Should Omar Khadr be allowed back in Canada

DVS · 01-29-2010, 02:17 PM

The Supreme court has ruled that they won't be making a decision on Khadr. They have left the decision to the Federal Gov't. It now stands that Harper wants nothing to do with him but the Liberals seem to have a difference of opinion.

If any doesn't know about Khadr here is a year old article to let you get the just of it

Quote:

Khadr was the 'grenade man,' U.S. soldier maintains
Last Updated: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 | 3:44 PM ET
CBC News
A U.S. soldier said he was shocked to hear a new witness account that Canadian Omar Khadr wasn't the only one who could've lobbed a grenade that killed his military colleague, but maintains there is evidence it was him.

Sgt. Layne Morris, shown in a file photo, maintains that Omar Khadr threw the grenade that killed his colleague.
(CBC)
"That was a surprise. I talked to almost everybody who was in that compound or there that day and none of them mentioned that there was actually two guys alive in there," Sgt. Layne Morris told CBC Radio's The Current on Wednesday.

A classified document accidentally released earlier in the week said a second fighter was found alive in the suspected al-Qaeda compound when U.S. soldiers entered.

The account casts doubt on the official version of what happened in the firefight that saw U.S. medic Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer killed by a grenade.

Pentagon officials said Khadr, 15 at the time, ambushed American soldiers with a hand grenade after a four-hour fight at the compound in Afghanistan.

Officials later revealed nobody witnessed Khadr throw the grenade, but said that wasn't necessary because Khadr was the only al-Qaeda fighter left alive, and therefore the only person who could've tossed the weapon.

But the classified document, quoting an unidentified soldier, states that the soldier entered the back of the compound and killed the first fighter, who had an AK-47 rifle close to him.

The soldier then spotted Khadr, who was sitting up and facing away from him, and for unexplained reasons shot him twice in the back, the document says.

But Morris argues that the soldier's account still supports the Pentagon's position that Khadr threw the grenade.

"Omar wasn't the rifle man, Omar was the grenade man," said Morris, pointing to the account that the rifle was found by the first fighter.

"To me, [the document] doesn't change anything other than add a little more light on what was actually going on after the bombing raid had ceased," said Morris.

Khadr, 21, is the only Canadian imprisoned at the U.S. detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where he has been held for nearly six years.

Khadr's military lawyer Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler has suggested that the U.S. military may have been involved in a coverup after discovering they had a "15-year-old Canadian on its hands with two gaping bullet holes in his back."

He hopes the unidentified soldier's account brings enough reasonable doubt that the charges against Khadr will be dismissed.

Omar Khadr is shown in a 2002 file photo at the age of 15, around the time he was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
(Canadian Press)
In February 2006, Morris and the widow of medic Speer were awarded a huge judgment from a U.S. court against the estate of the late Ahmed Khadr, father of Omar.

The pair had sued under the U.S. Patriot Act claiming the Khadr patriarch had encouraged his sons to kill Americans. They were awarded $102.6 million US in the first case of its kind, although how or if they will ever collect the money was never made clear.

Read more: CBC News - World - Khadr was the 'grenade man,' U.S. soldier maintains

Latest article courtesy of cbc.ca.

Quote:

The Supreme Court of Canada has overturned lower-court orders that the federal government must try to repatriate Toronto-born Omar Khadr from the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay.

However, the top court agreed Canadian officials violated Khadr's human rights, and that he continues to be threatened by the effect of those violations.

In a unanimous decision released Friday, the court declared that Canadian officials breached Khadr's right to life, liberty and security of the person under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

However, it concluded that ordering the government to ask the U.S. for Khadr's repatriation to stop the continuing violation of his rights would interfere with the government's jurisdiction over foreign relations. Therefore, it chose not to issue the order, even though it had the authority to do so.

"We … leave it to the government to decide how best to respond to this judgment in light of current information, its responsibility for foreign affairs and in conformity with the charter," the ruling said.

Khadr, 23, has been imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since he was arrested in Afghanistan at age 15, accused of throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. soldier. He is scheduled to be tried in July by a U.S. military court on charges of murder, conspiracy and support of terrorism.

Read more: CBC News - Canada - Khadr repatriation overturned by top court

dfunkie1 · 01-29-2010, 02:29 PM

i have a hard time over this case. the simple fact that he was 14/15 years old when he followed his father over there means he wasn't making the decisions that put him in the scenario that he faced. of course he should face punishment for what he did, but i really don't understand why they're sending boys to guantanamo bay.

LX · 01-29-2010, 03:27 PM

I find the fact that he was tortured pretty horrific. If there was any real case against him he would be tried. Instead he just gets to rot. He's now being punished for crimes he might commit. That's scary territory for a democracy.

DVS · 01-29-2010, 05:29 PM

Only problem now is that their is no turning back. Omar did the crime and now its a global issue. If he did kill American Soldiers in Afganistan I'd say thats pretty much enough for me to say he can stay in Cuba. The fact that the States and Canada are both trying to do whatever it is they are doing in Afganistan together should remain in solidarity in their decision. I'd say his parents should be brought to justice (although I believe his father has passed away) into why their child would be leaving one country to another.

Multiculturism sometimes just doesn't work and here is a good example of why it doesn't.

LX · 01-29-2010, 10:01 PM

I don't see how multiculturalism comes into play at all. It's a justice issue. Minors are not supposed to be kept as prisoners of war, or detained, let alone without representation and under the influence of torture. If he did any crime the justice system here, or even in the US are capable of meting out justice. But there is no case or that is what would happen. Instead he is forced to stay in detention because of what crimes he might commit in the future. Sound a little like a totalitarian state?

If there is any problem connected to multiculturalism, it has to do with dual citizenships, but I don't think that actually falls under any multicultural policies.

LilRomeo · 03-19-2010, 02:08 AM

Do you think Khadr should be allowed in Canada? Sure, as long he's forever locked up at Kingston Penitentiary.

I saw pictures and videos of him on TV carrying weapons and making explosives. There is no legitimate reason that this man should have a chance to exercise the Canadian Charter Rights and Freedoms like he used to. Throwing him in Guantanamo Bay was the best thing to do. As a huge threat in our society, he deserved the tortures he received, and leave him rot in his prison cell like his fellow inmates. Why show pity for a mujahid who is capable of destroying the world?

Blame religion! Religion is a threat to our society. The crusades, holocaust, Northern Ireland conflict, genocide, and the famous Sept. 11 incident were all caused by religion. But honestly, his parents should be blamed for what happened to Omar. According to his brother, his parents were strong supporters of Al-Queda.

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03-19-2010, 02:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
LilRomeo is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 617 Representing:	Do you think Khadr should be allowed in Canada? Sure, as long he's forever locked up at Kingston Penitentiary. I saw pictures and videos of him on TV carrying weapons and making explosives. There is no legitimate reason that this man should have a chance to exercise the Canadian Charter Rights and Freedoms like he used to. Throwing him in Guantanamo Bay was the best thing to do. As a huge threat in our society, he deserved the tortures he received, and leave him rot in his prison cell like his fellow inmates. Why show pity for a mujahid who is capable of destroying the world? Blame religion! Religion is a threat to our society. The crusades, holocaust, Northern Ireland conflict, genocide, and the famous Sept. 11 incident were all caused by religion. But honestly, his parents should be blamed for what happened to Omar. According to his brother, his parents were strong supporters of Al-Queda. Last edited by LilRomeo; 03-19-2010 at 03:01 AM.

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01-29-2010, 02:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
dfunkie1 is pounding ur mom Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,464 Representing:	i have a hard time over this case. the simple fact that he was 14/15 years old when he followed his father over there means he wasn't making the decisions that put him in the scenario that he faced. of course he should face punishment for what he did, but i really don't understand why they're sending boys to guantanamo bay.

01-29-2010, 03:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
LX is boycotting boy cots In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 23,334 Representing:	I find the fact that he was tortured pretty horrific. If there was any real case against him he would be tried. Instead he just gets to rot. He's now being punished for crimes he might commit. That's scary territory for a democracy.

01-29-2010, 05:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
DVS is in la la land I'm stuck being a Rap Fan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Its jeffb's world we just post in it Posts: 5,971 Representing:	Only problem now is that their is no turning back. Omar did the crime and now its a global issue. If he did kill American Soldiers in Afganistan I'd say thats pretty much enough for me to say he can stay in Cuba. The fact that the States and Canada are both trying to do whatever it is they are doing in Afganistan together should remain in solidarity in their decision. I'd say his parents should be brought to justice (although I believe his father has passed away) into why their child would be leaving one country to another. Multiculturism sometimes just doesn't work and here is a good example of why it doesn't.

01-29-2010, 10:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
LX is boycotting boy cots In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 23,334 Representing:	I don't see how multiculturalism comes into play at all. It's a justice issue. Minors are not supposed to be kept as prisoners of war, or detained, let alone without representation and under the influence of torture. If he did any crime the justice system here, or even in the US are capable of meting out justice. But there is no case or that is what would happen. Instead he is forced to stay in detention because of what crimes he might commit in the future. Sound a little like a totalitarian state? If there is any problem connected to multiculturalism, it has to do with dual citizenships, but I don't think that actually falls under any multicultural policies.