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Old 09-25-2010, 02:30 PM   #101 (permalink)
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All the candidates are acting.
Rob Ford is acting the least. He's the only one with the balls to say what really needs to be done. The amount of money wasted in this city is incredible. The city keeps spending. People want more services but they don't want to pay more taxes. That's impossible. A vote for any other candidate is a vote for being more taxed.

Ford does what he says. I've lived in his ward. I've met him a couple times. He's fucking cool. He may come off as a goof to some but thats because he doesnt put on an act. You know what you're getting with Ford.

I loved his comment on immigration. Basically saying we need to take care of ourselves first before we can accept more immigrants. It might be politically incorrect to say something like that but its true. We already have poor infrastructure when it comes to traffic and health care and an influx of people would only make it worse.

He wants to save money from non-essential services and give money to services which really need to be upgraded while lowering taxes. Ford is a fiscal freak. His numbers will work.

If he doesn't get elected this year then Toronto will absolutely need him down the road. If Smitherman gets elected be prepared for a more costly Toronto with little or no improvement for areas outside the downtown core.
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Old 09-25-2010, 02:37 PM   #102 (permalink)
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there are so many falsehoods in that post i don't even know where to start. here are a few:

1. the city cannot control immigration. it's not a city issue, and once immigrants have entered the country they can go where they please. it's a complete non-issue municipally, and is intended to prey upon prejudice and selfishness.

2. many people in the city, myself included, are happy to pay more property tax if it helps to pay for crucial social programs.

3. what is a non-essential service for you? i'm willing to bet it's not the same as, say, someone with a disability or someone living on social assistance.

4. his numbers won't work. it's been proven in his ridiculous transportation plan, and clear in how he overstates current costs and understates his own estimates. this is so obvious at this point in time.

5. he may do what he says, but this is exactly what scares me. i suggest you watch this video. is this a guy who should be running council? he's a bully and completely unprofessional.

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I like fiscal responsibility myself. I think I've seen much much more of that in the past six years than I did in the six years previous to that. Now Ford is talking about more than just making hasty cuts. I haven't heard him tackling the police services budget, which is a huge part of the overall budget. Instead he's going after the stuff that resonates the most, but just doesn't add up to actual fiscal responsibility.

And when you look at the real cost of some of the cuts it all starts to lose some luster. But that's okay - because once the real cost comes into play, with more homeless people on the streets again, supposed savings from privatization of services not quite playing out as planned, and dysfunctional decision-making that makes the whole city divided against itself, he'll be able to always come back to his favorite answer - we just can't afford to do anything differently. It's like the opposite of a vision for this city.
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Old 09-25-2010, 03:20 PM   #104 (permalink)
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there are so many falsehoods in that post i don't even know where to start. here are a few:

1. the city cannot control immigration. it's not a city issue, and once immigrants have entered the country they can go where they please. it's a complete non-issue municipally, and is intended to prey upon prejudice and selfishness.

2. many people in the city, myself included, are happy to pay more property tax if it helps to pay for crucial social programs.

3. what is a non-essential service for you? i'm willing to bet it's not the same as, say, someone with a disability or someone living on social assistance.

4. his numbers won't work. it's been proven in his ridiculous transportation plan, and clear in how he overstates current costs and understates his own estimates. this is so obvious at this point in time.

5. he may do what he says, but this is exactly what scares me. i suggest you watch this video. is this a guy who should be running council? he's a bully and completely unprofessional.

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There's a couple things wrong with your corrections...

1. I know. Ford knew it as well. He just said we can't handle more people. He never said he wanted to keep them out. He knows he can't control immigration. Many people misinterpret that as being prejudice or attempting to fuel prejudice but he runs the most ethnically diverse ward in the city and he's very hands-on with his constituents. Selfish? maybe. If youve ever been to the ER or drove in toronto rush hour traffic you should be able to know why one would say something like that.
2. many of people in this city cant afford to pay more taxes. MANY. I'm confident theres more people that cant than can.
3. non-essential for me, is a service which caters to a small minority of our city's population that doesnt effect their health. Nobody likes cuts but sometimes theyre necessary.
4. His budget hasn't even come out yet. He got the transit numbers wrong. That's true. But to say the numbers wont work isnt fair. You need to see his completed proposed budget plan.
5. I see someone who's passionate about his job although his outburst was very unprofessional. (lol at the councilor in front of him when ford snapped.)
Ford wants to stop people from recklessly spending your hard earned money. That's someone I'd want as mayor. If he has to do things differently than more groomed officials to get things done, I'm all for it.
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`trane and his pro tax agenda, I would like to see him run for office one day





and I would would probably vote for him
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Old 09-25-2010, 03:27 PM   #106 (permalink)
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so why raise the immigration issue at all? i don't mean to suggest that he is racist, but i do mean that he is attempting to stoke that amongst toronto voters.

there are a great many services that are not health-related that are essential to people. transportation is one of them (wheeltrans is a part of this) and community development programs are another. they are drastically underfunded by the city as it is right now. he risks serious damage to the vulnerable people in our city with his cut all "non-essential" costs nonsense. it is extremely difficult to know what constitutes 'essential'.

check out how wrong he has been about a great many numbers besides transit. he's tricking people into thinking he can cut costs when he really can't/ lx explained this very well. it's easy to campaign on fiscal restraint when you make up falsehoods about how you can do it. it's quite another to work with a real budget and all the pressures that a mayor faces.

ford is not the only candidate that wants to limit spending at city hall. he's just the loudest and the one with the most unrealistic expectations about what is possible.
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:06 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Well the guys targeting Ford should stop because it just makes Ford look like a better candidate
There is absolutely nothing about him that makes him the better candidate. He's an immature, ignorant, tempermental turd that would be worse for this city then Mel lastman ever was.

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In 2002, Ford strenuously objected to the possibility that a homeless shelter would open in his suburban Etobicoke ward.[24][25] Later in the same year he was quoted while berating an anti-poverty activist, "Do you have a job, sir? I'll give you a newspaper to find a job, like everyone else has to do between 9 and 5."[26] In 2005, Ford told a homeless protestor, "I'm working. Why don't you get a job?"[27]

In 2006, allegations arose of his conduct at a Toronto Maple Leafs game. Two audience members alleged Ford instigated a shouting match.[28] Security at the Air Canada Centre later ejected Ford from the venue. Initially, Ford denied involvement, claiming mistaken identity. The following day, Ford confirmed the allegations and announced his apology to the couple.[29] He cited "personal problems" as a reason for his behaviour.

Further controversy erupted in a Toronto City Council session when Ford argued against the city spending $1.5 million on AIDS prevention programs. Ford stated that "(AIDS) is very preventable," and that "if you are not doing needles and you are not gay, you wouldn't get AIDS probably, that's bottom line."[30] With respect to the increasing rates of women contracting the disease, Ford said; "How are women getting it? Maybe they are sleeping with bisexual men."

Again sparking controversy in March 2008, during a debate at City Hall, Ford said "Those Oriental people work like dogs. They work their hearts out ... that's why they're successful in life. ... I'm telling you, Oriental people, they're slowly taking over, because there's no excuses for them. They're hard, hard workers." He drew criticism for those remarks from Mayor David Miller, budget chief Shelley Carroll and other councillors.

In 1999 Ford was arrested in Miami for driving under the influence (DUI) and marijuana possession charges.[33] According to the statement recorded by the arresting officer, Ford was acting nervous, had blood shot eyes and had "a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage on his breath". Ford threw his hands up in the air and told the police officer, "Go ahead, take me to jail."[34] Until he was confronted by reporters,[35] Ford said that the marijuana charge had "completely, totally slipped my mind" because the more serious issue during that arrest was the DUI charge.[36] (A charge which he initially denied, claiming instead he was arrested because he "refused to give a breath sample".)[37] Ford also admitted to an assault charge he received after a hockey fight when he was 18, but that it was later dismissed.

Rob Ford garnered controversy again in August 2010 after endorsing Pastor Wendell Brereton who is running for city councillor in Ward 6. Pastor Brereton has suggested online that same-sex marriage could “dismantle” a “healthy democratic civilization.” Ford has said in regards to Pastor Brereton that “We’re together. We have the same thoughts,”. Ford also notes that “[he] support[s] traditional marriage. I always have,”.

On August 26, 2010, the Toronto Star reported that an E-mail enquiry from a prospective voter was answered through the mechanism of a computerised form letter, and when filling out the form letter, someone apparently forgot to replace a bolded entry field in the second paragraph of the letter reading "Insert vague response on policy".[/
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he's goot a point, but still... :facepalm:
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I consistantly vote for the most fiscally irresponsible candidate for Kitchener mayor. I consider fiscal irresponsibility, and pints drunk at Oktoberfest.


"Fiscal Responbility" = Political bullshit.
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I consistantly vote for the most fiscally irresponsible candidate for Kitchener mayor. I consider fiscal irresponsibility, and pints drunk at Oktoberfest.


"Fiscal Responbility" = Political bullshit.
Fiscal responsibility are words used all the time in politics, especially in times of economic hardship. It's complete horseshit, especially coming from tubby.
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I consistently vote for the dumbest, most morally repugnant candidate for mayor. I prefer mental shortcomings and an ability to consume an extra large pizza in under 15 minutes. Rob Ford all the way, bitches!

"Intelligence", "Equality", "Professionalism" = liberal, elitist, political rhetoric
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I didn't realize the left owned intelligence and professionalism. That's impressive.
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I didn't realize the left owned intelligence and professionalism. That's impressive.
No worries. That memo didn't get delivered to my place for weeks, maybe months. It arrived with the memo that informed me that the "right" does not "own" fiscal responsibility.

The "left" most certainly does NOT "own" intelligence and professionalism. And what the "right" calls "responsibility" is sometimes synonomous with "delusion" and "lack of foresight."

I'm not from Toronto, so I got nothing to gain or lose in this election.
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I didn't realize the left owned intelligence and professionalism. That's impressive.
Do you really think that Ford has shown professionalism or intelligence?

Seriously?

Outbreaks, drug arests, charged with domestic asault, comments about gay people, his views on gay marriage, homelessness.

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In 2006, allegations arose of his conduct at a Toronto Maple Leafs game. Two audience members alleged Ford instigated a shouting match.[28] Security at the Air Canada Centre later ejected Ford from the venue. Initially, Ford denied involvement, claiming mistaken identity. The following day, Ford confirmed the allegations and announced his apology to the couple.[29] He cited "personal problems" as a reason for his behaviour.
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"if you are not doing needles and you are not gay, you wouldn't get AIDS probably, that's bottom line."[30] With respect to the increasing rates of women contracting the disease, Ford said; "How are women getting it? Maybe they are sleeping with bisexual men."
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"Those Oriental people work like dogs. They work their hearts out ... that's why they're successful in life. ... I'm telling you, Oriental people, they're slowly taking over, because there's no excuses for them.
He's a dolt! :facepalm:
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Fiscal responsibility is actually not a term I would usually use. Fiscal conservatism actually means something to me. I can understand the need to more or less have the money, or at least a dependable source of revenue, before spending it. What fiscal responsibility seems to end up meaning, is selling off assets for a one-time gain, making cuts over any kind of a tax increase without weighing the overall costs or savings over time, and oddly it seems to always end up requiring a fudging of numbers and used as a cure-all to sell to rednecks.

I got Ford's pamphlet yesterday. He wants to hire 1000 new cops in a city that has expanded the police force, appears to be under the thumb of the police union at the best of time, and has a crime rate that has done nothing but drop for some time now. How is that in any way responsible? The guy just lost any chance he had of getting my vote, and what sickens me, is that nobody is going to be able to call him on it. If we slide right back into the political situation with the cops like we had under Lastman, then there is going be a huge downside to this election. I can just see it now - Mammoliti calling in the army to take over poor neighborhoods.
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Do you really think that Ford has shown professionalism or intelligence?
Not at all...

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Fiscal responsibility is actually not a term I would usually use. Fiscal conservatism actually means something to me. I can understand the need to more or less have the money, or at least a dependable source of revenue, before spending it. What fiscal responsibility seems to end up meaning, is selling off assets for a one-time gain, making cuts over any kind of a tax increase without weighing the overall costs or savings over time, and oddly it seems to always end up requiring a fudging of numbers and used as a cure-all to sell to rednecks.
Fiscal conservatism actually describes the fiscal policies or agendas of a candidate.

Fiscal responsibility is just bullshit isn't it? Who can't agree with voting for somebody who is responsible. It might even imply the other candidates are irresponsible.
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Fiscal conservatism actually describes the fiscal policies or agendas of a candidate.

Fiscal responsibility is just bullshit isn't it? Who can't agree with voting for somebody who is responsible. It might even imply the other candidates are irresponsible.
That's basically what it seems to be about, and the implication does get people riled up nicely. I just need a bit more than finger pointing.
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and I would would probably vote for him
I missed this post yesterday.

I'd probably vote for 'trane-wreck, although I'm sure I'd hound him about certain issues.

It's difficult for a newcomer to build a profile in municipal politics, at least most places. If you're running for a seat in provincial or federal office, you hook up with a party and that, obviously, gets you the cred/exposure you need to be taken seriously. I'm not even 30 and I've already seen a handful of really capable people get completely destroyed in various past municipal elections. I'm sure others have too.
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