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this talk of 'elitist torontonians' is silly. this has nothing to do with the elite. we need smart people. ford is proving to be an imbecile. i don't care where anyone is from, what school they went to, how much money they have or who they have read. what i care about is sensible decision-making, a sense of civic history, and a fair handling of facts - especially including fiscal promises. ford is failing miserably om all of these fronts yet is somehow convincing people that he speaks some kind of truth. the way toronto is swallowing his propaganda machine is alarming. there is simply little truth in it.
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voters are too smart for a guy like ford. he's simply not representative of our city, no matter how many times he appeals to the lcd.
I would hope any city with a population substantial enough to attract a few decent candidates would be "too smart for a guy like ford." He'd be lucky to get 2% of the vote in Winnipeg. Our civic elections are next month and the 2 leading candidates in the mayoral race make Ford look like a total asshat.
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I would hope any city with a population substantial enough to attract a few decent candidates would be "too smart for a guy like ford." He'd be lucky to get 2% of the vote in Winnipeg. Our civic elections are next month and the 2 leading candidates in the mayoral race make Ford look like a total asshat.
Winnipeg - city of elitists. It's a shame they can't come to love their common asshats over there. Must be all those chemicals they spray on the populace.
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i facepalmed dvs because, quite frankly, i never posted that anything was wrong with subways, and i never said streetcars were the way to go. also, quite frankly, no past mayor or current candidate would disagree. the point is that, whatever crazy numbers he wants to mention, those subway lines are hugely expensive, and totally unaffordable given the numbers he discusses and given the lack of federal investment. municipal politicians have been over this a million times. miller did not avoid subways in favour of streetcars because he though streetcars were in any way better, he did it because that is what they city could afford. to think that ford has suddenly struck upon the unique idea that an expanded subway is a good thing is ridiculous.

this talk of 'elitist torontonians' is silly. this has nothing to do with the elite. we need smart people. ford is proving to be an imbecile. i don't care where anyone is from, what school they went to, how much money they have or who they have read. what i care about is sensible decision-making, a sense of civic history, and a fair handling of facts - especially including fiscal promises. ford is failing miserably om all of these fronts yet is somehow convincing people that he speaks some kind of truth. the way toronto is swallowing his propaganda machine is alarming. there is simply little truth in it.

voters are too smart for a guy like ford. he's simply not representative of our city, no matter how many times he appeals to the lcd.

there are not a lot of good candidates, this is surely true, but rob ford is most certainly not one of them. his transit plan is a re-hashed mishmash of old ideas rejected because they are too expensive. the only new thing he seems to have added is the colour-coded curbs idea, as if we can't read signs... but what really worries me is the hit that our social institutions will take. but that is something for another thread.
If he is elected...he is......the sentence makes you sound like an elitist torontonian.
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good lord benzo. surely there are better reasons to elect someone than 'he is dumb so this sticks it to those snobs'.

and yes, i am elitist against dumb politicians. please forgive me.
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Winnipeg - city of elitists. It's a shame they can't come to love their common asshats over there. Must be all those chemicals they spray on the populace.
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Actually, the hippies frequently complain about the malathion used to combat the mosquitoes.

Winnipeg has its share of elitists AND asshats.

We have our own public transportation concerns, too, which some people would say won't be addressed adequately by any of the mayoral candidates. But both of the front-runners have decent resumes, lots of experience, and a functioning brain.

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what is the jist of the transit city plan?
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Transit City is an initiative to build eight new Light Rail Transit (LRT) lines to neighbourhoods and areas currently not served by rapid public transit. These routes will reinforce the public transit focus of the City of Toronto’s Official Plan. Electrically-powered Light Rail Vehicles (LRVs) will travel in reserved lanes providing a smooth, fast and comfortable transit experience. Transit City routes will be accessible to customers with all levels of mobility and provide transit users with a high level of comfort and customer service.

Once implemented, the Transit City LRT lines will support local economic development and reduce greenhouse emissions by allowing people to choose public transit as a convenient alternative to the private automobile. Each line will provide seamless connections with the existing TTC subway system, GO Transit, other Transit City LRT routes and regional public transit networks.
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Transit City is a 15 billion dollar waste of time. Crowding the streets of Toronto. With the emissions they save it will just be reinvested in the idling automobile. LRT are slow pieces of shit that are slower than your Hybrid bus in which doesn't hold up idling cars and provides a faster alternative. Although Buses are known to be less consistent due to traffic woes the speed shall make up for it and just put more busses on the road during rush hour.

Use that 15 billion to build a few subway stations. After all Canadian Gov't likes giving money away to the Nordiques a private enterprise give Toronto some love
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ok, so its for trains, thought new subway lines were involved...thats what I would like and connect it to Pearson please
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ok, so its for trains, thought new subway lines were involved...thats what I would like and connect it to Pearson please
Nimby ism stopped the Train to Pearson. The town of Weston has stopped that project for years. I do agree with you though the city needs some fast access to the airport. Our subway lines has not been upgraded since the 60s. Time to reinvest in Toronto Transit
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Nimby ism stopped the Train to Pearson. The town of Weston has stopped that project for years. I do agree with you though the city needs some fast access to the airport. Our subway lines has not been upgraded since the 60s. Time to reinvest in Toronto Transit
whos going to do that? invest in subway lines?
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whos going to do that? invest in subway lines?
The real fact about Transit is it won't be done unless a future mayor convinces federal and provincial gov'ts that you need to spend a wack of dough on Toronto infrastructor. For years the feds just didn't care to upgrade Toronto and now the city is in a horribly bad situation in terms of Transit especially.

Subways are very costly and it takes alot of forward thinking to get them in place. Truth is we wouldn't see the fruits of our labour into action until the next generation comes to Toronto. Personally I'm ok with that if the city is going into the right direction. Generations before us have sacrificed for us maybe its time we do the same.

If you look at big cities in Europe they are either digging or going in the air when it comes to moving people around. Yet we get the idea that congesting Toronto's with STreet cars is the way to go. I'm perplexed
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The real fact about Transit is it won't be done unless a future mayor convinces federal and provincial gov'ts that you need to spend a wack of dough on Toronto infrastructor. For years the feds just didn't care to upgrade Toronto and now the city is in a horribly bad situation in terms of Transit especially.

Subways are very costly and it takes alot of forward thinking to get them in place. Truth is we wouldn't see the fruits of our labour into action until the next generation comes to Toronto. Personally I'm ok with that if the city is going into the right direction. Generations before us have sacrificed for us maybe its time we do the same.

If you look at big cities in Europe they are either digging or going in the air when it comes to moving people around. Yet we get the idea that congesting Toronto's with STreet cars is the way to go. I'm perplexed
i agree completely, but that's a federal issue. countless mayors have been asking for this - i can't think of a single one that didn't push this issue with the feds and the province - but it remains unfulfilled.
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i agree completely, but that's a federal issue. countless mayors have been asking for this - i can't think of a single one that didn't push this issue with the feds and the province - but it remains unfulfilled.
It is very frustrating. The truth is I wish the Mega City never existed. All it does is make Downtown Toronto's problems North Yorks, Etobicokes, Scarb's problem. We then overlook that each one of these regions have problems of their own but all they do is give in to the Toilet of Economic waste that is Toronto.

Edit: also only two Mega city mayors have been in power. One built a subway to nowhere (although does benefit me) and the other had the denied LRTs.

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The real fact about Transit is it won't be done unless a future mayor convinces federal and provincial gov'ts that you need to spend a wack of dough on Toronto infrastructor. For years the feds just didn't care to upgrade Toronto and now the city is in a horribly bad situation in terms of Transit especially.

Subways are very costly and it takes alot of forward thinking to get them in place. Truth is we wouldn't see the fruits of our labour into action until the next generation comes to Toronto. Personally I'm ok with that if the city is going into the right direction. Generations before us have sacrificed for us maybe its time we do the same.

If you look at big cities in Europe they are either digging or going in the air when it comes to moving people around. Yet we get the idea that congesting Toronto's with STreet cars is the way to go. I'm perplexed
yup, a lot of people to convince and officials want instant results so they can get re elected

takes time to build but if they started 10-15 years ago we would be a lot further now
no time like the present to get things done
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Make Toronto its own province and be done with it
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solid. thanks windex.
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The way insurance costs are going through the roof (mine have gone up 10-20 percent each of the last 3 years), it's not hard to see a time in the near future where driving cars is going to become prohibitively expensive, even before gas prices increase any further. This issue really needs some vision.
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