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Old 10-02-2010, 03:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2010, 05:46 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Honestly, I thought of "isolation" too, particularly the line "I'm ashamed of the things I've been put through, I'm ashamed of the person I am".

Lyrics in isolation are great, but I actually kind of find it upbeat and quirky.

Just the spirit of Joy Division's whole work speaks to the spirit of trolls, misfits and outcasts.

With the song shadowplay, I felt like the song captured the guilt and loathing of the criminal just as much the victim.

"I let them use you...for their own ends"

And the line about going to center of the city, to me that's like, being the center of attention, and the city kind of represents a steely, cold, interconnected community.

And the line "waiting for you".... refers to the guy who knew he was about to get his hands on a video of Tyler. And with Twitter, he's making it all the center of attention. Just waiting for the bomb to drop. I'm going to the center of attention, waiting for you, to consume you for the sake of benefiting others.

And of course the lyrics appeal to Tylers psychology as well. All hopes sank in a scary ocean, the assasins waiting. Acting out your own death, knowing no more.

Just a chilling song, really. RIP Tyler, and to the guy who played the role of ultimate troll, you'll likely be haunted by this for a long time. Feel sorry for you too, dude.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:32 AM   #43 (permalink)
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"My gift of self is raped,

my privacy is raped

and yet I find, and yet I find

repeating in my head

if I can't be my own

I'd feel better dead"

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Old 10-03-2010, 11:02 AM   #44 (permalink)
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To all the people who are saying that the two kids should be charged for something like manslaughter is RIDICULOUS.

What did these two kids do exactly? They didn't even INSULT their gay roommate! The roommate was just so insecure about his own sexuality that he took his own life. How can you pin such a serious charge on two kids? I'm sure if this was a situation where a boy was kissing a girl, and he committed suicide because it was taped, the hate against these "tapers" would be non-existent. It is downright STUPID to take your on life.

Sure they made a mistake, they are kids. I'm sure as hell though that they didn't mean for things to end up the way it did.

Committing suicide is the most coward thing to do. This kid who committed suicide should not be seen as an angel here who we all must pity. If he were going through some REAL problems maybe I would understand. But to take your own life because you were embarrassed by something you did? That's not something you blame on anyone else but the "suicider"
this post is wrong on so many different levels that i don't even know where to begin

as far as punishment for the students goes...i would much prefer that they were put right back in the school with the hope that they are completely ostricised and continually ridiculed by their fellow students
here's hoping that the guilt of what they've done will eat away at them like a slow cancer for years to come (much more effective punishment than having them spend 1-5 years in what will essentially be a "resort")

bottom line is that people need to grow the fuck up...respect other peoples privacy, sexual preference, religious beliefs etc etc etc

holy Jebus, this is 2010...not 1710
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:19 AM   #45 (permalink)
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this post is wrong on so many different levels that i don't even know where to begin

as far as punishment for the students goes...i would much prefer that they were put right back in the school with the hope that they are completely ostricised and continually ridiculed by their fellow students
here's hoping that the guilt of what they've done will eat away at them like a slow cancer for years to come (much more effective punishment than having them spend 1-5 years in what will essentially be a "resort")

bottom line is that people need to grow the fuck up...respect other peoples privacy, sexual preference, religious beliefs etc etc etc

holy Jebus, this is 2010...not 1710
what prison did you go to that was a resort? cause I sure would've liked to stay there
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:47 AM   #46 (permalink)
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what prison did you go to that was a resort? cause I sure would've liked to stay there
minimum security...might as well be called a resort
government will probably end up paying for their degree while they stay there as well













meanwhile...a kid who was just trying to live his life is now six feet under
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Old 10-03-2010, 03:20 PM   #47 (permalink)
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this post is wrong on so many different levels that i don't even know where to begin

as far as punishment for the students goes...i would much prefer that they were put right back in the school with the hope that they are completely ostricised and continually ridiculed by their fellow students
here's hoping that the guilt of what they've done will eat away at them like a slow cancer for years to come (much more effective punishment than having them spend 1-5 years in what will essentially be a "resort")

bottom line is that people need to grow the fuck up...respect other peoples privacy, sexual preference, religious beliefs etc etc etc

holy Jebus, this is 2010...not 1710
I'm going by what exactly was reported in this article. The whole article revolves around the fact that Tyler killed himself because he was video-taped kissing another man. There are no other facts in this article which suggest otherwise. How do we know that he was ridiculed while he was growing up? Let's stay away from assumptions and stick to the facts of the article.

But if we want to play the assumption game, then I would like to make the assumption that his "bullies" (I don't even know if you can call them such) did not mean for this to happen. I assume they are kids who, are immature, but did not mean for Tyler to kill himself.

Be comfortable with the fact that you are gay. If you are gay, go ahead and kiss another man. But don't be ashamed to do so. Why is he so ashamed and insecure about himself?

Again, let me reiterate that my stance on this situation is based on article facts, NOT on the assumption that Tyler has faced ridicule all his life.


Some of you are calling for the stoning of these two kids, when their crime essentially only boils down to "invading privacy." I'm sure some of you have committed an intrusion of privacy even at its smallest levels, such as taking a sneak peak at your beloved's phone, or trying to find out what your buddy did with a girl the other night. He who hasn't invaded the privacy of anyone in their life, be the first to throw a rock right to the heads of these two kids. Otherwise save your hypocrisy for a different argument.
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:14 PM   #49 (permalink)
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hypocrisy?
It's pretty simple to understand. Go back in time to when you were these kids' ages, and take in my argument again.
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minimum security...might as well be called a resort
government will probably end up paying for their degree while they stay there as well

meanwhile...a kid who was just trying to live his life is now six feet under
do we know if they will be in minimum security? cause violent crimes (if its classified that) tend to be in harsher prisons
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Old 10-03-2010, 07:24 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Be comfortable with the fact that you are gay. If you are gay, go ahead and kiss another man. But don't be ashamed to do so. Why is he so ashamed and insecure about himself?
Why is he so insecure about himself? Really? You need to ask that question? Regardless of whether or not he was ridiculed in the past, there is more than sufficient reason for a young homosexual man to be concerned that his sexual preferences might garner unwanted attention/ridicule from others. Some members of society still think it is a "sin." Some members of society still don't want homosexuals to have equal rights, such as marriage and the ability to adopt kids. The prevelance of these beliefs communicates to homosexuals that quite a few people don't accept their situation. I can't believe you even have to ask that question.

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Some of you are calling for the stoning of these two kids, when their crime essentially only boils down to "invading privacy." I'm sure some of you have committed an intrusion of privacy even at its smallest levels, such as taking a sneak peak at your beloved's phone, or trying to find out what your buddy did with a girl the other night. He who hasn't invaded the privacy of anyone in their life, be the first to throw a rock right to the heads of these two kids. Otherwise save your hypocrisy for a different argument.
To be clear, I don't think they should be charged with manslaughter. But I think your analogy is poor, and I don't think you've established that other people here are hypocrites. Not even close. I think your willingness to judge others here while simultaneously arguing against premature judgements is rather "interesting."

Your "sneaking a peak" analogy is weak. This is more than a privacy issue. As far as law enforcement is concerned, the individuals in question MIGHT only be charged based on that aspect of what occured, but there is most certainly more taking place in this case with regards to moral considerations. Your analogy fails for AT LEAST three reasons: First, the degree of the privacy invasion. Second, the sharing of information/images obtained through the invasion of privacy. Third, the intent of the invasion of privacy.

See, even if we grant your premise that the losers in question did NOT intend for Tyler to kill himself, their actions indicate that they DID intend to cause a great deal of humiliation.

A better analogy would be to pick a scenario in which the people you're responding to invade another person's privacy with the intent of sharing obtained informaion or images for the purpose of causing someone a great deal of humiliation. I don't know...say, for example, you take your GF's phone, with the intent of finding some "dirt", then you notice a picture of her in a scenario that would cause a great deal of humiliation, so you press "send" and email that photo to a bunch of people at school.

That, champ, is a better analogy.


I actually don't find it hard to believe that nobody here did that before. I'm sure almost everybody here has called a person a name before or something simple like that, but stealing info/images for the purpose of humiliating a person in front of AT LEAST dozens of other people, if not a much greater audience (after all, it's the internet).....? I don't think that is common. It takes a special kind of asshole. I honestly think that's a greater degree of "fucking with someone" than the overwhelming majority of people ever try.

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Old 10-04-2010, 02:55 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I've been trying to stay out of this thread because I didn't want to lose my head... but some of you just don't quite get it.

As straight males, you guys can NOT comprehend what it's like to be a young gay guy in a society where that still isn't as accepted as it should be. Maybe I'm no expert, but some of my best friends are gay, I worked at a specifically gay radio station, I lived in the gay village... I have stories about their hardships that you would likely not even believe.

One my oldest friends is gay. Before he ever let it be known (though people all assumed), he was terrorized by other guys in our highschool. They made his life absolute hell. It damaged him to the point that he became physically ill and left school for a year. He couldn't face it, or handle it. When he came back, he was a different person. He felt like he had to change himself in order to stop the attacks.

It's taken a long time for him to be ok, and he had it easier than some others.

All I'm saying is that you don't understand what Tyler had to deal with. You don't know what went through his head. So while suicide is horrible and affects so many people, and is a waste.... he felt it was his only option. Do you know what that feels like, those of you who want to call him a coward or look down on him?
I was waiting for you (or SJ) to chime in about this..... I bet that you guys have def. heard some nasty, nasty stories.

Glad that your friend pulled though.
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I was waiting for you (or SJ) to chime in about this..... I bet that you guys have def. heard some nasty, nasty stories.

Glad that your friend pulled though.
He's still never quit been himself again. It's strange, like he had to play up stereotypes.
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Not to bring this up again, but I just wanted to post this video. It's a PSA for the "It Gets Better" campaign - this is my friend Shaun. In the gay community (and out of it, as a representative of the gay community), he's a celebrity. Ex radio host, TV host, speaker, writer, etc, etc...The man is a success is so many ways, and his story will hopefully prove to young members of the community that it really does get better.

While I'm not gay, this still speaks to me as someone who was bullied when she was young. This is the kinda thing that might give people hope, to know it won't always be that way.

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