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Old 07-15-2009, 03:56 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I'm all happy that poor people give to charities out of the kindness of thier hearts, hell I gave money to a kid looking to buy crack the other day and felt like a saint, .
Thanks for that by the way
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:52 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Y'all need a bit more Nietzsche in your diets, and a little less Church of the latter day bitch ass whiners club!!!

The ends always justify the means when it comes to charity. T-Mac is a fucking champ if you ask me, Darfur is a great cause to bring attention to.


firstly, no one needs more neitzsche in their diets. he was a madman rebelling against having his life run by women... there's a lot of quality in there, but sorting through the madness is extremely tiresome. no one needs more of that.

secondly, those two sentences are not compatible. i can't possibly see neitzsche being even slightly concerned with charity in this sense. supporting the weak, underpriviledged, or oppressed (financially or otherwise) is by no means the concern of the ubermensch, as far as i can remember it. neitzsche didn't exactly wait beside the lake of silvaplana cutting cheques to oxfam, ya know?

if you're going to try to throw that down, at least make sure the thoughts are connected...

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Old 07-15-2009, 06:11 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I just think it's not going to be about big donations by the rich or celebrities that get the job done. Mostly that just causes further dependence. And I don't think everything should hinge upon our contributions to NGO's, although they prove more helpful than Geldof's raising of our awareness every so often and making us feel guilty and stirring the political pot in ways that are not always positive in the long run.

I like the idea of our governments doing the job and directing money where it is most effective, and working to actually eliminate poverty rather than just react to it's harmful effects over and over again. I mentioned Jeffrey Sachs when I meant to put Goldman Sachs in there, and oddly enough Jeffrey has brilliantly come up with a plan to actually eliminate poverty, which is a pretty worthy goal. And all it takes is a commitment of countries to give .7 percent of GNP.

So there is something that we can all do to really make a difference, and we don't even have to open up our wallets individually. We can simply make some noise to get this done collectively.

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The End of Poverty

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Old 07-15-2009, 06:45 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Want to know where to start with in ending world poverty/hunger?

Instead of sending cash and food over, send over well drillers.

$200,000(what like .30 per canadian) would buy a brand new well drilling rig, volunteers could do the drilling and provide all these outlining areas first and foremost with clean drinking water.

Secondly teach them how to cultivate and grow crops, not that hard, anyone can do it and with an ample supply of water it wouldnt be too hard.

A buddy of mine goes to Haiti every year and drills there, its pretty cool.
I did it in DR for a short while.(i didnt actually go-I worded that wrong-but I worked with from here in Canada)

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Yeah that's what I'm talking about, but on a large scale. The amount that can be done with governments making measly commitments is astounding and more importantly - long-lasting.

The main reason for poverty on the scale that we see today is due in great part to the dependence created by the west and soviets trying to gain more influence for so many years. When the Soviets fell away and left Cuba with nothing, Cuba suddenly found that they could produce food in a much more rational way, and they didn't need to beg elsewhere. Now we are seeing their politics starting to shift. We all benefit much more if we allow for independence to take root. Actual links will become possible, rather than seeing corruption further fostered and walls put up.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:17 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Yeah that's what I'm talking about, but on a large scale. The amount that can be done with governments making measly commitments is astounding and more importantly - long-lasting.

The main reason for poverty on the scale that we see today is due in great part to the dependence created by the west and soviets trying to gain more influence for so many years. When the Soviets fell away and left Cuba with nothing, Cuba suddenly found that they could produce food in a much more rational way, and they didn't need to beg elsewhere. Now we are seeing their politics starting to shift. We all benefit much more if we allow for independence to take root. Actual links will become possible, rather than seeing corruption further fostered and walls put up.
Funny how some things come back around again. Like this thread. Like this point.

This is what is wrong with the world, people always have ulterior motives.

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Only problem though is to educate the poor and starving the virtue of patience.

I read a while back that a mission group had been working somewhere and teaching the locals how to cultivate and grow their own crops, everything was fine until the plants just started to bloom and grow, the locals ate everything and totally destroyed all the harvest too soon, destroying all chances of regrowth. The food hadn't even ripened yet and now the mission group was totally oout of money.


So providing water is the most logical start, next would be agriculture/stroring/preserving foods.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:23 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Education is a big part of course. I helped tech a radio program for African farmers with an African student when I was at the University of Guelph. The simplest bits of information to our ears made the biggest impact over there. When they've been looking at depletion, it's very hard to see the big picture of sustainability.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:26 PM   #48 (permalink)
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It pretty sad really.

With water their environment would be able to product, I would wager, multiple growing seasons in a single year, and with staples such as potatoes, corn, carrots, etc-heart veggies, I would wager that this could be an industry that could actually make these nations some money in exporting.
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:03 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I should probably have posted this to the Podium.
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:39 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Old 07-15-2009, 11:37 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I dont care if you donate 1 penny or a billion dollars. The end doesnt justify the means. You have to do this things for the right reasons. We live in such a fucked up society that we glorify people for doing whats right. I have donated and done social work and Im not a better person than anyone for it. Helping should be a RESPONSABILITY not something you do to feel good with yourself or in front of others.

I have no idea what Tmac does with his personal life so Im not attacking him for this but again I wont glorify anyone, specially knowing that a LOT of people do it for the wrong reasons.
your totally right we do live in a fucked up world... pepole beyond poor receive money but nooooooo they shouldnt get it because it was given for the wrong reasons. that is a stereotypical first world point of view, really annoying. of course you are right, but realistically that will not happen. the majority of people who would give for the right reasons are not able to do so. they are the ones working as volunteers, in the red cross, homeless shelters, etc. in this intance the end is what matters; the poor receiving help. my main point is that our opinions mean nothing living where we do. the only thing that matters, the only thing that should matter, is helping them
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your totally right we do live in a fucked up world... pepole beyond poor receive money but nooooooo they shouldnt get it because it was given for the wrong reasons. that is a stereotypical first world point of view, really annoying. of course you are right, but realistically that will not happen. the majority of people who would give for the right reasons are not able to do so. they are the ones working as volunteers, in the red cross, homeless shelters, etc. in this intance the end is what matters; the poor receiving help. my main point is that our opinions mean nothing living where we do. the only thing that matters, the only thing that should matter, is helping them
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As long as they are getting the funds, who cares.
If T-mac donated 10 mill, to some people it looks like he's tryna look good, but to the people recieving the money,it's food,dry clothes, clean water etc.
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:06 AM   #53 (permalink)
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All I know is that I donated my signature to a COME BACK T-MAC sign when I went to a raps practice and he still left...
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so what if ppl feel good that others know they are doing good things.... if it encourages more ppl to do good things, then i dont see why to be negative about it in any way.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:58 AM   #55 (permalink)
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It's beyond me as well. I could understand if T-Mac was constantly forcing the issue into the media, but an article about a documentary stating how much he donated to an organization is far from that.

Who's to say that it wasn't the charity organization that released those numbers in gratitude anyways?

If you can seriously find something wrong with that, you're hopeless. That charity isn't even his primary organization. He's raised hundreds of thousands for the Boys and Girls clubs, built gyms, held charity events. What a dick!
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:51 AM   #56 (permalink)
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One of my favorite lines about this type of work is that "I have no problem with bandaid solutions as long as people treat them as such."

The real philosophical questions and problem with the idea of charity is the relationship it creates. It pretty much upholds a lot the structural underpinnings that create a lot of the political circumstances that make charity a huge profit driven machine. I've witnessed first hand the sheer lack of co-creativity when implementing "objectives" to "help" others. It's usually the same old tired initiatives that involve very little sacrifice on the part of those involved.

It's nice that they open their wallets. But don't look at it as having this significance beyond whatever personal motives you might have for giving. As long as we have a global economic system structured on taking then giving beyond our reach will always wind up as meager patchwork. There's lots of people who've worked in this area that have come to this realization.

Malcolm X and others long realized that the political potency of charity is best realized when done as close to one's home as possible. Investment can be seen as a form of charity, and in this instance, investment can be anything, one's time, which to me, is the greatest thing anyone can give. It's invaluable and impermanent. Opening the pocketbook is the easiest and least effective and transformative form of charity.
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ya ok.

We'll see where all you idiots are when they all close thier pocketbooks.
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idiots? you have to be kidding me sj... after your post in this thread you can't go around insultying other people's sense of what is right and wrong.
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ya ok.

We'll see where all you idiots are when they all close thier pocketbooks.
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ya ok.

We'll see where all you idiots are when they all close thier pocketbooks.
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