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In a way, in the downtown core i hope you're right to a degree. They seriously need to make changes to public transit here, LRT, GO Train, Subway is great, but streetcars still suck imo. What can i say, i'm also stuborn. I stay away from downtown as much as possible, the congestion with cars, buses, streetcars, cyclists, getting cut off... it drives me nuts.
if you don't like having to wait for people to move en masse, i suggest that living in the 4th largest city in north america might not be the best idea.
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if you don't like having to wait for people to move en masse, i suggest that living in the 4th largest city in north america might not be the best idea.
Nope, living in the downtown core isn't the best idea. Which is why i don't.
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in this city, very doable. the streets are plowed and we don't get much snow for a big portion of the winter. sure, there are days you can't cycle, but much of the time it's fine.
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There has been an incredible increase in the number of cyclists over the last few years. And I strongly suspect that could easily increase dramatically yet. Policies aimed at drivers at the cost of cyclists and TTC users is not going to net any advances for drivers, because it's going to put a lot more drivers on the road.

Car insurance rates are enough for me to question the sanity of ever buying another car. The zip car sort of idea is brilliant and growing like crazy. There is going to have to be a big shift in how we all live at some point, and this city can either be ahead of the curve, or stuck way in the past.
I'm with you on the car buying thing. It's crazy. I looked into buying one recently and did the math and I can't find a way to make it a good idea. I don't think my situation is all that unique either.

It isn't financially close to a good idea (or really a time saver) for me to drive to work because I am downtown. Although the subway makes for some uncomfortable rides, it is faster. Parking costs are crazy downtown so it is much cheaper to get a metropass.

After work, I may need to go somewhere but even budgeting $20 for 365 day of the year and adding on some car rentals for the occasional weekend drive away it was STILL cheaper than the costs of parking, gas, insurance, depreciation on the car and maintenance.

Streetcars are insane, they will only be tolerable if they put them in the right hand lane. You can't stop traffic in both lanes for those things.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1729126/

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If forced to choose between George Smitherman and Rob Ford in a two-horse race, Torontonians would choose the former deputy premier, a new poll suggests.

The Global News Ipsos-Reid poll indicates Mr. Ford, previously the runaway frontrunner in Toronto’s mayoral race and still first among the top five candidates, may be losing some of his lead even as he prepares to roll out one of the more significant planks of his tough-on-spending platform.

A survey of 400 Toronto voters released Monday evening found Rob Ford leading with 28 per cent, compared with 23 per cent for his closest rival George Smitherman and 10 per cent for third-place candidate Joe Pantalone. Sarah Thomson and Rocco Rossi were tied, with seven per cent of respondents.

Significantly, this latest Ipsos-Reid poll indicates that if it was just down to the former deputy premier and the grandiloquent Etobicoke councillor, Mr. Smitherman would win – 48 per cent of respondents said they’d vote for him, compared with 45 per cent who said they’d vote for Mr. Ford if the Oct. 25 election were held today.

This poll comes less than two weeks after a previous Nanos poll, done for The Globe and Mail, CTV and CP24, gave Mr. Ford a commanding lead over his rival – more than lapping Mr. Smitherman among all voters and garnering 45 per cent among those who’ve already made up their minds.

This latest Ipsos-Reid poll also gives Mr. Smitherman the lead downtown – an edge he’d lost in the last poll, which indicated Mr. Ford would win by a comfortable margin even in Toronto’s urban core.

The new results suggest pile-on efforts by other candidates in an “anyone but Ford” campaign attempting to staunch Mr. Ford’s runaway success may be having their desired effect.

All four other candidates have poised themselves in opposition to Mr. Ford, with Mr. Smitherman making a point of contrasting their platforms.

But the poll also indicates those who like Mr. Ford, like him a lot: While 39 per cent of all those polled said they’re sure of their choice, 53 per cent of Mr. Ford’s supporters are firm in their voting convictions.

Numerous pundits have noted that, popularity aside, voting day can be a mug’s game because of a municipal election’s abysmally low voter turnout: Less than 40 per cent of Torontonians bothered to cast a ballot in 2006.

That apathy may give Mr. Smitherman an edge, according to these numbers: He’s neck-and-neck with Mr. Ford among respondents who said they’re “absolutely certain” they’ll vote, with 30 per cent and 29 per cent of that vote, respectively.

The poll, conducted by phone Sept. 24-26, is accurate within 4.9 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
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Now, if only Pantalone's supporters switched to Smitherman.
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Sarah Thompson is dropping out of the race. She tells her supporters to back George Smitherman.

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As the mayoral candidate drove to yet another debate, Ryan Kelly, one of her volunteers, asked from the passenger seat: “What would be best for Toronto?”

At that moment, Thomson says, she knew her eight-month campaign to become Toronto’s mayor was dead, and that she was about to start stumping for George Smitherman — the former Ontario health minister she had repeatedly said can’t be trusted with a budget.

“I just realized, this is crazy — Toronto needs me to do this,” said Thomson, mincing no words in saying she believes Rob Ford, the frontrunner according to polls, would “rip apart” Toronto with reckless cuts while Smitherman, in second place, has the best chance of stopping him.

It was a Nanos Research poll released Sept. 19, Thomson says, that convinced her that she and rivals Smitherman, Rocco Rossi and Joe Pantalone had to talk about halting the Ford juggernaut. Ford had a 24-point lead over Smitherman while Thomson was dead last at 6.4 per cent support.
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Now, if only Pantalone's supporters switched to Smitherman.
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Rob Ford is nothing if not ambitious. If elected mayor, he would do the following: cut taxes, slash spending, eliminate the city’s annual budget shortfall, cut its debt load in half, rebuild its rainy-day fund, keep property-tax hikes within the inflation rate, hire 100 more police officers and still have millions left over for things like better child care and helping the disabled. What is more – and here’s the really amazing thing – he would do all of this without cutting any of the city services that Torontonians depend on.
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Just reaching his cost-cutting targets would be a miracle. Mr. Ford says he can cut $2.8-billion in four years as mayor, a staggering number for a city with a growing population and rising demand for services.

About $1-billion of the Ford cuts would come from attrition. Mr. Ford would replace only half of the workers who retire or leave government service every year. That would be tough, given that many city workers, like police and firefighters, must be replaced by law to ensure public safety. But let’s assume for a moment it can be done.

The real problem for Mr. Ford would be finding the other $1.8-billion of his $2.8-billion. He says the secret of doing this is to Reduce the Cost of Government, item 15 on his 22-point financial impact statement. Through “efficiency reductions,” he would cut spending by 2.5 per cent in the first year, 2 per cent in the second and 1.5 per cent in the third.

But pressed for an example of the efficiencies he would achieve or wasteful practices he would end, he could not name even one. “We’ve just got to tighten our belt up,” he said, then lapsed into one of his standard sound bites: “It’s time to stop the parties with your dollars at city hall.”

The usual way to realize efficiencies is to do the same things with fewer people. The trouble is that Mr. Ford would already be getting rid of thousands of workers through attrition. He has ruled out layoffs and hiring freezes, although he would contract out some services like garbage collection. So how do you cut $1.8-billion without cutting staff, the lion’s share of any budget?

Halving the number of city councillors to 22 – one of the central planks in his rickety platform – would save the city about $9-million over four years, an amount equal to one one-thousandth of the city’s annual spending.

Mr. Ford promises to save another $320-million over four years by ending the city’s Fair Wage policy, which seeks to prevent contractors from undercutting unionized trades people. But that would take time, if it’s even doable, so Mr. Ford’s plan is wrong to count on immediate savings. It’s even more of a reach for him to expect $366-million from a more open tendering of contracts, given that the bulk of city contracts are already awarded through competitive bidding.

Yet Mr. Ford is so confident of success that he is already allocating all the extra money he says the city would have under his plan. Even after taking a $750-million bite out of the city’s tax revenue by getting rid of the land-transfer and vehicle-registration taxes, he predicts a whopping operating surplus of $1.67-billion over four years. Of that, he would spend $833-million on paying down debt, $416-million on rebuilding the city’s reserves in case of emergencies and another $416-million o
Ford's fiscal plan playing voters for fools - The Globe and Mail

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Ambitious boy. I'd take him over a guy who blown a billion bucks on e-health and doesn't take the rap for it and is a little snake with his politics.
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i wasn't aware that there are only 2 candidates now dvs. and i continue to be amazed that people want to vote for a guy who's campaign that puts fiscal accountability front and centre is a fabricated pipe dream and a fiscal impossibility.
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i wasn't aware that there are only 2 candidates now dvs. and i continue to be amazed that people want to vote for a guy who's campaign that puts fiscal accountability front and centre is a fabricated pipe dream and a fiscal impossibility.
Well their are only 2 candidates that really have any chance of winning. Joey Pants = no chance, Rossi = no chance. Maybe the unthinkable wil happen and Rossi comes close or heck even wins it.

As for a "fabricated pipe dream" every politician lies and has false hope. I just prefer the mentality of one named Rob Ford.

Case in point. Mayor Miller was suppose to have a good bye dinner which was canceled because they only sold 14 tickets. When they interviewed the 14 people who purchased the ticket 10 of them thought they were pitching in to have Miller obtain a one way ticket out of town.
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if your platform is fiscal accountability, shouldn't you perhaps show some actual fiscal accountability in terms of your vision?
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if your platform is fiscal accountability, shouldn't you perhaps show some actual fiscal accountability in terms of your vision?
In his eyes he has. If you were responsible for blowing one billion dollars of the country Health Care money shouldn't you just admit it.
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My take on Ford:

- He's against immigration. I'm sorry, but to blatantly be against immigration just doesn't fit right in this city. Toronto is defined by its diversity, yet Ford takes a shot at immigrants when it isn't even a municipal issue.
- His views on homelessness in Toronto are ridiculous. In a mayoral debate, shown on cp24, Ford mentioned getting people off the streets because it effects tourism. I was shocked. Yet, a month later I hear about this man leading the polls. Ridiculous.

- Ford's whole 'subway' idea is absurd. He wants to help us taxpayers out when he doesn't even got his stats right.
...Of course, you can argue otherwise. Maybe Rob is a man of his word and he'll magically find a way to fund all of this. Even then, I wouldn't vote for him. His right-wing views disgust me. I personally feel that Ford's a racist who's just WAY too old-fashioned for the status quo.
The other candidates aren't phenomenal, but to vote for a man who believes homeless people affect tourism and should be taken off the streets... come on.

His views on homlessness alone should be an eye-opener to all Torontonians.
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Toronto Councillor Rob Ford Makes Racist Comments Against Asians | Linchpin - website of Ontario anarchist organization Common Cause



The first linke confirms he's a racist.
The second link confirms his lack of care for the homeless.

Fuck his whole financial agenda that, for some odd reason impresses everyone. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE, this man is rutheless and wrong.


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Fact: Ford was pulled over for drinking and driving.

GOOGLE ALL OF IT FOLKS.
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My take on Ford:

- He's against immigration. I'm sorry, but to blatantly be against immigration just doesn't fit right in this city. Toronto is defined by its diversity, yet Ford takes a shot at immigrants when it isn't even a municipal issue.
He said he didn't want anymore immigrants in Toronto and that the city should first take care of all the people here now. It really makes sense if you step back and look at it. Toronto has become an economic toilet and ideas outside the box should be address. Besides a mayor doesn't have the power to do such things
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- His views on homelessness in Toronto are ridiculous. In a mayoral debate, shown on cp24, Ford mentioned getting people off the streets because it effects tourism. I was shocked. Yet, a month later I hear about this man leading the polls. Ridiculous.
Ford doesn't want to see a homeless shelter in each ward. Personally I'm with him and I bet the people in Forest hill, Downsview, Willowdale, and Etobicoke are with him as well.


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- Ford's whole 'subway' idea is absurd. He wants to help us taxpayers out when he doesn't even got his stats right.
...Of course, you can argue otherwise. Maybe Rob is a man of his word and he'll magically find a way to fund all of this. Even then, I wouldn't vote for him. His right-wing views disgust me. I personally feel that Ford's a racist who's just WAY too old-fashioned for the status quo.
The other candidates aren't phenomenal, but to vote for a man who believes homeless people affect tourism and should be taken off the streets... come on.

His views on homlessness alone should be an eye-opener to all Torontonians.
To close the loop on the subway route is a fabulous idea. Scarb and Downsview will finally be brought into the subway loop correctly. He can't do it unless the feds and provincial gov't help him but its a hell of an idea. Street cars do blow for several reasons .. come on (althought I would keep the exhisting ones there.

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Toronto Councillor Rob Ford Makes Racist Comments Against Asians | Linchpin - website of Ontario anarchist organization Common Cause

I wouldn't say "work like dogs" but if you want to call them oriental, asians, japanese, korean or from whatever place in China then they are fine workers. I wouldn't hold anything against a partical race and ford apologised for this
YouTube - Rob Ford's Compassion for the Homeless


The first linke confirms he's a racist.
The second link confirms his lack of care for the homeless.

Fuck his whole financial agenda that, for some odd reason impresses everyone. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE, this man is rutheless and wrong.


On another note...

Fact: Ford was pulled over for drinking and driving.

GOOGLE ALL OF IT FOLKS.
He displayes his problems you dont' have to hammer it out for him but these posts are not debate its just displaying your hate for a particular stance which is fine. You made it and its really just pure redicule something Left wingers have been doing to Ford in this election which is also fine. Last time I checked hate for someone and dirty politics is allowed.

My eyes are open. I don't wanna be taxed to death and I dont' want a nanny state. I really hate street cars and I'd love for small business to be helped in this election which no one but ford is doing. THats my eyes so deal with that

Good for ford trying to be a forgiving person.
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He said he didn't want anymore immigrants in Toronto and that the city should first take care of all the people here now. It really makes sense if you step back and look at it. Toronto has become an economic toilet and ideas outside the box should be address. Besides a mayor doesn't have the power to do such things
this city was built on immigration, and our economy is still dependant on that workforce. this point makes no sense at all. no idea what you are trying to say here. the 'economic toilet' we have become (if indeed we have) has very little to do with immigration and everything to do with the entitlements of our long established population.


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Ford doesn't want to see a homeless shelter in each ward. Personally I'm with him and I bet the people in Forest hill, Downsview, Willowdale, and Etobicoke are with him as well.
the rich shouldn't be able to 'cleanse' their neighbourhoods of poverty and things they don't like to see. our city works best when it is inclusive, not when it creates ghettos. hes nothing but a snob.


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To close the loop on the subway route is a fabulous idea. Scarb and Downsview will finally be brought into the subway loop correctly. He can't do it unless the feds and provincial gov't help him but its a hell of an idea. Street cars do blow for several reasons .. come on (althought I would keep the exhisting ones there.
it's not his idea. we've been over this before. every mayoral candidate going back forever has wanted to extend the subway. most are just smart enough to know that it is completely unaffordable, so they're platform isn't built on the absolute lie that they can get it done.

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He displayes his problems you dont' have to hammer it out for him but these posts are not debate its just displaying your hate for a particular stance which is fine. You made it and its really just pure redicule something Left wingers have been doing to Ford in this election which is also fine. Last time I checked hate for someone and dirty politics is allowed.
this is just nonsense. any ridicule he receives is ridicule that he has brought upon himself. there is good reason that he is loathed by much of council, and it isn't because he has 'exposed' their spending. it's because he plays nothing but dirty politics, that he is exceptionally unprofessional in council, and that he has no value as a leader.

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My eyes are open.
if your eyes were really open, you wouldn't constantly ignore how impossible his promises are. he is promising things he cannot possibly deliver. not even close. and you have taken it hook, line and sinker, purely because he's a loudmouth. it's remarkable to me that you can take in those complete economic falsehoods and go on to say that your eyes are open.
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if your eyes were really open, you wouldn't constantly ignore how impossible his promises are. he is promising things he cannot possibly deliver. not even close. and you have taken it hook, line and sinker, purely because he's a loudmouth. it's remarkable to me that you can take in those complete economic falsehoods and go on to say that your eyes are open.
Exactly, he's only saying what people want to hear. Typical politician, only this one is a racist, ignorant moron. Look at a few weeks ago when the Marathon happened, people complained about the traffic problems...the next day he comes up with some cockamamie idea of having the marathoners run in parks. What a bullshiter!
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