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Old 09-26-2010, 11:10 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:38 AM   #122 (permalink)
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That's basically what it seems to be about, and the implication does get people riled up nicely. I just need a bit more than finger pointing.
ford has a long history of cracking down on "wasteful" spending. the others do not. he also has a history as coming off as ignorant. most people dont care about the latter when their being told that managing their money "properly" will be a priority. you may not trust him, but which candidate can you really trust?

all i see with the other candidates is more money leaving my pockets. they all have a pro-build agenda without a way of funding it with existing, taking even more money from toronto's residents. the services we already pay for are not great. they want to take even more money from us and invest it only in a couple of select areas in the city. toronto does need to be greater and more modern but if the existing taxpayers of the city cant afford to live in it then thats simply bullshit.
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:46 AM   #123 (permalink)
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all i see with the other candidates is more money leaving my pockets. they all have a pro-build agenda without a way of funding it with existing, taking even more money from toronto's residents.
a pro-build agenda without a reasonable way to fund it is exactly what ford's transportation plan is.
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:54 AM   #124 (permalink)
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a pro-build agenda without a reasonable way to fund it is exactly what ford's transportation plan is.
im sure i wont have to pay a toll on a road i payed to build.
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:57 AM   #125 (permalink)
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no, but you sure as hell will have to pay for the subway extension that he undervalues by a few hundred million.
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Old 09-26-2010, 12:14 PM   #126 (permalink)
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beats paying for developing the waterfront.
but he'll find a way to pay for it. theres no way he's raising taxes.
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Old 09-26-2010, 12:17 PM   #127 (permalink)
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you're willing to elect a guy on the basis of 'he'll find a way to pay for it'? i can imagine that if we are talking about a remarkable sort of politician that inspires and leads people, but for a guy who has no redeeming qualities and is campaigning on a platform of fiscal responsibility, how can 'he'll find a way' be acceptable?
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Old 09-26-2010, 12:23 PM   #128 (permalink)
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its acceptable for me because ive followed this guy as a councilor.
he's real. hes not groomed or coached(very obvious). you may not like what he does but he does what he says.
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Old 09-26-2010, 12:38 PM   #129 (permalink)
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i can't fathom how that would be reason enough for anyone to vote for a mayor when neither the numbers nor the leadership qualities are present. he's actively detested by most of council. how can he possibly lead?
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Old 09-26-2010, 01:36 PM   #130 (permalink)
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he is hated by council because they waste money and he tells the public about it.
thats the sole reason. the city can only hope other councilors embrace him to an extent when he gets elected. he has alot of enemies in city hall because of his whistle-blowing. they're already feeling threatened now that its almost inevitable ford will be in office. this can only mean a more responsible municipal government will develop. as for getting things done. only time will tell. there isnt anyone running right now that will garner immediate respect from city council anyway.

Ford's overall character throughout the years that ive known him is much greater than the select mel lastman type moments in the media. he's the most human candidate. i wish there were better choices for mayor but i think he's the best man running for the needs of my people. people who word hard, not getting the most out of their tax dollars and cant afford to pay more taxes even if it is only a couple hundred dollars more a year. i personally dont mind paying extra for more or enhanced services but i know too many people who cant afford it. there isnt anyone running right now that have addressed the needs of everyone so ford gets my vote.
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Old 09-26-2010, 01:49 PM   #131 (permalink)
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at the expense of everything else.
This is the problem. Why are we as people allowing government to live beyond our means. Its a global economy and if we ever dare to stoop to the over spending the Americans have we are dead in the water. Taxes and monthly bills at all levels of government have been raised(HST, Land Transfer, Hydro) and I really think its just time to clean house. Their is an obvious problem with social servcies and personally I wish it could be started all over with the right people. We are going into an endless vat of spending mainly because of bad economic times and something has to be done. At least Ford has been preaching this as a priority. Sacrifice has to be brought forth and its never done perfectly.


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I consistently vote for the dumbest, most morally repugnant candidate for mayor. I prefer mental shortcomings and an ability to consume an extra large pizza in under 15 minutes. Rob Ford all the way, bitches!

"Intelligence", "Equality", "Professionalism" = liberal, elitist, political rhetoric
I really don't know how to take it but its just a brilliant post and works on so many levels
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Old 09-26-2010, 03:11 PM   #132 (permalink)
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I really don't know how to take it but its just a brilliant post and works on so many levels
Well, at first, I didn't know 100% for sure if bjjs was joking. I also wasn't a 100% sure if Jeff understood that bjjs might be joking. And, to be honest, I'm not 100% sure if you're now joking. Looks like we're both confused..haha
Anyways, I was inspired by bjjs. If you're serious, he deserves the credit.

For the record, both parts of my post were a joke. I do NOT think that only liberals have "intelligence" and "professionalism." I just find that some people view those things as a bad thing and are quick to view anyone who exhibits those qualities, or advocates for those qualities in a candidate, as an elitist liberal. This goes on more-so in the U.S. than Canada, but you still see/hear a fair amount of it Canada, too.
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Old 09-26-2010, 06:03 PM   #133 (permalink)
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I must correct myself in an earlier post. It's not 1000 police he wants to hire, it's 100. That might even be worse. It throws a bone to the cops, and is perhaps all that much more wasteful, not really being enough to have any real net effect. It would depend on just what he has in mind though, so I'll try to sniff that out.
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:08 PM   #134 (permalink)
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he is hated by council because they waste money and he tells the public about it.
thats the sole reason.
this isn't true at all. watch that last video i posted. referring to fellow councilors in in council as weasels and skinks is not gaining you any friends. if you think it's purely because he speaks some kind of fiscal truth you're kidding yourself.
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:14 PM   #135 (permalink)
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This is the problem. Why are we as people allowing government to live beyond our means. Its a global economy and if we ever dare to stoop to the over spending the Americans have we are dead in the water. Taxes and monthly bills at all levels of government have been raised(HST, Land Transfer, Hydro) and I really think its just time to clean house. Their is an obvious problem with social servcies and personally I wish it could be started all over with the right people. We are going into an endless vat of spending mainly because of bad economic times and something has to be done. At least Ford has been preaching this as a priority. Sacrifice has to be brought forth and its never done perfectly.
i'm not suggesting we should spend to infinity, but i am suggesting that ford's priorities are way out of whack. the things that he wants to pay for are inappropriate and leave our city's weakest people in significant trouble, and this isn't worth saving money for.

not sure what you mean by 'an obvious problem with social services'. seeing that i work in social services i am curious what you mean by that, or if you really have any first hand knowledge about what budgets are like in this sector.
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:55 PM   #136 (permalink)
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its acceptable for me because ive followed this guy as a councilor.
he's real. hes not groomed or coached(very obvious). you may not like what he does but he does what he says.
This is easily done as a councilor but as a mayor you actually have to have support for your policies to push them in to action. You need allies in all levels of government. Toronto has some of the strongest unions in the country, if you think for a second that Ford is going to cut spending on their backs your crazy. Ford also wants to reduce the size and spending in city hall, ie expanding wards, dropping councilors, cutting staff and office budgets, ect.. Do you think any councilor would vote for the elimination or downgrading of his/her position or staff? His platform that is gathering so many followers is pipe dream. Being mayor isn't receiving a stamp of approval, it is democratic process.
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So, I'm driving to work this morning and I here Ford was complaining about the Marathon and the traffic hay-em it caused and if he was mayor he'd move such events to parks.

Really? I've never heard Boston or NYC complain because they understand the revenue such an event generates for their city. Add into it, the number of other benefits as well.

Now, I'm not really following the race, but if such a man complains about this because, well, it was inconveniencing his car ride on a Sunday, I feel really, really sorry for the residents of Toronto who will have to sit through his next term.
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Claudius, i personally think this marathon is a joke. It's not even the real "toronto Marathon" for crying out loud. That one is in October.

I think it's fine to have one official marathon per major city in a year. No problem. But more than that? come on.

I was out for a walk yesterday morning and there was this lady that was trying to drive into her building on queens quay (i was right beside the car and a volunteer and i could hear the convo clearly). Her entire building was blocked off and she couldn't access her garage She refused to move her car until the volunteer moved the barricade and let her through. Who could blame her? All she was trying to do was go to her house.

Living downtown has opened my eyes to how many times crucial and important arteries and access points into the core are shut down on weekends. It doesn't happen every weekend, but it seems to happen a HELL of a lot. Seems like every second week something major is shut down because of some event or maintenance. It's maddening to have to put up with that shit when you live right in the middle of it. For a "world class city" it's unnacceptable.
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So, I'm driving to work this morning and I here Ford was complaining about the Marathon and the traffic hay-em it caused and if he was mayor he'd move such events to parks.

Really? I've never heard Boston or NYC complain because they understand the revenue such an event generates for their city. Add into it, the number of other benefits as well.

Now, I'm not really following the race, but if such a man complains about this because, well, it was inconveniencing his car ride on a Sunday, I feel really, really sorry for the residents of Toronto who will have to sit through his next term.
This guy is pathetic. He probably heard people complain all weekend about the marathon and the traffic, so he's now doing the same to garner more votes.
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Old 09-27-2010, 10:14 AM   #140 (permalink)
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The city will be dead if Ford takes over. This guy wants to spend millions on subway extentions, and leaves out the fact that to get rid of/cancel street cars will cost millions in itself. His plan is to use more buses, 2 streetcars can carry the same amount of passengers as 3 buses. Shit will be even more conjested with more buses.
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