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Old 12-15-2012, 12:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates (#3 in the world) and they don't have anywhere near the homicide rate that US has. almost every adult has a rifle and citizens form a militia since they have no standing army. This is/was the intention of the second amendment.
Let's ignore ranking for a moment: the US has twice the per capita gun ownership that Switzerland does. So sure, the US is 1st and Switzerland is 4th but the US is 1st by quite a bit.

Of course, the question is more complicated than either of us has indicated thus far.
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Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates (#3 in the world) and they don't have anywhere near the homicide rate that US has. almost every adult has a rifle and citizens form a militia since they have no standing army. This is/was the intention of the second amendment.

Switzerland is the size of NY city. To compare 8million to 300+million just doesn't make sense. You also have to look at what kind of guns are being sold in Switzerland, how strict is their screening process? What are their laws on assault weapons? Let's face it, in the US there are a lot more unstable people walking around with guns (obviously, with the population) than in Switzerland. I don't know the different laws in different countries when it comes to guns. Just qestions I'd have.

When you hear about the amount guns, specifically high powered weapons entering the US anually it's astounding. It's a country that is addicted to guns.

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Old 12-15-2012, 04:52 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Here's a bit that made the rounds on twitter

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

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The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it's not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel's landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Even the most basic framework of Japan's approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America's. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" and narrows it down from there. Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that "No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords," later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it. The history of that is complicated, but it's worth noting that U.S. gun law has its roots in resistance to British gun restrictions, whereas some academic literature links the Japanese law to the national campaign to forcibly disarm the samurai, which may partially explain why the 1958 mentions firearms and swords side-by-side.

Of course, Japan and the U.S. are separated by a number of cultural and historical difference much wider than their gun policies. Kopel explains that, for whatever reason, Japanese tend to be more tolerant of the broad search and seizure police powers necessary to enforce the ban. "Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police," he writes. But even the police did not carry firearms themselves until, in 1946, the American occupation authority ordered them to. Now, Japanese police receive more hours of training than their American counterparts, are forbidden from carrying off-duty, and invest hours in studying martial arts in part because they "are expected to use [firearms] in only the rarest of circumstances," according to Kopel.

The Japanese and American ways of thinking about crime, privacy, and police powers are so different -- and Japan is such a generally peaceful country -- that it's functionally impossible to fully isolate and compare the two gun control regiments. It's not much easier to balance the costs and benefits of Japan's unusual approach, which helps keep its murder rate at the second-lowest in the world, though at the cost of restrictions that Kopel calls a "police state," a worrying suggestion that it hands the government too much power over its citizens. After all, the U.S. constitution's second amendment is intended in part to maintain "the security of a free State" by ensuring that the government doesn't have a monopoly on force. Though it's worth considering another police state here: Tunisia, which had the lowest firearm ownership rate in the world (one gun per thousand citizens, compared to America's 890) when its people toppled a brutal, 24-year dictatorship and sparked the Arab Spring.
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folks going crazy down here, mad dash for guns in Oregon.

Gun stores seeing record setting days | kgw.com Portland
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:27 PM   #45 (permalink)
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folks going crazy down here, mad dash for guns in Oregon.

Gun stores seeing record setting days | kgw.com Portland
Yup, that's the right answer....more guns.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:56 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Here is an interesting story about all the facts the media got wrong in light of the shooting. Some of the comments on the article are...unbelievable.

As Shooting Story Unfolds, Media Struggle With Facts CBS Connecticut
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I try not to read comments any longer.
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I try not to read comments any longer.
It's kind of a sad state of affairs. It is so hard to read the comments on almost any single site anywhere because it destroys what little faith I have in humanity every time.
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those comments were some of the worst I've read in quite a while. the worst part of it was that 50 percent of them weren't "trolling" like they normally are. reading them made me cringe. ugh
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Wow. News sources inaccurately identified a different person who shared the same name as the shooter. His picture is all over the web. 20,000 posts of his picture. Poor guy.

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Opposing view: Eliminate 'gun-free zone' regulations

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In addition to the gunman, blood is on the hands of members of Congress and the Connecticut legislators who voted to ban guns from all schools in Connecticut (and most other states). They are the ones who made it illegal to defend oneself with a gun in a school when that is the only effective way of resisting a gunman.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:22 PM   #53 (permalink)
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well that was awkward, gun prices going up?
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So their answer to this is training and arming teachers with guns. What a fucked up country!
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Well said...


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So their answer to this is training and arming teachers with guns. What a fucked up country!
That's fucking sick and beyond stupid.
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They need to get a national strategy on gun control. At the same time, look at providing better mental health services/research. They have to take an holistic approach to the issue. Arming teachers with guns will cause more harm than good.
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its him, give him the chair!
Wow
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Sandy Hook shooting: Buyback program in Camden, New jersey collects record number of guns | Mail Online
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Anyone watching the NRA news conference? Wow!!


"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
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