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NDP 8 22.86%
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Old 04-17-2011, 03:24 AM   #121 (permalink)
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No controls whatsoever? I think numerous tests that show no signs of any problems is significant. And my dog was not cured. She did not have any need of a cure. She needed to have a physical injury that led to other problems corrected. Note the process. Everything else was ruled out. As with my wife's pain. Nobody went running to alternative medicine looking for a solution before seeking extensive testing and medical opinions. And the doctors and vet advised us to go ahead with chiropractic treatment. If these things represent hating science, then I'm very confused.



I think you help me make the point I intended to make here. There are limits to the ability of science to make the decisions that govern us. Certainly science informs, but there are value judgments that need to be made. One value judgment concerning nuclear energy is that it opens us up to enormous problems for future generations, thus making it an open and shut case for some people. I don't take that extreme position myself, but I find it troubling that such a position can not be taken without being accused of "hating science". And I do think that if not science itself, that some body of decision-making abilities needs to be able to limit scientific progress going forward. Not all science has been beneficial. And the powers that it might be able to unleash in the future could prove fatal to life on this planet within my lifetime. Putting all my faith in the ability of science to inform me of the problems that science has caused, when it might be too late, doesn't exactly warm my heart. There has to be some room for some attempt at forethought without being chastised.
LX i understand where you are coming from and it's also where the majority of the people's ideas comes from. however, we have to take into account a couple of things.

1) nuclear energy is the most efficient source of energy available today. (fact).
2) you pointed out that nuclear energy could prove fatal to the health of the global community. fact as well, however we do have to take into consideration where previous nuclear disastors have occured. chernobyl, ukraine. long island, u.s. Japan. 2/3 cases above happened due to mis-caring about the dangers of nuclear power. chernobyl was a downright embaresment to the world, and japan did not have all the safety precautions it needed considering its geographic location. the darlington and pickering plants in canada have 12 sources of containment and fixture if something were to go wrong. so the argument shouldn't be to ban nuclear power plant completely but rather who to let use this power because it is not something to take lightly

3) yes nuclear power may have a negative effect on peoples lives in our lifetime however you must reallize that w/o it, to meet our consumer needs of electricity, we would have to go back to burning fossil fuels like in the 1960's. fossil fuels have a forseeable negative effect on the earth in the near future while nuclear provides predictions of disasters happening thus we are forced to make a decision until the science behind cleaner energies improves. since nuclear is a much "cleaner" power than the burning of fossil fuels, we will have to stick by it as our lifeline for now.
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Old 04-17-2011, 03:34 AM   #122 (permalink)
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ya i heard about that, made me realize what kind of government were dealing with. just dont understand why people are even voting for them
a) harper's main support comes from the west, a.k.a the oil sands due to the lower taxes and the lower focus on "clean" future by his party.

b) harper is a good showman so he is able to wip off any accusations of his(some true and some not) brilliantly, thus fooling even some of the leftists into believing he is the next massiah.

C) liberal support is very low, due to the insignificant sponsership scandal a couple years back and their proposed higher taxes. the reason why people still care about the sponsorship scandal goes back to point b, harper is an excellent showman who does not let the people forget. also people do not see why the higher taxes would be proposed but i for one do. the greater the taxes, the better the social economy. our health care system is in the gutter right now(not federal i know) and one way to fix it is with an injection of money, through taxes, as electrical equipment and modern health related technologies are becoming very expensive. also, liberal leadership has been very weak since the departure of cretien(i think thats how you spell it?) and thus they have not been able to pin harper to all of the conservative scandals, i.e g20 and g8 summits, propsed jet costs(something around 50 billion??) and much more.

D) the NDP party has split the vote in the left part as people have left liberal support. some chose to support the tories while some chose the NDP. they don't have enough support to win the election, but they have just enough to prevent the liberals from winning, leaving the conservatives to rule. and if this election goes as some predict(harper majority) i predict Canada will not vote conservative for the next 30 years after his four year oppresive rule
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:43 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Old 04-19-2011, 03:50 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:55 AM   #125 (permalink)
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typically i am not much of a jeffrey simpson fan. this, though, needs to be read. layton is doing everything he can to make sure it's a long time before i vote ndp again

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The most irresponsible promise of the election campaign thus far belongs to Jack Layton.

During the French-language debate, searching for nationalist/secessionist voters who lean toward the Bloc Québécois, the NDP Leader pledged to try to reopen the constitutional debate. He would seek to “create winning conditions,” he said, to let Quebec enter the Canadian Confederation.
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This promise was reckless and dangerous at every level. First, Quebec is legally part of the Canadian Confederation. Second, by using the phrase “winning conditions,” he’s borrowing a loaded expression from the Parti Québécois, whose leaders always vow to create “winning conditions” for secession.

Third, every responsible Canadian leader must know that, after the traumas of patriation, Meech Lake and the Charlottetown accord, the Constitution is the most divisive issue in Canada. To suggest reopening it, without the slightest idea of how to proceed, what to discuss or even a plausible reason why, represents the depth of political irresponsibility.
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:12 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Who to vote for. Not a good candidate in the bunch. Poor!
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:23 AM   #127 (permalink)
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I was originally gonna wait till May 2nd to vote, but felt convicted to take advantage of the advanced polling station that was open near my house here juss a few hrs ago.

I've spent quality time thinking about whom I should vote for, and decided again to vote Conservative. I think the criticism's against Harper don't have nearly as much substance as the criticisms vs. those who want his job. And I think its very impressive how Canada has fared since the 2008 economic collapse under Harper's leadership and our country's continued upward trend from it; especially in contrast w/what I've seen for myself and my brother has reported of how fucked over many parts of the States are, all stemming from the collapse.
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Old 04-23-2011, 02:44 AM   #128 (permalink)
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I was originally gonna wait till May 2nd to vote, but felt convicted to take advantage of the advanced polling station that was open near my house here juss a few hrs ago.

I've spent quality time thinking about whom I should vote for, and decided again to vote Conservative. I think the criticism's against Harper don't have nearly as much substance as the criticisms vs. those who want his job. And I think its very impressive how Canada has fared since the 2008 economic collapse under Harper's leadership and our country's continued upward trend from it; especially in contrast w/what I've seen for myself and my brother has reported of how fucked over many parts of the States are, all stemming from the collapse.
the economic wellness of this country i place on the structure of our banks, not squarely on harper's shoulders. You also should look at other things harper has done during his reign. billions spent or rather wasted on the g20 summit where the rights of hundreds were violated based on his orders. billions amounting to possibly hunfreds of billions promised to fighter jets, yeah thats good for the economy right? where would we be without our fighter jets? also, under harper's rule Canada has been kicked out of the U.N security council, the first time in canadian history, as well his continual support of the tar sands has led to great contreversy about canada's dedication to a greener tomorrow. i see many more failures than accomplishments in his tenure and the only reason more of the public doesn't see it is because he distracts the public consistantly with his smear ads such as "ignatieff not in it for canada" or "ignatieff too "posh" to understand the public and the publics needs" or better yet, a pidgeon $hiting on dion's shoulder. yes, politician indeed. a.k.a scam artist. a superb one at that too.
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Old 04-23-2011, 09:26 AM   #129 (permalink)
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the economic wellness of this country i place on the structure of our banks, not squarely on harper's shoulders. You also should look at other things harper has done during his reign. billions spent or rather wasted on the g20 summit where the rights of hundreds were violated based on his orders. billions amounting to possibly hunfreds of billions promised to fighter jets, yeah thats good for the economy right? where would we be without our fighter jets? also, under harper's rule Canada has been kicked out of the U.N security council, the first time in canadian history, as well his continual support of the tar sands has led to great contreversy about canada's dedication to a greener tomorrow. i see many more failures than accomplishments in his tenure and the only reason more of the public doesn't see it is because he distracts the public consistantly with his smear ads such as "ignatieff not in it for canada" or "ignatieff too "posh" to understand the public and the publics needs" or better yet, a pidgeon $hiting on dion's shoulder. yes, politician indeed. a.k.a scam artist. a superb one at that too.
is he also responsible for this thing we call hst?
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:27 AM   #130 (permalink)
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is he also responsible for this thing we call hst?
No. Not even close.
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No. Not even close.
who's responsible then?
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who's responsible then?
hst is provincial i believe so my guess is ontario's premier. definitely not harper.
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:15 PM   #133 (permalink)
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who's responsible then?
Harmonized Sales Tax

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In 1996, three Atlantic provinces — New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Nova Scotia — worked with the federal government to implement a Harmonized Sales Tax and lower the sales tax portion to eight percent. The result was a 15% combined tax when the federal rate of seven percent was added. The new tax went into effect on April 1, 1997
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The HST was introduced on July 1, 2010 in the provinces of Ontario and British Columbia. Polls show that 82% of British Columbians and 74% of Ontarians opposed it[18] before it was implemented.
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In British Columbia, the GST was previously applied on gasoline and diesel fuel which will no longer be taxed under the Harmonized Sales Tax,[2] whereas in Ontario the HST will increase tax on gasoline and diesel from 5% to 13%.
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In his 2008 budget address, Stephen Harper called the HST "the single most important step provinces with retail sales taxes could take to improve the competitiveness of Canadian businesses."
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Old 04-23-2011, 04:46 PM   #134 (permalink)
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hst is provincial i believe so my guess is ontario's premier. definitely not harper.
the harmony is between tax collectors at both levels.
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the harmony is between tax collectors at both levels.
ok but nonetheless the blame isn't squarely on harper's shoulders. should there even be blame? tax is good for society, better quality of life. people imagine tax money as just disappearing when really it helps clean up crap like the ttc
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:04 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Just voted Conservative. Although I'm sure we're going to get a Liberal winner here.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:18 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Just voted Conservative. Although I'm sure we're going to get a Liberal winner here.
where?
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its sad to see that the loss of support for the liberals in ontario. its a sad decade when the conservatives reign over canada.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:42 PM   #139 (permalink)
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its sad to see that the loss of support for the liberals in ontario. its a sad decade when the conservatives reign over canada.
They're all douchebags. Name me one that you can seriously trust more then the other. And if so, by how much?
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Old 04-23-2011, 09:20 PM   #140 (permalink)
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where?
North Etobicoke. There hasn't been a conservative MP since the 1980s though.
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