Will the human race survive the next 200 years?
Old 10-09-2008, 03:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stephen Hawking thinks we're going to have a tough time surviving the next 2 centuries, and if we did, we'd have to start looking at leaving our planet. How long do you think humans will survive?

I don't know about you, but if we're going to have serious issues hacking out the next 200 years, I worry for my children and grandchildren.

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Professor Stephen Hawking, one of the world's great scientists, is looking to the stars to save the human race -- but pessimism is overriding his natural optimism.
Hawking, in an exclusive CNN interview, said that if humans can survive the next 200 years and learn to live in space, then our future will be bright.

"I believe that the long-term future of the human race must be in space," said Hawking, who is almost completely paralyzed by the illness ALS.
"It will be difficult enough to avoid disaster on planet Earth in the next 100 years, let alone next thousand, or million. The human race shouldn't have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet. Let's hope we can avoid dropping the basket until we have spread the load."

"I see great dangers for the human race. There have been a number of times in the past when its survival has been a question of touch and go. The Cuban missile crisis in 1963 was one of these."

"The frequency of such occasions is likely to increase in the future. We shall need great care and judgment to negotiate them all successfully.
"But I'm an optimist. If we can avoid disaster for the next two centuries, our species should be safe, as we spread into space." - Source

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Old 10-09-2008, 03:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He's correct, living in space is the future for mankind. In 200 years the population will be too big, the resources and food too low, etc., for us to still be here.
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the future of mankind in hinging on the application of alternative fuels and energy sources, if that continues down its present course the population of earth will distroy itself in war over the remainings stores of oils.

This is going to happen long before polution or anything else has its way.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i guess the only question to ask is whether the war against machines will happen on earth or in space.
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think by 200 years from now technology will find a way to get alternative energy and thus save us from the pollution problem. Solar, nuclear, whatever.

The growing population and food/fresh water is real the problem IMO.
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I bet the Americans are gonna go to Mars and claim it to be theirs like the ******s they are and put up rent to other countries to live there
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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no way! everyone else will just go there kill them and let the remaining few live tax free!
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Time to start culling the herd. Shall we do it by country? Or income? or I.Q.??

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Old 10-09-2008, 07:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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the future of mankind in hinging on the application of alternative fuels and energy sources, if that continues down its present course the population of earth will distroy itself in war over the remainings stores of oils.

This is going to happen long before polution or anything else has its way.
at some point, despite the reality of being indoctrinated into the warped value system that is western culture, people will realize that eating and breathing and drinking shit not only kills you, but makes life harder than it actually is.
i think the coming "war" will be over what it's always been over, a right to life, and all of the things required to sustain it. all other wars have been sustained to serve the power of the dominant classes.

human beings will continue on, it simply depends on their way of living. those of us who think we can escape into space when we've spent the last three centuries destroying our home are living in a dream world and need to get their heads out of their asses.

instead of turning our backs on the very thing that gives us life, we should devote our efforts to end the inter-generational tyranny of environmental degradation, and holocausts.
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Humans... maybe. Civilization... not likely.
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Old 10-10-2008, 12:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, what's the actual population growth?

I don't have facts here, but the way I see it... I don't think we'll ever over populate this planet. There's so much more land out here that we haven't occupied.

And even if we say that the birth rate is significantly higher than the death rate... who's to say that humanity would even survive far into that point in time where we're creeping into reaching maximum capacity here on Earth. As Hawking said himself... there's the disasters too. Personally think we should be more worried about that.


p.s. how do we know that earth isn't just always repopulating every so years? it's possible that years ago a major disaster killed and destroyed everything here and we started right back from the beginning. this whole thing could be a constant cycle.
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much of the land on this earth could not sustain the kind of lifestyle we currently enjoy, or in other words civilization.
our current population growth is a serious problem because it's based on an agricultural system that is meant to produce food surpluses. thus the need to be consistently transforming forests into fields, deserts into fields.
the ocean's have been emptied, and more humans means more stress on the systems we rely upon to sustain our numbers. i lived in botswana for a while and what you see going on there is a microcosm to the actual problems we're seeing right now on a global scale.
cities require colonies to produce their food, clothings, energy, colonies of humans and nonhumans. the cities in turn turn these items in non-renewable resources, waste, garbage, pollution. with 90% of the world's population confined to city living, we've already overtaxed the planet to the point of near collapse because of our 24/7 mode of consumption and taker economy.
no land is unoccupied. most people lack the skill to be able to sustain themselves in any environment outside of a city which means that very soon those lacking this knowledge will become obsolete.
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Yep, by not being able to support the population in 200 years, it's not so much the land mass for them to actually live on, but rather the food and water, especially the first one because it gets hit in two ways, not only is there more people eating and needing it, but the more infrastructure and expanding civilization to house these people there is, the less room there is to grow it. We're having food shortages now, imagine what will happen when the population is like 50 billion? (I don't know the predicted stats for 200 years from now, but I'm guessing it's huge)

I think the people itself will be able to fit on the earth, by building vertically instead of horizontally, that's how the Japanese have made having a fuckton of people living on a tiny island work for them. Also if they truly ran out of land, I'm sure they could just start putting buildings on the water or even in the sky.
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Also bear in mind that 200 years is much longer than most people think it is. Look at where we were only 50 years ago. Compare that to where we were 100 years ago and then compare that to where we stood 200 years ago.

Mankind has had accelerated technological growth in the last 50 years. With environmental problems compounding at an alarming rate, we still may not churn out the technology fast enough to save ourselves from the mess we've created. Global warming may become a self-sustaining monster.

It'd be a significant tragedy if everything fell apart in the next 200 years, after everything we've achieved. Stephen Hawking once said that "We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special."

I agree.

The next 50 years should be spent not only researching health benefits for ourselves, but also immediate solutions to the health of our planet.
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I find it funny that the dinosaurs ruled the earth for like 165 million years, and we're gonna be around for what... 200,000? And in terms of "ruling the earth" and having civilizations over living the same way gorillas do, something like 10,000 to 6,000 years. We have NOTHING on the dinosaurs.
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much of the land on this earth could not sustain the kind of lifestyle we currently enjoy, or in other words civilization.
our current population growth is a serious problem because it's based on an agricultural system that is meant to produce food surpluses. thus the need to be consistently transforming forests into fields, deserts into fields.
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no land is unoccupied. most people lack the skill to be able to sustain themselves in any environment outside of a city which means that very soon those lacking this knowledge will become obsolete.
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Couldnt agree more, the most fundamental things that every human should now is now being forgotten, or bread out of them. You watch survivor on tv and that is a prime example, people cant even start a fire or build shelters, if they do everyone patting them on the back like they just did something great.

The other problem is that society doesnt want to reuse anything, most buy a new car every 4 or 5 years, buy new clothes and discard the old, waste food(HATE THAT ONE). We have become a disposable society, nothing is built to last anymore.
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Couldnt agree more, the most fundamental things that every human should now is now being forgotten, or bread out of them. You watch survivor on tv and that is a prime example, people cant even start a fire or build shelters, if they do everyone patting them on the back like they just did something great.

The other problem is that society doesnt want to reuse anything, most buy a new car every 4 or 5 years, buy new clothes and discard the old, waste food(HATE THAT ONE). We have become a disposable society, nothing is built to last anymore.
one of the best quotes I've ever heard about capitalism is that the moment it achieves a cosmic balance, it ends. I think ideology is a big problem here. Fifty years ago people were debating whether or not the dominant economic system would be capitalism or communism. since then capitalism has woven itself into the imagination of the masses to the point that it's become much simpler for them to imagine a complete ecological collapse of the planet than a more modest shift in capitalism.

you're right. i was on a walk yesterday with my dog by the river by my house and bumped into a stranger and we got to talking about this, and she started pointing out to me the names and possible uses of about a dozen plants just in the area we were standing in. 3 of which were edible, with the cat tail being a plant you could eat at any time throughout the year. (it tastes like celery).

all of this knowledge should be the first thing children learn. when i was in botswana, living with the san there, one of the kids took me out into the desert to find some roots that would help the migrane i'd been having. he was six and he knew the names and uses of over 1,300 plants which is pretty easy for kids to remember because of the way their minds are like sponges early on in life. we found the root, ground it up, made a tea with it and i was fine in 20 minutes. living this way comes with a different sort of risks but that's why humans live in communities, albeit smaller and more liquid ones. finding food, or growing it on a smaller scale, means more time for leisurely activities, artistic pursuits, philosophical thought, anything really.
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one of the best quotes I've ever heard about capitalism is that the moment it achieves a cosmic balance, it ends. I think ideology is a big problem here. Fifty years ago people were debating whether or not the dominant economic system would be capitalism or communism. since then capitalism has woven itself into the imagination of the masses to the point that it's become much simpler for them to imagine a complete ecological collapse of the planet than a more modest shift in capitalism.

you're right. i was on a walk yesterday with my dog by the river by my house and bumped into a stranger and we got to talking about this, and she started pointing out to me the names and possible uses of about a dozen plants just in the area we were standing in. 3 of which were edible, with the cat tail being a plant you could eat at any time throughout the year. (it tastes like celery).

all of this knowledge should be the first thing children learn. when i was in botswana, living with the san there, one of the kids took me out into the desert to find some roots that would help the migrane i'd been having. he was six and he knew the names and uses of over 1,300 plants which is pretty easy for kids to remember because of the way their minds are like sponges early on in life. we found the root, ground it up, made a tea with it and i was fine in 20 minutes. living this way comes with a different sort of risks but that's why humans live in communities, albeit smaller and more liquid ones. finding food, or growing it on a smaller scale, means more time for leisurely activities, artistic pursuits, philosophical thought, anything really.
Living in that way would allow for a person to expand the mind in terms of thinking outside the box which in turn would probably allow for a way to be discovered to reverse the damage that has already been done. Everything in society is now business driven and everyone is guilty of feeding into that mind set. Who doesnt want the biggest TV, the best looking car, etc.

Until mankind can accept the fact that the only way to "move forward" is to take what society considers a "step back"
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