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Old 10-27-2010, 12:08 PM   #301 (permalink)
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The problem for me is that I didn't see Ford actually running for the position of Mayor. He was running to be a symbol of something that a good deal of people felt represented them. It's a shame that he couldn't have just remained a counsellor with full and constant access to the media and been an effective symbol in that role, because this city needs an actual mayor.

One of his chief points of disgust was how the budget has balloooned. Well lets see - how did that come about? Was it insane wasteful spending? Or was it largely due to the actions of his biggest fan Mike Harris? It's now clear that all the ranting over the last 8 years has been a means of serving as Harris' greatest apologist, and now he sees it as his duty to prove Harris right in the sense that all the problems stem simply from Toronto not having it's house in order. Sorry - but while Ford was ranting, much of the mess left behind by Harris and Lastman was being cleaned up, as difficult as that was in a political sense.

Has there been a problem with political elites getting carried away and being out of touch? Absolutely. And again - I can see Ford as a strong symbol against all of that. There should be no place for that in a perfect world, and voicing dissent over that is hardly a problem. But now it would seem that Ford is actually a puppet for the real elites that Miller made things much more difficult for than did Mel. I would guess the business elites would expect that if there is waste to be found it should at least fill the trough that they are going to feed from, and not some two-bit politician. It's time for the real elites to take over this town once again, with the help of their new Mayor with the well-crafted populist message. What else could Ford possibly mean when he says he's all about Toronto being open for business? It's the same message that Harris delivered. Oh goody - here we go again.

Trane - you compared Ford with Obama in a bizarro world sense, and I recognize the two might share similar plights. But it goes too far beyond a bizarro version. Obama has been largely stifled by everything being historically fucked up. Of course he also made the same mistake of wanting to use the same playbook, in terms of process, as those that came before him, but he was not going to succeed in getting the Dems to act like Replublicans, nor the Replubicans to bend over like Dems. Using the same hammer to achieve different ends was not a good move. Ford, on the other hand, comes in just when the city has started to get out of a period of stagnation and debt and helplessness, and he intends to use the hammer that Miller had replaced with a broom, to knock the city right back into the hole it was starting to climb out of. Thankfully Miller had some laws put in place to keep those that backed him from getting away with everything they did under Mel. And with any luck Ford will actually find it in him to serve all those people that gave their five bucks in support of a symbol they thought was all about them, in which case he will have to look long and hard at the consequences that would come from the simple proposals we've seen thus far.

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Old 10-27-2010, 12:49 PM   #302 (permalink)
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Great Post LX, and I mean that I can't say I disagree about much of it. Ford being a symbol of something but not being qualified to be mayor is exactly how I feel.

When it comes to inheriting problems it is true across the board, as miller inherited the problems before him, so did Mulorney from from the "greatest" PM Trudeau. It is absolutely cyclical.

The problems of the Province and Feds downloading on Toronto have always been true, and it will never change until Toronto becomes its own province. Yes I'm serious.

This election proved 1 thing to me, that the job of Mayor of Toronto is sooo fucked up and such a lose lose that any leader with any brain wants to part of it at all. Career Suicide

In the end I walked down to my election booth...and spoiled my ballot. It is my right to do so, in protest of the system and all the candidates.

I couldn't bring myself to elect Ford, but that is not to say that I don't appreciate what he stands for.

We need a real leader and visionary in this city, this time around that option just didn't present itself.
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:04 PM   #303 (permalink)
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should have voted for Kevin Clarke like i did B.
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:11 PM   #304 (permalink)
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should have voted for Kevin Clarke like i did B.
Heh, when I was working for MLSE that guy annoyed me to no end. Couldnt get in or out of the building without his antics.
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:25 PM   #305 (permalink)
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i remember years ago he made innapropriate comments at my wife (girlfirend at the time). When we passed by him on the street. It was back then that i knew he would make a great mayor.
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Old 10-27-2010, 02:25 PM   #306 (permalink)
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There is an anarchic element to the whole thing that intrigues me. Ford was given a pretty big mandate on the surface of the results. But he wasn't given a majority to work with. The idea of change didn't really reverberate as much as the idea of giving a big F-bomb to politicians who even thought about spending 12 grand on a party. All of that perfectly fits with anarchist principles, including the difficulty of following through strongly with a perceived mandate.
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Old 10-27-2010, 02:56 PM   #307 (permalink)
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starting at 2:00 mins or so... he can't even focus for a couple of minutes on an interview. and then denial, denial. this is going to be a long 4 years... :facepalm:

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/asithappen...1026_40204.mp3
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I followed this race relatively closely from afar.

I thought Ford was comical. People are so afraid of "elites" and so for "the people" that they'll run with whatever populist politician will tell them what they want, whether they have a plan for that or not. That's what I saw in this race.
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Just listened to that CBC interview. Hilarious.
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I love how CBC made it clear that it was Ford's communications director who selected that time for the interview.
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starting at 2:00 mins or so... he can't even focus for a couple of minutes on an interview. and then denial, denial. this is going to be a long 4 years... :facepalm:

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/asithappen...1026_40204.mp3
Nothing really new there, though.... that's the sad part. That is Rob Ford. Rude and clueless. I am just astounded that anyone thought this man should be our Mayor.
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Nothing really new there, though.... that's the sad part. That is Rob Ford. Rude and clueless. I am just astounded that anyone thought this man should be our Mayor.
this was shocking to me. it really was. i guess it's not new, but when you schedule an interview with a national broadcaster the day after you are elected, and then proceed to duck every question with the same stock response as your campaign (the subtle cut wasteful spending by cutting taxes strategy, whatever that means) and then back out of the interview like you are being bothered, you really show the city what they can expect over the next 4 years.

i really do wonder what will happen months from now when the campaign part is over and he actually has to respond to the media about what he is doing and not doing at city hall. is he capable of answering a probing question?
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what are you gonna do, rob ford?

RF - end the gravy train.

how?

RF - by putting a stop to wasteful spending.

how will you do that?

RF - by ending the gravy train. duh. pfft. pay attention.
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During his campaign to lead Canada's largest city, Rob Ford said streetcars were not the answer to Toronto's transit needs. The right-leaning mayor-elect said he prefers to add buses and extend the subway system in time for the 2015 Pan-Am Games.

He also said he wants to halt the provincially funded plan to build light-rail lines from Toronto's downtown to the suburbs.

But on Wednesday, Mr. Ford backed away from his plan to phase out streetcars. If cancelling the order “is going to cost the taxpayers an arm and a leg, then obviously we can't do it,” he said.
Bombardier not worried that Toronto's new mayor will kill streetcar order - The Globe and Mail

ok, so it took him less than 48 hours to back away from his first campaign promise. "if it's going to cost the taxpayers arm and a leg..." no kidding you can't just cancel the deal rob. there's a cancellation fee, precisely what all of your critics have been saying all along. perhaps you could have done some basic research prior to making your proposal during the campaign... nice one. :facepalm:
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we may need to rename that smiley to :robford:
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Can someone tell me why Mike Harris was re-elected? I was young then but I remember how it just seemed like everyone hated his guts.
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Can someone tell me why Mike Harris was re-elected? I was young then but I remember how it just seemed like everyone hated his guts.
From what I remember he was able to campaign on having fulfilled all of his promises. And nobody knew who the hell Dalton McGuinty was.
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From what I remember he was able to campaign on having fulfilled all of his promises. And nobody knew who the hell Dalton McGuinty was.
I remember Booing the hell out of him at the skydome.

The problem is McGuinty has basically destroyed his popularity by introducing tough medicine in Ontario. I can handle Rob Ford, I don't know if I can handle all three levels of Government being right wring.
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