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NDP 8 22.86%
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:44 AM   #21 (permalink)
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When was the last politician in this country that you listened to that got you thinking he was clearly ahead of every other candidate, a standout? Wether it be his vision, policies, personality....anything?
can't think of anyone
and this is why i constantly repeat the immortal words of Pete Townsend when it comes to Canadian politics (and politicians in general)

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Old 04-01-2011, 12:01 PM   #23 (permalink)
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can't think of anyone
and this is why i constantly repeat the immortal words of Pete Townsend when it comes to Canadian politics (and politicians in general)

meet the new boss...same as the old boss
that's simply not true.

chretien and harper were definitely guys that were separated from the pack, to name 2 recent examples. the former had massive support accross the country for a huge length of time (and was deeply involved in significant constitutional change) and the latter united the right and forged a new direction for the government and for the country.

you could also make a solid case for mulroney who governed for 9 years and had quite a few historic nation-definig moments under his tenure (meech lake, charlottetown, nep, epa, nafta), and trudeau was definitely one. that's 3 or 4 of the last 7 pm's, a list that includes the short-lived campbell and turner regimes.

paul martin was vision-less. as was campbell, but she hardly counts. you can go back to the early 80's and find almost all pm's had great vision and changed the course of the nation.
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if there is significant change, then the electorate has spoken and it was important. if not, and if we just end up in the same place afterwards it sends all sorts of important messages -

-that the conservative momentum is still not enough to govern (likely ending the leadership of stephen harper)
-that the electorate has still not forgotten the excesses of the last liberal regime
-that we have a fundamental urban-rural split that must be mended for the country to really move forward
-that our electoral system needs to be changed
-that certain kinds of crises are not important to the public
-that the leadership of all parties needs to change to make any real progress
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great post trane. And I like this list. But I don't expect any of the stuff in it to resonate all that much, other than the possibility of recognizing that not just certain kinds of crises, but just about anything in Ottawa fails to resonate with people.

Now until all the other stuff on that list gets dealt with properly, I think a lot of people see everyone involved as hanging on to something of an empty shell of what the federal government once was. Without a clear new direction and a whole new set of rules and processes, or at least some movement towards such things, it just looks like everything will continue to rest upon a fairly meaningless (if we're lucky) figurehead that operates out of the PMO and negates our voice in any case.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:09 PM   #25 (permalink)
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didnt harper change it from the government of canada to the harper government? anyways i dont think any of the groups listed in the poll are any good. I vote rhino because therye the least ridiculous
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Is there still a Natural Law party?

I googled it - they were de-registered in '03. Too bad.
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Never heard of that so i don't think so.
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Never heard of that so i don't think so.
They still exist in the states I think. They promised to fix any problem by teaching large numbers of people yogic flying. Doug Henning was the leader here in Canada if I'm not mistaken. He was definitely involved.
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You might find the current federal election campaign underwhelming.

You are right.

This is particularly true if you live in the majority of this country in the West outside Vancouver and Winnipeg, or in Toronto, rural Quebec or English Montreal, or those seats held by a long-time and popular incumbent.

Oh sure. Signs are up. You might get a leaflet on your door. On election day, people will pester you to vote.

But the full force of the election isn’t aimed at you. Your vote is already taken for granted and your MP notionally placed in the “elected” column. You know who I’m talking about. The one that won last time and is going to win again.

Basically, most of us live in the electoral equivalent of Utah.

Allow me to explain.

In U.S presidential elections, campaigns worry about winning states rather than total votes. So states that are strongly Democrat or Republican are ignored, and “battlefield” states, particularly large ones with a lot of Electoral College votes, are bombarded with ads and events.
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The 2011 Canadian election is being fought by the Conservatives in almost exactly the same manner.

They are focused like a laser on the 20 or so seats held by the opposition that can put them over the top for a majority. The rest of the country is basically meaningless for them.

The Conservatives have a pseudo-campaign that is there as a placeholder for the rest of the country. Stephen Harper takes a couple of questions from the national gallery and puts out a message about “the coalition.” That is all designed to hold the base in place for the Conservative incumbents and get the supporters out to vote on election day.


Then he goes back to an event aimed at the South Asian community in Mississauga.

Basically, there is only the semblance of a national election campaign from the Conservatives. There is a tightly controlled, no-mistakes, low-risk tour, and ads designed to goose turnout and rile up existing Conservative voters.

But if you live in Vancouver South or Brampton West or Welland, it probably feels like someone is driving up and down your street with a bullhorn.

You are getting direct-mail pieces on issues of core interest to you. If you are a senior, on increasing the Guaranteed Income Supplement. If you are a parent, on the arts-and-crafts tax credit and RESP sharing. If you are a one-income family, on income-splitting.

You are getting robo-dialers leaving messages in your voice mail.You are receiving letters from community leaders in your cradle tongue.

And that’s every day.

At the same time, there is a constant attempt by the Conservatives to weaken turnout among Liberals.

The “boring campaign” strategy is a part of this. Conservative voters skew older and wealthier, and are more likely to vote. Liberal voters are younger and poorer in these ridings, and more likely to forget about the election if they aren’t engaged.

However, the big thrust is the move to overcome the natural incumbency advantage by linking the vote to the national leader, Michael Ignatieff, and not to the local candidate. Incumbent MPs are tricky to defeat, as they have name recognition and an expectation that they can do the job.
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By running ads (and more importantly, in riding messages) that emphasize the perceived weaknesses of the Liberal Leader, the Tories are working to de-motivate Liberal voters and get them to stay home. “Just Visiting” isn’t about making swing voters cast a ballot for their local Conservative. They are about making Liberal supporters stay home, and lower the number of votes a Conservative needs to win the riding.

If you live in a battlefield riding, you probably know it. And if you don’t, you will before May 2.
Tory strategy ensures there is no national election - The Globe and Mail
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yep - the Americanization of the conservative party is striking, and sad. Bringing big money into the equation will be the next step.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:02 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Tons of PC signs in my neighbourhood.

Makes me want to go out late at night and poop on their lawns.
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Tons of PC signs in my neighbourhood.

Makes me want to go out late at night and poop on their lawns.


i just moved to the york-mills/bayview area and their are a lot of conservative signs up. anyone know who usually wins this riding?
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Imagine a more civil style of election campaign - one that focused on issues rather than insults and vision rather than vitriol.

A group of Canadians, which calls itself Civil Elections, wants candidates for federal office to commit to making themselves available for all public debates, to refusing to make personal attacks on their opponents, and to advocating for a respectful and substantive exchange of ideas.

They are lofty goals, and perhaps unrealistic given that by mid-afternoon Saturday just one candidate had signed a commitment. Liberal Gerrard Kennedy the incumbent in High Parkdale-High Park in Toronto, was the lone signator.
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“I am sincerely most interested in creating a climate of greater civility in our politics,” said Mr. Holcroft. “The challenges our country and our world face are too important to not be having serious, respectful discussions (and) that includes as many Canadians and viewpoints as possible”

The movement was inspired, said Mr. Holcroft, by the general malaise of our politics.

“With more and more Canadians tuning out, serious policy discussions are being left to hyper partisans and the debate is angrier and less substantive,” he said. “We can do better.”
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I live in a "battlefield riding" and see a lot of blue right now. Harper was in town a couple of days ago.
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too be honest, i could care less about someone who is exciting, has personality etc etc
i want someone who has a clear cut vision as to how this country should move forward over the next 20 or so years
imho, not one of these 'cookie-cutter" politicians has anything different to offer
here's an article from john ibbitson describing how significantly different the liberal and conservative platforms are, given the long term vision surrounding the deficit, the military and spending programs.

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In 94 pages, Michael Ignatieff has unveiled a new Liberal Red Book that asks Canadians to fundamentally reject not only Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, but everything they’ve stood for. Over the remaining four weeks of this election campaign, the Liberal Leader will stake his political future on trying to convince you.

Whether he succeeds depends on whether you believe that Canada should return to its Trudeauesque past of increased social spending paid for by higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy, or continue the Conservative emphasis on keeping taxes low while balancing the books.

The choice couldn’t be simpler, or more stark.
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The competing Liberal and Conservative visions hinge on fundamentally conflicting assumptions: The Liberal platform assumes that Canada has confidently recovered from the past recession, making it a safe risk to ask business to pay more to help working and middle-class families.

The Conservatives envision an economy emerging uncertainly from the Great Downturn in a world that is still filled with turmoil and risk, making sound books the first concern.
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But while the two parties’ policies sometimes overlap – they’re both very keen to help volunteer firefighters – the underlying philosophies couldn’t be farther apart.

Look at it like this: The Liberal platform proposes spending $80-million over four years to encourage farmers’ markets that sell locally grown food.

What do you think of that?
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many people argue that the conservatives are better for the economy than the liberals. however i do recall that the liberals had a 14 billion dollar surplus for canada one year while the conservatives have slowly turned that surplus to defecit. now can someone please explain to me, with this tidbit of info kept in mind, how the conservatives are better for the economy than the liberals??
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many people argue that the conservatives are better for the economy than the liberals. however i do recall that the liberals had a 14 billion dollar surplus for canada one year while the conservatives have slowly turned that surplus to defecit. now can someone please explain to me, with this tidbit of info kept in mind, how the conservatives are better for the economy than the liberals??
The conservatives very quickly turned the surplus into a deficit. My biggest concern is whether too much power gets handed over to the banks, with mergers being allowed. Both parties have appeared to be amenable to allowing that if they have a majority. And that could be disastrous.
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The conservatives very quickly turned the surplus into a deficit. My biggest concern is whether too much power gets handed over to the banks, with mergers being allowed. Both parties have appeared to be amenable to allowing that if they have a majority. And that could be disastrous.
i've never understood mergers well. can you give me an overall summary on what they are?
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