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js12 08-31-2010 08:54 PM

US ends combat mission in Iraq
 
Obama declares end of Iraq combat mission - *News - MSN CA

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President Barack Obama made it official Tuesday: Operation Iraqi Freedom is over, and the nation’s No. 1 priority is fixing the economy.

“The end of our combat mission in Iraq” comes at “a time of great uncertainty for many Americans,” Obama said in a nationally televised address from the Oval Office of the White House.
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The last full U.S. combat brigade actually left Iraq two weeks ago. But Obama waited to mark the end of the combat mission until Tuesday, the deadline he’d announced in February, and he did it without declaring victory, saying that while Iraq’s security was now in the hands of the Iraqis, the advance had had come “a huge price” for the United States.
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Obama warned that political paralysis and sectarian violence still clouded the country’s future, saying it was important that Iraq’s leaders “move forward with a sense of urgency to form an inclusive government that is just, representative and accountable to the Iraqi people.”
After years of fighting, tens of thousands of casualties, the Americans are going to end their military campaign in Iraq. You have to ask yourself, was everything in Iraq necessary? Did all those people die in vain? What will the future of Iraq?

Yuksek 08-31-2010 09:34 PM

For sure none of it was worth it.

There were no Nukes. There were no terrorist camps (Saddam was pretty damn secular).

Many innocent people. Many young American and British women and men died.

When we look back now, the question that should be asked is why did the invasion happen anyway?

There are many other problems in the world that needed more money and commitment to tackle that went unnoticed.

- North Korea
- Western Pakistani Terrorism
- Economic Crisis
- Global Warming
- Building bridges between communities at home


and many more

Someguy again 08-31-2010 09:37 PM

then there will be a huge shipment of troops to afghanistan, give the taliban hell for a while then pullout in a few years so they taliban can go back to controlling the rural areas for poppy seed production and we all go back to square one.

Yuksek 08-31-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 430043)
then there will be a huge shipment of troops to afghanistan, give the taliban hell for a while then pullout in a few years so they taliban can go back to controlling the rural areas for poppy seed production and we all go back to square one.

I disagree completely. Afghanistan was a country in disaster well before the 70's. They lacked a real governing body for over 30 years before the Taliban came to power. At that moment, no other opposing force was being supported strongly by anyone and the issue was neglected.

There are pockets of the Taliban left but they have been reduced in size incredibly. They will only suffer even more as they have no safe havens anymore.

CommunistCrunch 08-31-2010 10:04 PM

They got what they're looking for, corporate profits, lots of it. Also US has a little more control over the oil flow the Gulf. Although that is also mainly for corporate interests, since the States doesn't import all that much oil from the Gulf.

Bill Haverchuck 08-31-2010 10:50 PM


dfunkie1 08-31-2010 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 430043)
then there will be a huge shipment of troops to afghanistan, give the taliban hell for a while then pullout in a few years so they taliban can go back to controlling the rural areas for poppy seed production and we all go back to square one.

the taliban only started dealing with poppies to fund their cause against 'the infidels'. they're actually against the use and distribution of opium. unfortunately, saying 'god willing' means they can be the worlds biggest hypocrites.

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Originally Posted by Yuksek (Post 430050)
I disagree completely. Afghanistan was a country in disaster well before the 70's. They lacked a real governing body for over 30 years before the Taliban came to power. At that moment, no other opposing force was being supported strongly by anyone and the issue was neglected.

There are pockets of the Taliban left but they have been reduced in size incredibly. They will only suffer even more as they have no safe havens anymore.

all taliban are insurgents, but not all insurgents are taliban. the longer theirs occupation in afghanistan, the more people will join the fight against foreign forces/occupation. same goes for iraq. afghan has been fucked since the history of time. it's forever been a passage way and the home of lawless nomads from it's bordering countries. leaving with an able police forces and army in place to take care of their own mess is a good enough time to leave. giving women access to education and rights is pretty swell as well.

Someguy again 09-01-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuksek (Post 430050)
I disagree completely. Afghanistan was a country in disaster well before the 70's. They lacked a real governing body for over 30 years before the Taliban came to power. At that moment, no other opposing force was being supported strongly by anyone and the issue was neglected.

There are pockets of the Taliban left but they have been reduced in size incredibly. They will only suffer even more as they have no safe havens anymore.

But there is a safe haven for insurgents that the US and canadian military cannot attack, and that's Pakistan, insurgents tend to swarm the outskirts of kandahar in numbers during the spring and leave during the winter and this happens every year, the military cant do anything about it because pakistan is untouchable, and it's difficult as hell to control a border that long and that mountainous even with a superior military force because the natives there know the area and they can sneak in through those borders at anytime.

As jackson stated, as long as there is a foreign occupation force in the country there will always be insurgents.

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Originally Posted by js12
You have to ask yourself, was everything in Iraq necessary?

yes. For military munitions corparations which made a killing off the sales of arms because of this war.

Someguy again 09-01-2010 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 430083)
the taliban only started dealing with poppies to fund their cause against 'the infidels'. they're actually against the use and distribution of opium. unfortunately, saying 'god willing' means they can be the worlds biggest hypocrites.

Have you seen the german film "Traffik"? amazing miniseries, long though but it touches on everything with opium trades and how it affects the entire world from pakistan, germany, france and the UK.

dfunkie1 09-01-2010 05:18 PM

there's no denying that they're involved in it. i was just commenting on them controlling the poppy fields when all is said and done. their involvement is strictly related to the funding on munitions. under their law, it's forbidden to do, deal, supply drugs. they're doing it for their cause, and since god hasn't squashed them for it, it's acceptable.


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