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NDP 8 22.86%
Conservatives 7 20.00%
Green 7 20.00%
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:02 PM   #141 (permalink)
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They're all douchebags. Name me one that you can seriously trust more then the other. And if so, by how much?
ignatieff, simply because i know his foundation is liberal. i have much more fath in a liberal system than conservative. sure, he may not be trudeau-esque but who really is any more in recent time? and even if he is as untrustable as you say he has the ideologies of a party backing him up, this isn't any dictatorship where power is given solely to one individual.

also, by a lot
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:09 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Harmonized Sales Tax

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hst is provincial i believe so my guess is ontario's premier. definitely not harper.
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the harmony is between tax collectors at both levels.
so i guess the blame for this goes to both the liberals and conservatives right?
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:11 PM   #143 (permalink)
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so i guess the blame for this goes to both the liberals and conservatives right?
as i've said before, tax is not a bad thing. it helps society for the greater good. as long as you can trust your government to not pocket the money then tax is basically returned to you in terms of goods and services such as public transit, health care, etc.
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:22 PM   #144 (permalink)
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my biggest problem with the hst is that it subjects all things that were formerly pst exempt to the rules of the gst/hst. as an example, transportation companies for those with disabilities (not talking about wheel trans, but about private transportation companies) used to be just subject to gst, but are now subject to the full value of the hst. most of the people that purchase these services are on fixed budgets, and very often make those payments from their odsp (ontario disability support program). adding an additional 8% without increasing the odsp correspondingly, or without subsidizing that increase some other way, has had an incredible impact on the ability of people to pay for a vital service. essentially the gov't is paying out odsp and taking that same money back in tax.

the problem is with understanding the broader implications of a tax change, not necessarily with the right or wrong-ness of that tax change.

in my view, it doesn't matter who is to blame. what matters is who has a plan to do something about it.
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:29 PM   #145 (permalink)
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as i've said before, tax is not a bad thing. it helps society for the greater good. as long as you can trust your government to not pocket the money then tax is basically returned to you in terms of goods and services such as public transit, health care, etc.
im not saying tax is a bad thing when its used for the right things cause i honestly have no idea what my taxes are contributing to
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:36 PM   #146 (permalink)
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apparantly the NDP and Liberals are tied.. how the hell did that happen? don't canadians learn from their past mistakes? it's a shame. see it here:Canada election poll shows tight battle for second - Yahoo! News
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apparantly the NDP and Liberals are tied.. how the hell did that happen? don't canadians learn from their past mistakes? it's a shame. see it here:Canada election poll shows tight battle for second - Yahoo! News
i heard both these parties would merge together
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i heard both these parties would merge together
there was a slight talking about a merger similar to the conservatives a couple years back but i doubt it will ever happen. they're ideologies arent similar enough to be able to. now if you're talking about a coaltition it could very well happen, but im pretty sure by the end of this election it will once again depend on the bloc as well.
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:20 AM   #149 (permalink)
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I hope Liberals will decriminalize marijuana. That's all I care.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:14 AM   #150 (permalink)
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:58 AM   #151 (permalink)
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I haven't voted since Gerard Kennedy played king maker to Dion. Kennedy set (the liberal side of) this country back a good 8 years. I have been partyless ever since. If it wasen't for him we maybe beyond iggy right now and have some real leadership for the reds, instead of just soft targets.
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I haven't voted since Gerard Kennedy played king maker to Dion. Kennedy set (the liberal side of) this country back a good 8 years. I have been partyless ever since. If it wasen't for him we maybe beyond iggy right now and have some real leadership for the reds, instead of just soft targets.
i didnt understand that. who is kennedy and what did he do?
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that shalt never be legal
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never? yeah right.
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:11 PM   #155 (permalink)
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i didnt understand that. who is kennedy and what did he do?
When you are in a leadership race within your own party at a leadership convention, you can use your votes towards another candidate when you withdraw from the race. Which Gerard did, surprising everyone giving Dion the liberal leadership. Going against the parties wishes and vision, fracturing the party. Kennedy basically jumped the gun thinking Dion would give him a high profile minister position in return for him giving him the PM via liberal leadership.
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When you are in a leadership race within your own party at a leadership convention, you can use your votes towards another candidate when you withdraw from the race. Which Gerard did, surprising everyone giving Dion the liberal leadership. Going against the parties wishes and vision, fracturing the party. Kennedy basically jumped the gun thinking Dion would give him a high profile minister position in return for him giving him the PM via liberal leadership.
who was a better candidate at the time in your opinion? was Bob Ray running for a spot back then or no?
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in canada, yeah, never
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it will at some point. why would you say never.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:50 PM   #159 (permalink)
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who was a better candidate at the time in your opinion? was Bob Ray running for a spot back then or no?
yep. There was a bunch of not-good-enough-for-prime-time candidates. Still is. Dion was one of the few that actually had a sense of vision. But he couldn't lead, and so he couldn't infuse the party with that vision. And so the liberals remain as irrelevant as any other party, and just like the PC's before them, and the Conservatives and PQ within the next decade, they will crumble, and fade away. Really - watching these parties try to survive when all they can do is hand out money without a sense of guiding purpose - that is going to be an ugly thing to see. It's already been a ridiculous exercise ever since they kept themselves busy by coming up with Meech and especially the Charlottetown accord, and we all saw nothing but tales told by idiots that signify nothing.
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who was a better candidate at the time in your opinion? was Bob Ray running for a spot back then or no?
Either Bob Ray or Iggy would have been better choices, just in terms of keeping the party in tow. Dion marginalized large segments of liberals (both voters and mps) by pushing overly progressive environmental policies, and coming off as timid cross between a French Mr. Bean and blanket clutching bed wetter.
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