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jeffb 06-05-2010 12:05 PM

When should teens be charged as adults?
 
Because imo, this is a case that screams being charged as an adult and put in a cell and throw away the key. Pathetic!

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15 Year Old Leader Of Gang Rape Of An 8 Year Old Girl Only Receives Probation

Steven Tuopeh, the 15-year old accussed of leading the gang rape of an 8-year old and plead guilty was sentenced to probation.

Tuopeh was also sent to a secure treatment center for at least a year by Maricopa County Juvenile Court Judge Samuel Thumma for last summer's assault in Phoenix, Arizaona.

The 14 year old at the time Tuopeh was originally charged as an adult but later sent to juvenile court where he pleaded guilty to sexual assault, kidnapping, three counts of sexual conduct with a minor and one count of attempted sexual conduct with a minor.

Unless a judge rules otherwise, he will remain on probation until he is 18. If he had been convicted in adult court, he could have been sentences up to 21 years in prison.

As Hip-Hop Wired previously reported, Phoenix police believe the two 10-year-olds and a 13-and 14-year-old boy lured the girl to a storage shed and raped her on July 16. The case gained national attention after it was reported that the girl's father was ashamed of her and did not want her returned home.
15 Year Old Leader Of Gang Rape Of An 8 Year Old Girl Only Receives Probation Hip-Hop Wired

DVS 06-05-2010 02:46 PM

I think when you are a teen you should know the difference between right and wrong so I'll say yes

Stonezz 06-05-2010 02:48 PM

That's pretty fucked up that dude was probably abused as a child too

Windex 06-05-2010 03:12 PM

there's that 10 year old that shot someone and is being tried as an adult and might get life

dfunkie1 06-05-2010 03:33 PM

thats just stupid. sentencing shouldn't exceed the duration of their life so far. as sick as these events are, neither should be trailed as an adult or imprisoned with them at any point. they're young enough have the rehabilitation system work for them. hopefully people care enough about their jobs to prevent these kids from going to the pen.

Windex 06-05-2010 03:34 PM

I think the max a minor can be sentenced to is up to age 21 in juve

dfunkie1 06-05-2010 03:37 PM

our system is different from the states. in both instances, i believe they'd go to a group home.

jeffb 06-05-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 385924)
I think the max a minor can be sentenced to is up to age 21 in juve

There was a 12yr old kid in the states that murdered a little girl in the 90's and was charged as an adult. He's still in prison and in his late 20's. I believe he got 20-life. Spent the first portion in some kind of juvenille system and was then transferred to adult prison.

Windex 06-05-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 385929)
There was a 12yr old kid in the states that murdered a little girl in the 90's and was charged as an adult. He's still in prison and in his late 20's. I believe he got 20-life. Spent the first portion in some kind of juvenille system and was then transferred to adult prison.

it depends on which state and what the crime was as well, law is a complicated thing

Barracuda 06-05-2010 03:46 PM

Makes me sick....

An EIGHT year old? Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't care how old the kid is, he deserves to be tortured. Gang raped, like he did to that little girl.

Windex 06-05-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barracuda (Post 385937)
Makes me sick....

An EIGHT year old? Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't care how old the kid is, he deserves to be tortured. Gang raped, like he did to that little girl.

who will volunter for that?

dfunkie1 06-05-2010 03:49 PM

what makes me sick is that the father as ashamed of her and did not want her to return home.

jeffb 06-05-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barracuda (Post 385937)
Makes me sick....

An EIGHT year old? Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't care how old the kid is, he deserves to be tortured. Gang raped, like he did to that little girl.

+1

And at 15yrs old he knew what he was doing, and knew how wrong it was. That to me equates an adult sentence. Fuck, at the very least a hell of alot more then what he got.

Barracuda 06-05-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 385939)
who will volunter for that?

Trust me, I could find people.

jeffb 06-05-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 385939)
who will volunter for that?

99% of all adult male prisoners. ;)

Barracuda 06-05-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 385942)
+1

And at 15yrs old he knew what he was doing, and knew how wrong it was. That to me equates an adult sentence. Fuck, at the very least a hell of alot more then what he got.

Completely.

At 15 you know how fucked it is for rape an 8 year old.

Thinking about it makes me sick and angry... Think of how young an 8 year old really is. A 15 year old is in high school... they've learned wrong from right.

dfunkie1 06-05-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 385942)
+1

And at 15yrs old he knew what he was doing, and knew how wrong it was. That to me equates an adult sentence. Fuck, at the very least a hell of alot more then what he got.

he was 14, and 14 year olds don't understand the consequence behind things like this. they might understand that it's wrong, but the severity? i really doubt it.

jeffb 06-05-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 385947)
he was 14, and 14 year olds don't understand the consequence behind things like this. they might understand that it's wrong, but the severity? i really doubt it.

So at 14yrs old you don't think that one knows that raping an 8yr old is illegal and is criminal? Come on, this day and age kids that age know more then most adults half the time. I would say he knew the severity of his actions. IMO rape, murder (knowingly planning, not accidental of course) are crimes that any teenager should get tried as an adult. Depending on the cicumstances.

Example: a 14-15yr old kid goes to school, brings a gun and guns down a fellow student. He knowingly did it, planned it and don't even try and tell he didn't know the severity of those actions.

Barracuda 06-05-2010 03:59 PM

I gotta agree with Jeff on this one.

Windex 06-05-2010 04:00 PM

as a judge you can't let emotion get in the way of the law, thats how it works


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