Is the United States of America imperialist? - Page 2
Old 05-15-2008, 12:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

and benzo u have no right saying what kinda state iraq was in...and it just proved the point that americans have cause more p,roblems then relief....trying to liberate a country deomocratically cause revolt..
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:23 PM   #22 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

You make sense...but you are right and wrong.

I agree %100 on the globalization front, however it is the US driving that Bus.

Sure they have blood on there hands.

more than the Romans?, English?, Spanish?, Ottomans? Phoenicians? when they had there time?

no way.

Mass media has alot to do with this, back in the day countries could get away with whatever they want.

The advent of the Nuke has changed the "superpower" label....cause if you got one...you are one....but in the end the US wins any kind of fight if they so chose. Iraq would be a playground right now, if it wasn't for the "global" consious.
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,066
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
The man gassed his own people.
Doesn't matter how he got the money, look at how he uses it. People have the right to make free choices, in Iraq they did not.

"For the suni's at least"

Could you imagine if that sentance was

"life was prosperous in the Europe, except for the Jews"

or

"life was very prosperous in Canada, but only for the Catholics"

and then I went on to talk about schools being built etc.....

fact is, things were once like that in the USA.....and guess what it took to make things right.

Civil War.

Oh and contrary to popular belief the Civil War was not fought for the rights of men. It turned into that after Lincoln saw it as a political strategy.

Rather, the war was fought over the contentious, and well still is, issue of state rights. Due to the expansion of the United States in uncharted lands, states were attempting to exercise certain powers that were laid out as powers of the fed. gov't. Essentially this is what caused the civil war as an increase in tension led up. It was over what the future economic strucutre will be and how will it be governed. The freeing of slaves was used as a political tactic to gain the favour of slaves against their masters.

Sorry Benzo, don't mean to pick on you but it's just something I wanted to clarify.
Claudius is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

Quote:
more than the Romans?, English?, Spanish?, Ottomans? Phoenicians? when they had there time?
you cant compare modern day to history...when u have the UN and Nato and many international bodies...

in the modern day...the US has more blood on them that any country or terrorist group
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:26 PM   #25 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Claudius View Post
Oh and contrary to popular belief the Civil War was not fought for the rights of men. It turned into that after Lincoln saw it as a political strategy.

Rather, the war was fought over the contentious, and well still is, issue of state rights. Due to the expansion of the United States in uncharted lands, states were attempting to exercise certain powers that were laid out as powers of the fed. gov't. Essentially this is what caused the civil war as an increase in tension led up. It was over what the future economic strucutre will be and how will it be governed. The freeing of slaves was used as a political tactic to gain the favour of slaves against their masters.

Sorry Benzo, don't mean to pick on you but it's just something I wanted to clarify.

I don't believe I ever said why it was fought.....and I don't believe the one in Iraq will be fought for any great cause...but the end will justify the means.
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

spoken like a true american...the ends will justify the means...it doesnt matter if we ruin a million lives in the process...
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:27 PM   #27 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,066
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
You make sense...but you are right and wrong.

I agree %100 on the globalization front, however it is the US driving that Bus.

Sure they have blood on there hands.

more than the Romans?, English?, Spanish?, Ottomans? Phoenicians? when they had there time?

no way.

Mass media has alot to do with this, back in the day countries could get away with whatever they want.

The advent of the Nuke has changed the "superpower" label....cause if you got one...you are one....but in the end the US wins any kind of fight if they so chose. Iraq would be a playground right now, if it wasn't for the "global" consious.
I would say it's too early to judge to be honest. We can look at those civilizations because we are removed from them. If we speak in relative terms then possibly and I stress possibly, it COULD be as much or less or god knows.

And I don't think it's US led globalization any longer. I think it was, but with recent date I've begun to criticize that notion more. In fact I believe it is a movement more dictated by the Asian Tigers.
Claudius is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:28 PM   #28 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJayW View Post
you cant compare modern day to history...when u have the UN and Nato and many international bodies...

in the modern day...the US has more blood on them that any country or terrorist group
Of course you can.....you must....and that is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

Genocide around the world, and we bicker at the Americans.
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:28 PM   #29 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,066
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
I don't believe I ever said why it was fought.....and I don't believe the one in Iraq will be fought for any great cause...but the end will justify the means.
Oh no, hence my little addendum. It was more of a anecdote.
Claudius is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:29 PM   #30 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,066
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJayW View Post
you cant compare modern day to history...when u have the UN and Nato and many international bodies...

in the modern day...the US has more blood on them that any country or terrorist group
This you will have to prove emprically.
Claudius is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:29 PM   #31 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,066
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
Of course you can.....you must....and that is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

Genocide around the world, and we bicker at the Americans.
We bicker because of their principles or what they say to believe in (i.e. freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). There seems to be some confusion as to what those principles mean.
Claudius is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJayW View Post
spoken like a true american...the ends will justify the means...it doesnt matter if we ruin a million lives in the process...
Yes in these matters the ends do justify the means, just imagine for a second that America, did not have a global consious and the power was in the hands of a counrty like Iran.

No thank you..
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:30 PM   #33 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Claudius View Post
We bicker because of their principles or what they say to believe in (i.e. freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). There seems to be some confusion as to what those principles mean.
C they do stand for those things though....think of what the US "could" do.
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

Iraq, Afghanistan,


Iraq
- to gather oil and be ahead in the global market
- remove saddam hussein and place thier own government that will be highly american infleunced to bring in thier own oil companies, exxon

Afghanistan
- remove Bin Laden why cause he wwas an opressor, no because he was CIA trained and new american weaknesses, and because they wanted taliban outta power so when exxon goes into iraq they can build a pipeline going across afghanistan
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:36 PM   #35 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

United States is controlled by corporate america not by values...
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:38 PM   #36 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJayW View Post
Iraq, Afghanistan,


Iraq
- to gather oil and be ahead in the global market
- remove saddam hussein and place thier own government that will be highly american infleunced to bring in thier own oil companies, exxon

Afghanistan
- remove Bin Laden why cause he wwas an opressor, no because he was CIA trained and new american weaknesses, and because they wanted taliban outta power so when exxon goes into iraq they can build a pipeline going across afghanistan
I agree totally that was some of the reasons for going into Iraq.

Afghanistan you could not be more wrong. The Taliban needed to be removed, and yes I can tell you why. Plus it is not just the Americans in Afghanistan....last time I checked there was a rather "peace keeping" country doing most of the work.

and the conspiracy theroy is all well and good....but you seem to forget 9/11
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:41 PM   #37 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

lol listhen...when you have to bring up 9/11 to support your points its just as ignorant as the rest of the united states...there is not even any solid evidence and i mean SOLID evidence that it was even afghani's...

America went into afghanistan based on a different agenda....9/11 was just the boost they needed to go in..why to control oil in those regioins and building pipelines to reach pakistan and get shipped out to the rest of the world....
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:42 PM   #38 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:43 PM   #39 (permalink)
dollar dollar bills yall

Member
 
JayJayW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 416
Representing:
Default

it doesnt open to anything just the main page
JayJayW is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2008, 12:44 PM   #40 (permalink)
hibernating

Retired Administrator

 
Benzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,291
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JayJayW View Post
lol listhen...when you have to bring up 9/11 to support your points its just as ignorant as the rest of the united states...there is not even any solid evidence and i mean SOLID evidence that it was even afghani's...

America went into afghanistan based on a different agenda....9/11 was just the boost they needed to go in..why to control oil in those regioins and building pipelines to reach pakistan and get shipped out to the rest of the world....
The Taliban was an abusive, power.

aand you are right it wasn't Afghani's it was terrorist who were supported by the Afghani government...good enough for me.
Benzo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Who needs America when we have the world? Ping Toronto Raptors 24 08-07-2009 03:30 AM
Raptors = United Nations :P Shack Toronto Raptors 29 07-04-2009 04:21 PM
Chris Bosh states that he will not return to the Raptors after his contract is done DSWC Toronto Raptors 11 04-01-2009 05:34 PM
America Rules, England Sucks Belsius Entertainment Lounge 7 07-05-2008 11:30 AM
MLSE Looking To Acquire Leeds United Dr. J. Naismith Other Sports 2 05-27-2008 10:58 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24