagree is the manner in which we explain why people shouldn't be over confident. You sometimes point to evidence that I don't accept as relevant. In the grand scheme of things, it's a minor point, since we draw a similar conclusion.
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I'll repeat a previous post and say Canada stinks on ice
this was not a shocker by any means, USA has 4+ all star level players and this is their Olympics as we've seen in other sports
Marty was not great in goal, wonder why Luongo wasn't playing, its his home ice

teams who go to quarters automatically
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Sweden
Russia
Finland

Canada is 6th and has to play Germany next
if they win they play Russia, then if we're lucky to win, Sweden
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Old 02-22-2010, 06:55 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Was i the only one that was really and truly annoyed by Pierre Maguire and his "analysis"?

Every fucking chance he got he was pulling out some useless and pointless NHL reference. I found him to be a hyper, spazzy, know-it-all kid that had just HAD TO bring every little NHL related tidbit into the discussion that he could. It was way over the top and annoying. At one point i just changed it to OMNI 2 which was showing the game with Chinese commentators and it made the audio THAT much more tolerable to my ears.

I wished the one of the American networks would have shown the game live, but they suck even more for their lame ass Olympic coverage.

The BEST would have been to shown the game without any TV announcers, but rather to just have the sounds of the game and the arena. That would have been amazing.

Otherwise, good entertaining game. Bad result, but i said before that Ryan Millar is the best goal keeper in the Olympics. Also I think the Brodeur heard Maguire and just couldn't focus. Shitty that now Canada will have to play Russia, but hey you KNOW that game will be amazing - and Russia has been a bit of a let down so far.
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The BEST would have been to shown the game without any TV announcers, but rather to just have the sounds of the game and the arena. That would have been amazing.
That's how I watched it... no commentators at all. Just the sounds you would hear as if you were there in the arena watching the game. They still showed the slow motion replays too. I watched it online though on ctv.ca but I gotta say, for an online stream it was pretty damn good quality.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:18 AM   #49 (permalink)
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just off the CTV website, eh?

I'll give that a try next time!
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:35 AM   #50 (permalink)
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I'd like to see more of Joe Thornton.
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just off the CTV website, eh?

I'll give that a try next time!
Yeah, here's the link straight to the olympics section:

2010 Winter Olympics - Watch Online - News, Results, Photos and Video - CTV Olympics

Just choose the event you want to watch under the Viewer's Guide (right side of the page). It's great to have something to watch while at work
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Old 02-22-2010, 09:02 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Pierre Maguire is a good analyst. Shut it HOOPHEAD


Canada is fine.

They hit a hot goalie and Marty B. needs to make room for Luongo.

Thats about it.

Canada dominated the US last night, the game play was simply dominated except for about a 5 min stretch at the beginning and at the start of the third.

Still gonna get them a gold.
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Still gonna get them a gold.
not if the Swedes or Russians have anything to say about it
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People talk about how dumb it was for a group of patriotic Canadians to sing Oh Canada outside a restaurant that some of the American players were having dinner at, yet no one talks about how extra they were whenever they'd score a goal. You'd think that they were playing for the Stanley Cup the way they'd celebrate after a goal. Shameless. Don't get me wrong, I applaud the effort the Americans put forth, the gave it their all. Miller stood on his head, because believe me, had they started Quick or Thomas, it would have been a different story. Also, Perry and Getzlaf are awful. Perry's been dogging it in all of their games. Getzlaf looks lazy. These guys need to have a fire lit under their asses.
I'll tell you this much though, if we do beat the Russians, we're gonna win the gold.


Anyways, not sure why Babcock went with Brodeur after he looked shaky in the Swiss game. I would have went right back to Luongo. The guys seem to have more confidence with him between the pipes. He'll be the starter for the Germany game and from here on in. Some of the line juggling didn't make sense either. I'd like to see Iginla back with with Crosby and Nash. They also need to crash the net more often.


As for NBC's coverage, they had Chris fuckin' Collingsworth talking about the hockey game after with Al Michaels. Awful. It was like if the Canadians would send Peter Loubardias and Nick Kypreos to cover basketball in the Olympics.
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not if the Swedes or Russians have anything to say about it
If Canada beats Russia, there's no way the Swedes are beating Canada. No fucking way.
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Everyone is bringing their A game to play Canada. Every team they've played. Problem is, Canada has yet to play to their potential. Babcock has to untap it. Canada has way too much talent not to medal.
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If Canada beats Russia, there's no way the Swedes are beating Canada. No fucking way.
they're defending champs, don't sell 'em short
I've seen them play and they are very good on offense and defense
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they're defending champs, don't sell 'em short
I've seen them play and they are very good on offense and defense
Buddy, who hasn't seen them play? WHo has been their toughest competition so far? Finland? Who was their competition on their road to the gold medal last time? The Swiss? The Czechs? Finland? Come on.
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Pierre Maguire is a good analyst. Shut it HOOPHEAD

Pierre McGuire is horrible, no surprise he's on TSN. He's way to excitable and yells wayyyyyyyyyyy too much.
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