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Old 10-26-2010, 05:42 PM   #281 (permalink)
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Is it just me or does his rotundness and high pitched whiny kind of voice remind you of Chris Farley?
More Curly Howard, when Moe and Larry would take off out of a room and he'd run after them, "Hey Moe, hey Larry!"

Although, Ford being all sweaty last night reminded me of Farley.
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never before seen footage of Ford having lunch at the city hall cafeteria...

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Old 10-26-2010, 10:00 PM   #283 (permalink)
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He has already promised to get rid, of the cash grab "car license fee"

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and the land transfer tax and no mr street cars may be coming up the pipe

Not a bad way to start or shall I say stop the "gravy train"
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:26 PM   #284 (permalink)
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that's not stopping any gravy train - that's just not paying the fare. Bad idea to cut off revenue sources before making the necessary cuts. That sounds like the opposite of fiscal responsibility to me. And that is what his whole campaign sounded like if you listened for any details. Should be interesting. Let's hope we don't turn into another disaster like Ottawa. Not a good sign that mr. fiscal irresponsibility, Mike Harris was there for the celebrations.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:34 PM   #285 (permalink)
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that's not stopping any gravy train - that's just not paying the fare. Bad idea to cut off revenue sources before making the necessary cuts. That sounds like the opposite of fiscal responsibility to me. And that is what his whole campaign sounded like if you listened for any details. Should be interesting. Let's hope we don't turn into another disaster like Ottawa. Not a good sign that mr. fiscal irresponsibility, Mike Harris was there for the celebrations.
That part scared the shit out of me. It's like all those horrible horror movies where the villain comes back.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:34 PM   #286 (permalink)
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Rob Ford?s Toronto: Fewer wildcat strikes, more subways - thestar.com

too many people to go thru to get things done, would be interesting if Mayors had increased power
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:37 PM   #287 (permalink)
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that's not stopping any gravy train - that's just not paying the fare. Bad idea to cut off revenue sources before making the necessary cuts. That sounds like the opposite of fiscal responsibility to me. And that is what his whole campaign sounded like if you listened for any details. Should be interesting. Let's hope we don't turn into another disaster like Ottawa. Not a good sign that mr. fiscal irresponsibility, Mike Harris was there for the celebrations.

Quotes tell the story. Also, I'm not gonna fight about this as its a never ending battle. I truly believe the more money in governments hands the more problems they will make. Ask the most corrupt province (quebec) about this notion. I like the fact gov't will step back from controlling money in our city. I could be wrong but hey thats just how I feel.
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you are wrong about almost every sentence in that post.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:41 PM   #289 (permalink)
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you are wrong about almost every sentence in that post.
that quebec is the most corrupt province in the country?

You are living on mars and also how dare you tell me how I feel.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:44 PM   #290 (permalink)
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Quotes tell the story. Also, I'm not gonna fight about this as its a never ending battle. I truly believe the more money in governments hands the more problems they will make. Ask the most corrupt province (quebec) about this notion. I like the fact gov't will step back from controlling money in our city. I could be wrong but hey thats just how I feel.
DVS when you make statements like that, I gotta ask. How do you think stuff gets done?

Who picks up the trash? Who cleans the streets? and where does the money come from to pay for such things? If you want to reduce the money the government has drastically, then YOU as the consumer will start having to be responsible for many essential services YOU don't really want to be responsible for.

Think about all those times you were put on hold for Rogers and multiply that by 4 and that's what you'll have to deal with if our budget is slashed and our services become private.
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Yes. And everything I just said has to do with the Denver Nuggets
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that quebec is the most corrupt province in the country?

You are living on mars and also how dare you tell me how I feel.
sorry. i should have added "i could be wrong, but that's just how i feel."
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DVS when you make statements like that, I gotta ask. How do you think stuff gets done?

Who picks up the trash? Who cleans the streets? and where does the money come from to pay for such things? If you want to reduce the money the government has drastically, then YOU as the consumer will start having to be responsible for many essential services YOU don't really want to be responsible for.

Think about all those times you were put on hold for Rogers and multiply that by 4 and that's what you'll have to deal with if our budget is slashed and our services become private.

land transfer tax and added vehicle registration tax is a mere fraction of revenue for the city. You give gov't more they will spend more. I'm ok for taxes its the endless add on gov't likes taking.. Land transfer, VRT, HST. It never ends. Its time to spend money effectively in this city so the provincial and feds invest in this city



I'll also add markham has private services and 0 debt
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Old 10-26-2010, 11:01 PM   #294 (permalink)
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sorry. i should have added "i could be wrong, but that's just how i feel."
Could you imagine a privatized snow cleaning?

Regular Packages for regular cleaning, And ultra - supreme packages for immediate cleaning of your roads. And then wait what if your neighbor didn't pay his bill? would your street not get cleaned?

Just stuff like that never adds up to me. We need these things to be government run. We have auditors, we have 40 plus council members. There will always be corruption (especially in the private sector), but there are lots of checks and balances in place.

I told you I did research. Our group gets audited multiple times just to make sure we're using our government grants properly.
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land transfer tax and added vehicle registration tax is a mere fraction of revenue for the city. You give gov't more they will spend more. I'm ok for taxes its the endless add on gov't likes taking.. Land transfer, VRT, HST. It never ends. Its time to spend money effectively in this city so the provincial and feds invest in this city



I'll also add markham has private services and 0 debt
But we're not Markham. I'm not familiar with the reasons behind it but Markham does have higher property taxes than the city of Toronto according to my friend on msn right now haha.

Anyway, that's like me saying that Alberta has hero provincial taxes and no debt. I'm also leaving out the black stuff that they have that comes out of the ground.
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land transfer tax and added vehicle registration tax is a mere fraction of revenue for the city. You give gov't more they will spend more. I'm ok for taxes its the endless add on gov't likes taking.. Land transfer, VRT, HST. It never ends. Its time to spend money effectively in this city so the provincial and feds invest in this city



I'll also add markham has private services and 0 debt
just out of curiosity, have you ever worked for government on any level or for any organization that receives government funding in order to carry out government mandated services? are you familiar with how those contracts are structured and how the reporting works?

and markham is not a similar city to toronto. the population is completely different.
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I can understand the endless list of taxes that do get tagged on being bothersome. However, I'd like to see examples of why we don't need them, before we get rid of them. I'm not directing that at you DVS, I'm directing that at politicians who make those promises.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:10 AM   #298 (permalink)
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Ford will put an end to the gravy train!

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I look forward to watching Rob make a fool of himself!
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just out of curiosity, have you ever worked for government on any level or for any organization that receives government funding in order to carry out government mandated services? are you familiar with how those contracts are structured and how the reporting works?

and markham is not a similar city to toronto. the population is completely different.
Never worked for government or worked in a union. Worked either for myself or in the private sector. I have a different way of thinking and I guess it doesn't apply to most here. I may not know the ins and outs in everything on the government side because I care not to know I rather work for a living (no disrespect to those hard working civil servants out there). I know currently my way of thinking might lean to the right but it doesn't mean I'm wrong it just mean I think different. After all this is a democracy and many may seem the city is full of idiots but those idiots voted for the fat right wing guy because they are tired of the status quo. Can they be all wrong? In your mind problbably but thats the great thing of democracy.
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all i am trying to suggest is that if you want to cut fat you should know what it is you are voting to cut, and whether or not that is an effective way to make those cuts.

for instance, there is undoubtedly an inflated hr budget at city hall. but there are other ways to deal with that than the attrition strategy. the real fact is that most of our essential services are not overstaffed. they may be paid too much, pensions may be out of control and benefits packages might be too big (all of these are debatable but are all issues of long-term cost escalation), but it's not like we have too many of these individuals working in this city. so it seems to me that a strategy of having fewer highly paid staff to deliver critical services is a less effective approach to delivering quality service than working to get costs under control and keeping staffing levels high enough to maintain service levels. this is why staffing levels for essential services are legislated - maintenance of service levels. ford still has not described how he will get around that part, both in a legislative and functional sense.

as a second example, the funding a non-profit org gets from the city or the province tends to be barely enough to cover basic costs. the hr budgets in my experience have tended to be well more than 85% of operational expenses. we have lower-level facilities and infrastructure, and we have no money for improvements. things are extraordinarily tight at the moment. yet every year we are expected to serve more people and take on more work without any increases to funding. cuts to funding now mean that programs will dissolve. there is no more fat to cut. if ford had told us what types of city-funded social programs he was going to cut and how those cuts could be incorporated into any kind of strategy that continues to provide services to the least privileged citizens of toronto, then maybe we could have a discussion about whether or not that could be effective. but he didn't.

the idea of cutting costs in the city was not unique to rob ford. the idea of cutting staffing to essential services was. and the broad idea of cutting social programs without describing how was. this is precisely what frustrates me about this election. people didn't bother to research how this is possible or whether or not it is even a good way of cutting the fat. they just grabbed onto a slogan and stopped listening to what the candidates were proposing.
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