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View Poll Results: Given the chance to vote today in the US election, who do you vote for?
Barack Obama 13 68.42%
Mitt Romney 1 5.26%
Intentionally spoiled vote. 5 26.32%
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:03 AM   #121 (permalink)
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I've always believed that it's VERY difficult for any Pres. to make any real change in only 1 term.... It'll be interesting to see what happens in the U.S. over the next 4 years now.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:57 AM   #122 (permalink)
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-favor-obama/

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Old 11-07-2012, 05:04 AM   #123 (permalink)
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So this means that I can take a 25 minute drive to Washington and smoke some weed in front of a cop?
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:10 AM   #124 (permalink)
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So this means that I can take a 25 minute drive to Washington and smoke some weed in front of a cop?
depends where you do it. i assume it means they will have the same laws smoking tobacco has. can't smoke in buildings, parks, etc...

what's the law in BC? I always thought it was legal there
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:40 AM   #125 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:38 AM   #126 (permalink)
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it's mind-boggling to me that a politically weakened liberal black man amidst the backdrop of an uncertain economy and military struggles abroad can win re-election in america. the gop needs to take a long look at what their increasing radicalization on the conservative fringe is doing to their mainstream popularity. there's no way they should get so roundly trounced by the democrats in this kind of situation.

the democrats are going to need a new rising star for 2016 though. it's going to be very tough for a fresh face (or and old one like hilary) to extend democrat control past a 2-term president. if the gop can just come to the middle a bit, and if the economy doesn't improve dramatically, they have a very strong shot in 2016.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:17 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:19 AM   #128 (permalink)
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it's mind-boggling to me that a politically weakened liberal black man amidst the backdrop of an uncertain economy and military struggles abroad can win re-election in america. the gop needs to take a long look at what their increasing radicalization on the conservative fringe is doing to their mainstream popularity. there's no way they should get so roundly trounced by the democrats in this kind of situation.

the democrats are going to need a new rising star for 2016 though. it's going to be very tough for a fresh face (or and old one like hilary) to extend democrat control past a 2-term president. if the gop can just come to the middle a bit, and if the economy doesn't improve dramatically, they have a very strong shot in 2016.
The airheads on CNN were going on and on about this all night. The Tea Party crap has turned a lot of conservatives off. I think Michelle Bachman barely won her seat. I think the bigger problem is is how the fuck is anyone supposed to get anything done. The GOP is still a bunch of old white guys who yearn for a "simpler time" when nonwhites, women, and gays knew their place. White people are a shrinking demographic. I honestly think the Republicans are too stratified and messed up to get their shit together and actually see what's going on in America.
The weakness of the Left has always been its propensity to not imagine a political spectrum without the right. What would that make them? The Right doesn't need the Left in its own ideology. Which is proving to be its undoing right now. More and more people are attractive to Progressive politics and depending on what country you're living in that could be seen as centerist, leftist, moderate etc.
Politicians are Public Servants. The Public isn't something that can or should be understood as a dimension of Partisan ideologies. It's a cluster of difference, not this or that. That country needs a more diverse style of federal politics if its going to fight against this troubling polarization.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:15 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:43 PM   #130 (permalink)
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This election shows me that change has been somewhat cemented. A coalition that never held up in the past, has now done the job twice, and it is a coalition of growing demographics. It was achieved by being able to imagine a political spectrum with people on the right as Cling is suggesting was needed, I think. And that door opened up to them thanks to the Republicans veering to extremes in order to play off of fear of the diversity invoked by the Dem's coalition. They have chosen tactics of voter suppression and expressing fear of the future rather than put forth an acceptable agenda that a real majority could buy into. And it backfired magnificently. It likely helped their opponents more than it helped them. They had this wonderfully crafted divided America that they felt confident in tweaking just right to their advantage, and they had all the money in the world to tweak like mad, and fucking demographics got in the way. And all the lies that make up their tweaks are not going to sound like the truth any time soon. Bush opened people's eyes to all that - for too long lies repeated enough could be accepted as truths, until the consequences arrived, and now the repeating just motivates the other side.

But now that the Dems have won by default, they are going to face the challenge of leading their coalition into a future that doesn't just happen by default. They can't afford that luxury, and the world can't afford putting off too many problems.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:14 PM   #132 (permalink)
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depends where you do it. i assume it means they will have the same laws smoking tobacco has. can't smoke in buildings, parks, etc...

what's the law in BC? I always thought it was legal there
It's not. Same rules as Toronto.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:33 PM   #136 (permalink)
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its kind of true though. plenty of people that voted for Obama want more entitlements. and the white majority is decreasing the country.
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its kind of true though. plenty of people that voted for Obama want more entitlements. and the white majority is decreasing the country.
And a lot of the old white men who voted for Romney are on gov programs, a lot of veterans who often vote republican are also on gov programs. IMO it's almost split in half.
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And a lot of the old white men who voted for Romney are on gov programs, a lot of veterans who often vote republican are also on gov programs. IMO it's almost split in half.
I thought Obama won the veteran vote. many like the fact that he's pulling out of countries and unwilling to start wars because Israel asks for it. Military guys are the biggest support base for Ron Paul. The next president of the U.S.
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He think he did but not by much. My point is i believe that if they say 47% of americans are reliant on government assistance it's probably almost split, maybe a little more identify themselves as Democrats but the margin isn't that great. For these wingnuts to say that they're all Democrats is asinine.

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He think he did but not by much. My point is i believe that if they say 47% of americans are reliant on government assistance it's probably almost split, maybe a little more identify themselves as Democrats but the margin isn't that great. For these wingnuts to say that they're all Democrats is asinine.
Most, if not all, Americans rely on the government for something. Obama voters are more likely to be the ones that want "free" healthcare, stronger unions (more benefits), extended unemployment pay and non citizens benefiting from the same "stuff" citizens get.
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