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Old 03-03-2009, 08:34 AM   #121 (permalink)
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hockey will go away before fighting in hockey goes away
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:26 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:44 PM   #123 (permalink)
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I'm tired of this.

Here's your fucking NHL players policing the game;


1. I'm tired of people insulting my intelligence. fighting in Hockey is a fucking show, a spectacle, a god damned shit show for blood thirsty idiotic fans. If they players want it, fine, keep it, and keep the game where it is, stagnant. But I'll be damned if another pea brained nit wit is gonna tell me that fighhting keeps dirty plays out of hockey, it's a fucking joke. Fighting justify's diorty plays.

2. Cam Jansen, goon, waste of roster space, almost kills Kaberle with a terrible and malicious late hit. For weeks in the Toronto media, the idiots call into the Fan590, Cherry talks it up on Coaches corner, payback is coming for Jansen, hockey in fighting will finally have it's day in the sun for it's true purpose, it's going to deter Cam from ever doing this again.

3. Game time, the air is tight with anticipation, the fans can smell blood. Belak and Jansen line up and the puck drops... with the mutual respect not offered to Thomas Kaberle just a few weeks earlier, Belak waits for JAnsen to remove his helmet and gloves, because thats the code. They battle, cam says no no no stripes, keep er going, they battle more. Exhausted they fall to the ice. Gladiators. Wade is a champ, he has let Cam Jansen know his disrespectful play will not go unpunished....by patting him on the back.."good tilt cammer", "you too Belak". Jansen shakes his fist in meathead triumph, goes to the box and has a good laugh. Belak soaks up the bloodthirsty cheers from a rabid ACC crowd. Justice has prevailed, fighting again, has saved the day.

Jansen missed 5 minutes and was back on the ice, having served his debt to the NHL hockey gods.

Tomas Kaberle watched the fight from the trainers room where he was still suffering lingering effects from the hit that side lined him for 8 games 20 days earlier. Just happy he wasn't out for good, like so many who have come before him.


Gimme a fucking break.


The Hockey fight debate is a fucking farce. Period.

Call it what it is, a fight. Call the support what it is, bloodlust. If the fans need it, nd players like it, keep it. But don't toss some bullshit at me about how it keeps the game safe from dirty plays. Fighting in Hockey makes room for dirty plays, it allows them to exist. Players need to ask themselves, am I tough eough to put this kid in head first...and guess whatm if the answer is no, that guy wouldn't be in the jersey he's in, so it's ALWAYS yes.

It's the worst kept secret, the silliest facade in all of pro sports. have some fucking guts and admit its there because people like to see people punch the shit out of each other. Wanna be a real MAN, admit that.

I'm done with the debate. I have it too often, and with some pretty good opposition. Not one person has been able to put an arguement out there I couldn't refute in about 30 seconds with pure logic.

A close friend of mine covers Hockey for a major CDN sports media center, he and I constantly go at it on this one. And ya wanna know what he thinks?

IT'S ALL ABOUT PUTTING ASSES IN SEATS AND SELLING ADVERTISING!

Stuff the Policing garbage in yer ass boys, it's pigshit!
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:08 PM   #124 (permalink)
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you're such a melodramatic cry baby

no one is insulting your intelligence, we just don't agree with you.

i'm not a blood thirsty hound. i don't care if there's fighting or not, i just don't have a problem with teams protecting their own and sending a message.

like i asked before, what did you do when someone took a run at the goalie? cause if you did nothing, i'd call you a pussy for it. no pigshit.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:48 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Wow - I only wish I cared as much as SJ. Fighting doesn't need to go away. It just needs to stop being made out like it's a vital part of the game, because it takes so much away from the game. Anybody who fights should face consequences. Period. Anybody committing a dirty play should face consequences. How fucking hard is it to wrap your head around that? I guess it depends on whether you like fighting or like hockey. If you make teams suffer when that shit goes down, teams will actually replace the goons with skilled players. How awful is that to imagine?
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:46 PM   #126 (permalink)
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you're such a melodramatic cry baby

no one is insulting your intelligence, we just don't agree with you.

i'm not a blood thirsty hound. i don't care if there's fighting or not, i just don't have a problem with teams protecting their own and sending a message.

like i asked before, what did you do when someone took a run at the goalie? cause if you did nothing, i'd call you a pussy for it. no pigshit.
1. I'm talking about people in general, not you personally, don't flatter yourself my friend, I don't know you, nor have I ever had a conversation about this with you. It's the theory I'm talking about, it insults intelligent thought.

2. My last competitive game was when I was 15, AAA Hockey, there wearn't a ton of fights just yet, and when there was, I wasn't in them for the most part, my job was a bit more important than to sit in the box, so I'm afraid I have nothing to give ya Jackson. But you can call me whatever you like bud, I don't much mind, nor would I give you the time of day on the ice. I didn't much care then, and don't now for guys who do that shit, there are plenty of ways to repay the favor that are clean, and part of the game.
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:50 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Wow - I only wish I cared as much as SJ. Fighting doesn't need to go away. It just needs to stop being made out like it's a vital part of the game, because it takes so much away from the game. Anybody who fights should face consequences. Period. Anybody committing a dirty play should face consequences. How fucking hard is it to wrap your head around that? I guess it depends on whether you like fighting or like hockey. If you make teams suffer when that shit goes down, teams will actually replace the goons with skilled players. How awful is that to imagine?
I agree.

And I don't care much, I just don't care for the farce these guys are using as an argument for fighting, call it what it is, a circus act.

Hell I enjoy a good fight, but I sure as hell know better than to say it's policing dirty plays. Only thing that polices anything is taking it outta the pocket books.

Hit from behind - 20 games, no pay, minimum
Intent to injure (high hit, slash, whatever) - 20 games - no pay, minimum
fight - 5 games, unpaid.

Lets watch how much policing needs to be done then.
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hockey will go away before fighting in hockey goes away
I wish both would go away.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:03 PM   #129 (permalink)
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you're such a melodramatic cry baby

no one is insulting your intelligence, we just don't agree with you.

i'm not a blood thirsty hound. i don't care if there's fighting or not, i just don't have a problem with teams protecting their own and sending a message.

like i asked before, what did you do when someone took a run at the goalie? cause if you did nothing, i'd call you a pussy for it. no pigshit.
That can easily be done without fighting.
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Now Jeff, thats just cold!

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Old 06-04-2009, 02:51 PM   #131 (permalink)
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You might remember Hurricanes right wing Scott Walker's decking Bruins defenseman Aaron Ward in Game 5 of their Eastern Conference semifinals. Total sucker punch. Outraged fans (myself included) pined for swift justice, telepathically urging B's enforcer Milan Lucic to escape an official's grasp and get to Walker. I think I even screamed, "Kill him! Kill him!"

Unable to break free, Looch settled on the I-will-have-my-revenge-someday hockey trifecta: swearing, fierce finger-pointing and sarcastic nodding. Walker exacerbated the situation by skating around with a defiant smile on his face. The moment ended. Ward wobbled off. And every Boston fan had the same thought: Scott Walker must pay.

Nothing happened in Game 6, and when the series returned to Boston for Game 7, I wanted the Bruins to marinate Walker, grill him and serve him to the fans with an apple stuck in his mouth. You know, like a pig at a feast. Instead, Walker shushed the crowd by scoring the series-winner in OT. Of all the guys! I haven't been so furious since Drago killed Apollo. I waited for someone to pummel him in the handshake line. No one did. He was offered every hand and even gave Ward an "I'm sorry" tap on the shoulder.

The Walker story had everything you want from playoff hockey: bad blood, vengeance and, ultimately, reconciliation. Like Vito Corleone tried to teach his sons, it's only business. Come playoff time, players grow ugly beards and throw themselves around with no regard. If an opponent crosses the line, they settle it with elbows, sticks or fists. Maybe a slash when the ref isn't looking. They might even take a run at someone after the outcome has been decided. Just remember, Sonny: It's business.

Every Bruins fan felt the same thing: "Scott Walker must pay."

I grew up a hockey lover in Boston, and the sport's nonstop feistiness pushed it over the top for me. But I cooled on the B's after college, when owner/miser Jeremy Jacobs kept pinching pennies at the expense of Cup hopes. Other reasons: too many soft Euros; too many instigator penalties, helmets and eye shields, not enough old school. When overexpansion mortally wounded franchise feuds -- after all, the more times NHL teams play each other, the more they despise each other -- the sport's feistiness was sucked away like pus from an aching knee.

Problem was, we missed the pus. The NHL didn't get it, though. Add the ghastly trap and overpriced tickets, and it's no wonder fans trickled away. After the ruinous lockout that wiped out the 2004-05 season, hockey devolved into a niche sport, and that was that.

Or so I thought. Because, as it turns out, I really like hockey again. A boom of superskilled players helped, but not as much as the NHL's reembracing its chippy DNA. Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke admitted as much to me when we shared a panel at MIT's Sloan Sports Analytics Conference recently. All he wants from any game, he said, is for his fans to see a few goals, a donnybrook or two and, hopefully, a win.

I wanted to hug him.

Burke always knew casual fans would return only for wide-open hockey and physical play. (I can vouch for this; I've never been to a game in which the excitement level didn't quadruple as soon as things got testy.) A few savvy rules changes opened up the ice, unleashing riveting talents -- Alex Ovechkin and Evgeni Malkin, among others -- who resonate more than they would have 20 years ago, thanks to YouTube. As for the physicality, little has changed other than the league's deciding that maybe it's not so bad. Fighting majors are up 11% from last season. It's true.

Know what else helped? Our country swung back toward the traits that make hockey hum. In the 1990s, we made great strides in the areas of racial equality, gender discrimination, gay rights, animal abuse, domestic violence, recycling, safe sex, drunken driving, name it. Americans grew more sophisticated and socially engaged. But we became undeniably uptight in the process. Something as innocent as a hockey fight suddenly became a bad example for the children. And no handshake line could undo the "damage."

Mercifully, we have swung the other way in the new millennium. The UFC made fighting profitable and acceptable. The Internet made it seem okay to attack anyone with words and hide behind the cloak of anonymity. Anyone could steal content -- songs, jokes, highlights -- and post it online, and everything was fine. Female celebs used sexuality to advance careers; soon teens were grinding on shows like Gossip Girl and nobody cared. Reality TV had no rules at all -- you couldn't do anything they wouldn't show.

Call it a lawlessness of sorts. I'm not defending it, just pointing it out. It's been great for hockey -- and terrible for basketball. The NBA suddenly seems like one of those late-1960s dads freaking out because his son has returned from college with long hair. "Wait, you can't shove him after the whistle like that! This game might get competitive! Flagrant-2!" Robbed of the ability to police one another, today's NBA players have no idea how to act when an opponent angers them. It's like watching two young siblings play -- wrestling unsuccessfully because Mom keeps screaming hysterically, "Careful! Careful! Careful!"

Can you play a fluid sport like basketball at its highest level without bodies banging, penetrating players getting clobbered and the occasional testiness? Of course you can't. The NBA pretends you can, though, putting the playoffs in the hands of (mostly incompetent) refs who overreact to each shove and stare. It drives me crazy.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the NBA could learn something from the NHL.

On the flip side you have hockey -- a sport in which players police the ice themselves and happily jump into the boards after scoring a goal. In hockey, it's okay to settle differences like men, and websites like hockeyfights.com thrive. It's always business, never personal. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the NBA could learn something from the NHL.

This was my favorite Bruins moment this season. Center Patrice Bergeron almost lost his career once to a concussion, and in April, Canadiens D Josh Gorges ran him from behind. That same bozo did it again in Game 2 of the first round of the playoffs. Bergeron had never fought in his career. Not once. This time he whirled, dropped his gloves and pounded the bozo like a veal chop. Bruins fans reacted like a crowd at one of Oprah's washer/dryer giveaways. Bergeron could have scored the game-winner and he wouldn't have gotten a bigger reaction.

We may as well have been watching the UFC. Is that a bad thing? You can't call hockey's resurgence a comeback, because it hasn't fundamentally changed. We changed. Twice. Hockey didn't fit 10 years ago; now it does. I love having the NHL back in my life, even if it means dealing with Jacobs the Skinflint again. The sport is breathtaking to watch. The players are more brilliant than ever; games look gorgeous in HD. And like old times, all scores are settled on the ice.

Well, except for the one with Walker. Maybe we didn't barbecue the jerk this time, but that's what is great about the NHL: We know we can get him next year. And we will. I'm counting on you, Looch.
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I'm tired of this.

Here's your fucking NHL players policing the game;

Belak Enforces Jansen for almost ending Kaberle's careeer

1. I'm tired of people insulting my intelligence. fighting in Hockey is a fucking show, a spectacle, a god damned shit show for blood thirsty idiotic fans. If they players want it, fine, keep it, and keep the game where it is, stagnant. But I'll be damned if another pea brained nit wit is gonna tell me that fighhting keeps dirty plays out of hockey, it's a fucking joke. Fighting justify's diorty plays.

2. Cam Jansen, goon, waste of roster space, almost kills Kaberle with a terrible and malicious late hit. For weeks in the Toronto media, the idiots call into the Fan590, Cherry talks it up on Coaches corner, payback is coming for Jansen, hockey in fighting will finally have it's day in the sun for it's true purpose, it's going to deter Cam from ever doing this again.

3. Game time, the air is tight with anticipation, the fans can smell blood. Belak and Jansen line up and the puck drops... with the mutual respect not offered to Thomas Kaberle just a few weeks earlier, Belak waits for JAnsen to remove his helmet and gloves, because thats the code. They battle, cam says no no no stripes, keep er going, they battle more. Exhausted they fall to the ice. Gladiators. Wade is a champ, he has let Cam Jansen know his disrespectful play will not go unpunished....by patting him on the back.."good tilt cammer", "you too Belak". Jansen shakes his fist in meathead triumph, goes to the box and has a good laugh. Belak soaks up the bloodthirsty cheers from a rabid ACC crowd. Justice has prevailed, fighting again, has saved the day.

Jansen missed 5 minutes and was back on the ice, having served his debt to the NHL hockey gods.

Tomas Kaberle watched the fight from the trainers room where he was still suffering lingering effects from the hit that side lined him for 8 games 20 days earlier. Just happy he wasn't out for good, like so many who have come before him.

February 24, 2009

Gimme a fucking break.


The Hockey fight debate is a fucking farce. Period.

Call it what it is, a fight. Call the support what it is, bloodlust. If the fans need it, nd players like it, keep it. But don't toss some bullshit at me about how it keeps the game safe from dirty plays. Fighting in Hockey makes room for dirty plays, it allows them to exist. Players need to ask themselves, am I tough eough to put this kid in head first...and guess whatm if the answer is no, that guy wouldn't be in the jersey he's in, so it's ALWAYS yes.

It's the worst kept secret, the silliest facade in all of pro sports. have some fucking guts and admit its there because people like to see people punch the shit out of each other. Wanna be a real MAN, admit that.

I'm done with the debate. I have it too often, and with some pretty good opposition. Not one person has been able to put an arguement out there I couldn't refute in about 30 seconds with pure logic.

A close friend of mine covers Hockey for a major CDN sports media center, he and I constantly go at it on this one. And ya wanna know what he thinks?

IT'S ALL ABOUT PUTTING ASSES IN SEATS AND SELLING ADVERTISING!

Stuff the Policing garbage in yer ass boys, it's pigshit!

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